Selecting a Despot for the Autism Thunderdome

[Absolutego]

The trouble with this is that not every poster has the ability or desire to separate their opinion from the article as published, and not every reader has the ability or desire to comprehend which part is article and which part is OP's opinion.

I know the janny you're referring to and I agree with their stance on doubleposting in almost all cases. However in the case of A&N, clear demarcation between a published article and an OP's opinion should take precedence over aesthetics. Allowing doubleposting only in A&N and only under the original post by the original poster would be a help rather than a hindrance.

I'm not familiar enough with any one janny's style to have been speaking about a particular person. I just know opinions vary on the doublepost topic


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But things like this work perfectly fine to differentiate the OP's own words from the article text unless someone's too poor a reader to pick up on it, and if they are, the rest of us get to make fun of them for either being too adhd to read the whole article instead of rapidly skimming it, or too retarded to recognize a line break.

 

[C.U.N.T.]

Make A&N read-only? It'd be a lot easier to moderate if you only had to approve OPs instead of all the posts in every thread. You'd still get the news article collating aspect which is the strength of A&N.

Make it opt in? If you want to post in A&N you need a True and Honest (or a new, Certified Sperg) badge? This could backfire and just get people going to other topics and shitting them up with A&N stuff though.

 

[JambledUpWords]

This guy is only not banned because he's an oldfag. Not that I'm advocating for banning him, you can't have enough clowns imo, but you're wrong.

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan is one of my favorite users. His responses are so predictable that they sound like AI created them. He’s like a beehive too, he won’t bother you if you don’t respond or tag him (I am tagging him though and am awaiting my insult).

 

[X Prime]

No idea who that is. Please @ people if you're talking about them if it's not too much trouble.

Pointless, they left before you were here and were very well-treated because they could make an actual post explaining themselves.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You do realize when you say this, you are accusing someone who has been around far longer of trying to "infiltrate" and change the website? I don't know why you would even insinuate this when it underlies how the dynamics are fundamentally opposite. Even 4chan was more ambivalent left-wing to moderate in the 00s and early 10s before the contrarian wave swallowed it whole.
Reddit, by contrast, was more right-wing before the populist elements and retarded management features subsumed it to a left-wing hell-scape (at least on the major, directly managed subreddits), but Reddit shouldn't be your goto example for the ideal social network, I think.

As a fellow shitty politisperg reactionary, we are the shitty immigrants making things worse on nearly every website. Step one is acknowledging that, and step two is figuring out how to integrate the aforementioned shitty immigrants harmoniously into society, and rehabilitating the people who are voluntarily moving into the shitty immigrant exclave (the forum equivalent of joining ISIS).
There has to be a way to convince ONE website, just one, that right-wing-ness is a Religion of Peace™ and righties can play nice for more than a month without declaring a Jihad or being a public nuisance. If that can't be done on this website of all websites, it is fucking impossible.

Using oldfag status is exactly how they do it, and you either don't know that or pretend not to. I've been on forums since the 90's, I know how this works.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I guess if I do get considered for anything, I should point out I’d mainly be available and active during the “overnight” time. Specifically overnight CST, though I’d still be around a bit in the afternoon and evenings as well.

 

[C.U.N.T.]

I don't think the site would ever become a tranny hugbox lmao. I agree banning politics would be unfortunate but if null decides to do it there won't be any point crying about it either

You'd think so, but Animal Control is already full of unironic furries.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Read Null's OP and then edit your comment accordingly.

I did read the OP. I'm giving my general opinion on the concept of moderating A&H and how it'd go over as well as how I think it should be moderated, dunno what problem in particular you have with my post.

 

[Pee Cola]

I'm not familiar enough with any one janny's style to have been speaking about a particular person. I just know opinions vary on the doublepost topic


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But things like this work perfectly fine to differentiate the OP's own words from the article text unless someone's too poor a reader to pick up on it, and if they are, the rest of us get to make fun of them for either being too adhd to read the whole article instead of rapid skimming it, or too retarded to recognize a line break.

I agree that separating a post in this manner makes it easier to distinguish which section is which. My own preference is the simple two dashes, but I realise it may not be all that clear to some folks.

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The doubleposting dispensation suggestion was my way of trying to make the process of separating an OP's article as originally published and the OP's personal opinion on the matter as idiot-resistant as possible. Ofc what happens there is that along comes a better idiot, but I digress.

There’s a difference between expressing a political opinion and just throwing insults and talking down to the other side. No one’s saying you can’t express yourselves, just don’t be overly aggressive edgelord or condescending fart-sniffers about it.

The phrase "play the ball, not the man" comes to mind.

Or at least take it to PMs or some Spergout Fight thread or something, yeah.

HK's Pastadome needs to make a full-on comeback.

 

[Absolutego]

Make A&N read-only? It'd be a lot easier to moderate if you only had to approve OPs instead of all the posts in every thread. You'd still get the news article collating aspect which is the strength of A&N.

Make it opt in? If you want to post in A&N you need a True and Honest (or a new, Certified Sperg) badge? This could backfire and just get people going to other topics and shitting them up with A&N stuff though.

Read only is a problem because it's doubtful this subforum would have 24/7 mod coverage and having OPs pend mod approval means breaking news threads have a chance to be delayed.
And making A&N a paid feature basically turns it into a right-wing version of SA's politics board.

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan is one of my favorite users. His responses are so predictable that they sound like AI created them. He’s like a beehive too, he won’t bother you if you don’t respond or tag him (I am tagging him though and am awaiting my insult).

It's why I'm wondering sometimes if the users who steer threads on tangents for 5+ pages to argue with him, when he responds like that, aren't just politically flipped chatbots themselves.
He's tried less and less to articulate a point since he came back to A&N a few years ago, and it's probably because he knows there's no reason to and it's funnier to see how low effort he can be and still get replies. I blame him witnessing @tuscangarder almost replace him as the chief A&N boogeyman a few summers ago.

 

[Penis Drager]

they could make an actual post explaining themselves.

That's the preferred way of doing things, yes. But often times the bad take clan doesn't really get the opportunity.
Reactive people exist where they are best explaining their views as arguments against their statement arise. But they don't get arguments a lot of the time, only insults. Try explaining to @Hollywood Hulk Hogan why you think vaccines are shit or whatever it is you think and he'll give a coherent answer to your statement. If you just fling shit at him he'll just fling it back.

 

[gildersleeve]

I'm just throwing this out here. But what about a time based post delay? A set amount of posts a day, followed by a cool down. It might force users to put thought into their comment or reply. And if they wish to continue there discussion with another user they can take it to there profiles. This might not solve it's community problem. But a volume of shitcock posts problem.

 

[Sithis]

Make A&N read-only? It'd be a lot easier to moderate if you only had to approve OPs instead of all the posts in every thread. You'd still get the news article collating aspect which is the strength of A&N.

What's the point then?
People around here would probably benefit by understanding that, to us who flock to A&H instead of sticking around watching for every flap of Ralph's gunt or trawling beauty parlor, the subjects of the news are our cows. They are our lolcows who we enjoy documenting and discussing. Yes there is an added element of fierce political spergery, but when that's kept contained to the thunderdome I honestly don't see how tracking and commenting on dumb shit various members of the squad/Congress/etc say is different than doing the same every time there's a new slapfight between cows. Hell, it may even be better because technically, public figures are required to deal with public scorn and can't just run to file harassment suits because people online called them fags, just so long as it's kept out of the bounds of fedposting. Post the wrong form of defamatory statement about a lolcow on here and Null ends up with legal headaches, call a random politician an alcoholic pedophilic faggot and nothing happens.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I'm not sure how that disproves my point but okay.

You said lefties have a target on them just for having lefty views, but uh, maybe it's their shit stirring behavior?

 

[X Prime]

That's the preferred way of doing things, yes. But often times the bad take clan doesn't really get the opportunity.
Reactive people exist where they are best explaining their views as arguments against their statement arise. But they don't get arguments a lot of the time, only insults. Try explaining to @Hollywood Hulk Hogan why you think vaccines are shit or whatever it is you think and he'll give a coherent answer to your statement. If you just fling shit at him he'll just fling it back.

Weird. Why are you pretending that people don't ultimately have the choice of how they respond regardless of hostility?

Further, it's interesting how you make this post as if you didn't respond to Ness earlier.

You are not very good at pretending to be reasonable.

 

[Spoonge]

As an A&H browser for several years here are my two cents.
I like it.
I like the HHH vs everyone else spergouts. I like the schizos. I like the slapfights. I like the 10 page derails and the screaming. I enjoy the thunderdome. But I'm not a mod so I don't know how this impacts the admin side of the site beyond fearless feeder's occasional post like this.

If it were up to me I wouldnt change a thing. I guess its a good thing its not up to me.

 

[Breadbassket]

What's the point then?
People around here would probably benefit by understanding that, to us who flock to A&H instead of sticking around watching for every flap of Ralph's gunt or trawling beauty parlor, the subjects of the news are our cows. They are our lolcows who we enjoy documenting and discussing. Yes there is an added element of fierce political spergery, but when that's kept contained to the thunderdome I honestly don't see how tracking and commenting on dumb shit various members of the squad/Congress/etc say is different than doing the same every time there's a new slapfight between cows. Hell, it may even be better because technically, public figures are required to deal with public scorn and can't just run to file harassment suits because people online called them fags, just so long as it's kept out of the bounds of fedposting. Post the wrong form of defamatory statement about a lolcow on here and Null ends up with legal headaches, call a random politician an alcoholic pedophilic faggot and nothing happens.

In addition to what you wrote I think if you made it so new A&N threads have to be approved by moderation before going up it would effectively make mods the gatekeepers of any discussion topic and this honestly is just too much power for them because I think political bias would end up playing a part in what threads go up and which ones don't.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

Using oldfag status is exactly how they do it, and you either don't know that or pretend not to. I've been on forums since the 90's, I know how this works.

lol boomer

 

[Autopsy]

Using oldfag status is exactly how they do it, and you either don't know that or pretend not to. I've been on forums since the 90's, I know how this works.

When you say this is "how they do it," you are conceding that gutting right wingers from websites is usually an act by existing users to protect an identity or culture common from the website's roots. I disagree, but over the past ten years that has become increasingly common, sure.

You can argue against the core userbase's right to say "you will not replace us," but when the institutional power is already held by said core userbase, it's just a really dumb idea.
Web forums are not democracies. You will only ever lose, and since this tact makes you look obnoxious, you lose faster than you would otherwise. You cannot appeal to "well, there are thousands of us at your doorstep now," when ultimately many of the people who hold all the power would prefer to ban a thousand accounts if it didn't mean having to read their dogshit posts.

That's why I'm saying, instead of insinuating that the people you are trying to force to tolerate your presence have no right to object to it, start working on the case for how you can be present and not disrupt the normal operations of the website. Null is incredibly patient and is even literally asking for some politisperg to step up and do this, to prove that it can be integrated with the website harmoniously, because he also "knows how this works" and doesn't want to go the route most websites go, i.e. excising the tumor.
Be benign. Benign tumors don't usually get cut out.

 

[Kenya Jones]

I did read the OP. I'm giving my general opinion on the concept of moderating A&H and how it'd go over as well as how I think it should be moderated, dunno what problem in particular you have with my post.

You basically described how A&H is being moderated right now (as far as I know).

I'm just throwing this out here. But what about a time based post delay? A set amount of posts a day, followed by a cool down. It might force users to put thought into their comment or reply. And if they wish to continue there discussion with another user they can take it to there profiles. This might not solve it's community problem. But a volume of shitcock posts problem.

Won't work, most A&H users take 30 minutes to make a single word salad sentence.

What's the point then?
People around here would probably benefit by understanding that, to us who flock to A&H instead of sticking around watching for every flap of Ralph's gunt or trawling beauty parlor, the subjects of the news are our cows. They are our lolcows who we enjoy documenting and discussing. Yes there is an added element of fierce political spergery, but when that's kept contained to the thunderdome I honestly don't see how tracking and commenting on dumb shit various members of the squad/Congress/etc say is different than doing the same every time there's a new slapfight between cows. Hell, it may even be better because technically, public figures are required to deal with public scorn and can't just run to file harassment suits because people online called them fags, just so long as it's kept out of the bounds of fedposting. Post the wrong form of defamatory statement about a lolcow on here and Null ends up with legal headaches, call a random politician an alcoholic pedophilic faggot and nothing happens.

First of all, these people absolutely have and will sue over defamation, second, it's hilarious to see people obviously not read the article, or seeing people read and article and completely miss the point or skim over important facts, only looking at the stuff they want to.

You said lefties have a target on them just for having lefty views, but uh, maybe it's their shit stirring behavior?

Having views other than yours isn't shit stirring, I'm sorry to tell you.

Weird. Why are you pretending that people don't ultimately have the choice of how they respond regardless of hostility?

Further, it's interesting how you make this post as if you didn't respond to Ness earlier.

You are not very good at pretending to be reasonable.

You very obviously want a partisan A&H and you really really cannot change from that mindset.