It's only really an issue if you accept the insane idea they kill them all every month or recklessly waste their lives for no benefit. 1 D-class could participate in dozens of tests in the span of a month.
Can't think you'd need death row inmates for testing Safe or Euclid objects either.
Just because it's Safe or Euclid doesn't mean it won't horrifically kill you. To be able to tell if something is Safe, you may have to do some trial and error first that could cause someone to get hurt real bad.
A lot of the really heavy handed procedures and provisions by the Foundation were created way back when SCP was a small community and no one thought it would one day have almost ten thousand objects, half of which are fucking alien superweapons, incurable diseases, world ending disasters and shit like that which would require unfathomable resources to just contain, let alone hide from the civilian world. There are so many crazy world enders you honestly just have to treat the majority of articles as mostly self-contained and not part of the general canon, otherwise nothing in the universe will ever make any sense.
Just because it's Safe or Euclid doesn't mean it won't horrifically kill you. To be able to tell if something is Safe, you may have to do some trial and error first that could cause someone to get hurt real bad.
I meant more that the risk of death isn't normally anywhere near as high due to easier containment, so you can use other types of D-class personnel without the same kind of ethical issues as more dangerous ones. It'd be pretty atrocious using homeless people or refugees to re-contain 106 or 682 for example.
A lot of the really heavy handed procedures and provisions by the Foundation were created way back when SCP was a small community and no one thought it would one day have almost ten thousand objects, half of which are fucking alien superweapons, incurable diseases, world ending disasters and shit like that which would require unfathomable resources to just contain, let alone hide from the civilian world. There are so many crazy world enders you honestly just have to treat the majority of articles as mostly self-contained and not part of the general canon, otherwise nothing in the universe will ever make any sense.
With the whole D-class issue, my main headcanon depending on how high tech or outright magical the specific continuity is, is probably a mixture of cloning and memory wiping/amnestics. The thing about all D-class being killed at the end of the month is just a cover story to prevent the staff from getting too attached to them, though then again if they're all clones then perhaps they are killed.
I meant more that the risk of death isn't normally anywhere near as high due to easier containment, so you can use other types of D-class personnel without the same kind of ethical issues as more dangerous ones. It'd be pretty atrocious using homeless people or refugees to re-contain 106 or 682 for example.
I don't think there is a difference between how different D classes are treated, is there? That's why "demotion to D-class" felt like an impactful punishment the first few times it was used, before it lost its shine and became a joke. You could be a renowned doctor and one bad fuckup later you're Keter fodder on death row.
I don't think there is a difference between how different D classes are treated, is there? That's why "demotion to D-class" felt like an impactful punishment the first few times it was used, before it lost its shine and became a joke. You could be a renowned doctor and one bad fuckup later you're Keter fodder on death row.
There isn't a difference I'm aware of, but that issue came up because of the need for a lot of D-class personnel. If they can't recruit who they need from prisons, they'll draw from displaced/transient populations.
Overall it's more that they'll prioritize the worst criminals for the most dangerous and sacrificial tasks. Saying the Foundation performs monthly involuntary euthanasia on refugees and the homeless may be exceptionally based from certain people's perspectives but it's definitely not consistent with their mission.
True, but, besides the fact those were the early days were SCP was finding its footing, I would argue that there is a difference between "this anomolous thing can be good thing in the right hands, but the horror lies in the implications and/or what would happen if bad people used it" to "this gives you exactly what you want in real life, as a wishfulfillment fantasy, with no, real, drawbacks whatsoever."
For example SCP-2000 is beneficial. But the horror lies on what could have caused, or will cause a need for
humanity to die and in need of being replaced by clones. The implications are chilling.
The panacea one brings stress because the catch to it is that you only have 47 of it, and you know it won't be enough for a universe as messed up as this one to make any meaningful difference, (not to mention that you will need to be picky choosing who lives and who dies). The fountain of Youth is beneficial, but the horror lies in that foundation has to forego any benefits or society would collapse. And so on.
There is a difference between "beneficial with caveats" and "self insert wish fulfillment"
Yes. They would also be right at home at Fanfiction.net.
Well it's also not exactly realistic to have a world with anomalies that break the laws of physics and somehow have each and every one be harmful to humans. Mostly because there is zero chance of the Foundation containing all of that shit with only non anomalous technology.
If you wish that a certain SCP was real then it failed as an SCP. This is supposed to be a horror universe. I used to read the old SCPs that were genuinely scary. SCP-2935 shook me to the core.
If you write a feel good story then you failed as horror writer. Wish fulfillment is the last thing you want in the horror genre. May I suggest them to write for A03 instead?
the SCP universe is quite retarded
how does a UN organization enter a country's territory without leading to diplomatic fallout or military retaliation? does every single country approve of what the Foundation is doing? how does it move objects across international borders and oceans undetected by civilians? how does it recruit hundreds of death-row inmates undetected by civilians? how does it prevent whistleblowing? how do amnestics work? how does it prevent journalists or other civilians from talking about their activities? does it just tell ISPs to take those sites offline and control every media outlet? how does it do either of those things without looking suspicious?
the answer is magic
Well considering that this organization is the only thing between Earth and eldritch horrors that would end all humanity, I'm pretty sure the governments would be a lot more loyal to the idea of letting them off the hook sometimes. Also as for the death row inmate thing my head canon is either that the public number or death row inmate is only the ones that were rejected as D class or the more horror like one that they just snatch civilians in places like India or China where there is a shitton of people and nobody notices. Different canons do this differently. Regarding the amnestics there is a guide to different types of them on the wiki but pretty sure they are mostly produced from the secretions made by a giant eel that may or may not be an Indian god that resides in the Bay of Bengal, it produces amnestics when fed people. It's also somewhat related to the pattern screamers and the bottom of the narrative ladder but only powerscaler autists care about that. And pretty sure governments have built in clearances for SCP workers that allow them to delete any website because of the aforementioned eldritch horror situation. And yeah there literally is magic in the SCPverse, but it's called thaumaturgy and used mostly by the GOC not the Foundation.
It's only really an issue if you accept the insane idea they kill them all every month or recklessly waste their lives for no benefit. 1 D-class could participate in dozens of tests in the span of a month.
Can't think you'd need death row inmates for testing Safe or Euclid objects either.
Monthly termination is very stupid and in my head canon it's an old wives tale spread by D Class among themselves. Because even without it the Foundation would have a lot of trouble getting enough D Class.
It's literally as explained as possible, pretty sure the majority of anomalies are either caused by supreme divine entities, thaumaturgy, or ontokinetics.
Well it's also not exactly realistic to have a world with anomalies that break the laws of physics and somehow have each and every one be harmful to humans. Mostly because there is zero chance of the Foundation containing all of that shit with only non anomalous technology.
There is nothing realistic about the SCP foundation. But to give some context to my earlier statement. I am criticizing specifically the newest Scps that are being written as wishfulfillment fantasies. I agree that the "beneficial" ones like SCP 500 are perfectly fine and that a good SCP doesn't need to be horror.
But going too far to the other side does break the general theme of the site.
There is nothing realistic about the SCP foundation. But to give some context to my earlier statement. I am criticizing specifically the newest Scps that are being written as wishfulfillment fantasies. I agree that the "beneficial" ones like SCP 500 are perfectly fine and that a good SCP doesn't need to be horror.
But going too far to the other side does break the general theme of the site.
Well by realistic I meant not like literally realistic but like so that it doesn't feel like a Deus ex machina plot contrivance. But some of the best scps aren't horror imo like for example SCP-1134-JP. But maybe I'm a bit biased with that one considering I'm a huge sushi nerd. But there's other scps that are just weird not scary and feel like they mesh with the theme of the site.
A lot of the really heavy handed procedures and provisions by the Foundation were created way back when SCP was a small community and no one thought it would one day have almost ten thousand objects, half of which are fucking alien superweapons, incurable diseases, world ending disasters and shit like that which would require unfathomable resources to just contain, let alone hide from the civilian world. There are so many crazy world enders you honestly just have to treat the majority of articles as mostly self-contained and not part of the general canon, otherwise nothing in the universe will ever make any sense.
There are so many SCPs, some that span very wide areas, if feels like no matter where you lived you'd be able to throw a rock in any direction and hit an anomaly. Which raises the question, if there's thousands and thousands of these things, are they really anomalies anymore? Seems like they're just a part of nature at this point.
Well considering that this organization is the only thing between Earth and eldritch horrors that would end all humanity, I'm pretty sure the governments would be a lot more loyal to the idea of letting them off the hook sometimes. Regarding the amnestics there is a guide to different types of them on the wiki but pretty sure they are mostly produced from the secretions made by a giant eel that may or may not be an Indian god that resides in the Bay of Bengal, it produces amnestics when fed people. It's also somewhat related to the pattern screamers and the bottom of the narrative ladder but only powerscaler autists care about that. And pretty sure governments have built in clearances for SCP workers that allow them to delete any website because of the aforementioned eldritch horror situation. And yeah there literally is magic in the SCPverse, but it's called thaumaturgy and used mostly by the GOC not the Foundation.
It's literally as explained as possible, pretty sure the majority of anomalies are either caused by supreme divine entities, thaumaturgy, or ontokinetics.
i'm fine with magic being the basis of amnestics and SCPs in general because it's a better explanation than "it just works, okay?" but why have this sci-fi pretense
just call them magical artifacts and creatures instead of anomalies
The wiki is meant to have a scientific theme and a clinical tone to the writing. The Foundation tries to find a scientific explanation for all anomalies it can, including magic itself. That's sort of the point of SCP as a whole.
i'm fine with magic being the basis of amnestics and SCPs in general because it's a better explanation than "it just works, okay?" but why have this sci-fi pretense
just call them magical artifacts and creatures instead of anomalies
The whole point of SCP ever since the first one was to dress these inherently terrifying and illogical beings in a rigorous scientific veneer to make them seem more logical.
Like for example it's not "The foundation has to do unspeakable things to a little girl every day to prevent an ancient god ending the world" it's "The Foundation has to perform Procedure 110-Montauk on SCP-231-7 in order to prevent an Apex-tier Pluripotent Entity from causing a K-Class scenario"
how does a UN organization enter a country's territory without leading to diplomatic fallout or military retaliation? does every single country approve of what the Foundation is doing?
Basically, there are other organizations like the GOC that some countries (I think) prefer more and I think the U.S. made their own smaller organization for anomalies. But from the way the setting is organized, the Foundation is essentially a "Shadow Government" that controls the world in some capacity, with unlimited funding from said countries.
Reminds me of that cargo ship capsized or something and a bunch of Chinese(?) immigrants poured out of it and no one cared. Honestly the most realistic response to the world being informed of anomalies would be an overwhelming "cool" or "can't be worse than my 9-5." Just...collective shrugging.
Never really explained in detail, sure you'll have some small explanations here and there but it's still largely "it just happens/works." It's also not even just death-row inmates either, some soon-to-be d-class are picked up despite their minor crimes, I'd imagine that's usually if they don't have many ties to many people (any person who does know him well enough is probably given Amnestics) such as the now labeled SCP-181. Really shows the Foundation as a more enigmatic gray than black or white.
A more competent version of Jamal Khashoggi's death I'd imagine. That or Amnestics, yeah they're pretty lazy and just assume you already know how they are dealt with. Besides, have you seen the credibility of journos these days? Most people will believe it's a hoax or something, just like real life whenever crazy shit goes down. There are still people denying factual events to this day that happened within their lifetime. All you need is the government to go "nuh uh" and most people will go "ok." Anyone else that doesn't would be labeled as conspiracy freaks and either assassinated, Amnestic'd, or otherwise silenced.
...that's pretty common in real life. How many times has this site gone down for example? Media being controlled by the government (in this case the shadow organization that is the Foundation) is happening right now in every country, even first world countries, and has been happening since the idea of "news" and "governments" existed in tandem. All that said though, like @WTBOnlineFather said, the amount of absolutely nuts shit that the Foundation has to contain (and sometimes can't made a rant about that a while ago) is what really suspends my disbelief that they're still hidden. Which is why I much prefer the SCPs that are in a "mask down" universe, where the Foundation revealed itself. Because I'm not sure how you can stay hidden when some of the crazier shit goes down.
"The foundation has to do unspeakable things to a little girl every day to prevent an ancient god ending the world" it's "The Foundation has to perform Procedure 110-Montauk on SCP-231-7 in order to prevent an Apex-tier Pluripotent Entity from causing a K-Class scenario"
Wait when the fuck did they explain it? I thought it was always supposed to be unexplained so you could have your own conception of it yourself, like you know fear of the unknown and shit. Honestly the way I see it is that rape is definitely involved as a part of it but there's definitely other things aside from it.
Basically, there are other organizations like the GOC that some countries (I think) prefer more and I think the U.S. made their own smaller organization for anomalies. But from the way the setting is organized, the Foundation is essentially a "Shadow Government" that controls the world in some capacity, with unlimited funding from said countries.
i think it would make more sense if the department of defense was funding a black-budget program to "protect the interests of the united states" by investigating magical artifacts in foreign countries and shipping them off so that they can be weaponized than whatever the foundation is
also, how come the foundation hasn't imploded from infighting? with an organization as big and powerful as the foundation, you'd think there'd be some internal politics or corruption, but apart from the chaos insurgency splitting off to become edgelords, no one has really tried to make money or gain power
the O5 council are just old men who want to be immortal or something
I'm not aware of anyone having explained it. Maybe Clef went on some damage control spree feeling bad about what he wrote, but the only edit to the actual article that I find is that in the original, the D classes assigned to 110-Montauk were to have a background as convicted sex offenders. This has been removed. I think that's a good change actually, it was a little on the nose and basically gave away that brutal rape is involved. Now there's no clear evidence of that being the case. You read through the article, your brain is screaming that this is a case of sanctioned, systematic, repeated rape, but there's nothing left unredacted to directly support your suspicion.
also, how come the foundation hasn't imploded from infighting? with an organization as big and powerful as the foundation, you'd think there'd be some internal politics or corruption
There are some articles where stuff like this happens. Rogue agents committing sabotage, O5s clashing and infighting, a site director mismanaging an entire site to the point of catastrophe (SCP-1730) and I'm sure there's more. I'd welcome more articles like that without the involvement of CI which is one of the gayest GoIs in the universe imo, but ah well.
I'm tempted to try to write another article myself but I'm a shit writer and I don't want to bother publishing on this gayass fucking website where "coldposting" gets you banned and tranny jannies have to vet your idea but a gay self insert blog gets 500 upvotes at launch, so there's probably no point.