Selecting a Despot for the Autism Thunderdome

[Penis Drager]

You're changing the rules based on whether it's someone you like

Yeah, because I'm a big fan of these people.
I am providing my supporting arguments here, you just reject them.
My point is that, if you enter any community, you should not expect the same treatment as a nobody that someone whose name is immediately recognizable to basically everyone involved would be afforded.

Edit: bad sentence structure

 

[Lurker]

1) Give us back the stickers, with a caveat. I generally think stickers are a good idea for the forum, as a lot of times I'd like to reply to a post, but it doesn't need to be a post. I appreciate Stickers as sort of a "mini-reply" I don't think all the stickers need to come back, but there are a lot of useful ones like Informative, Thunkful, Optimistic. Antagonistic ones like Dumb definitely need to stay away. I also actually really appreciate the "Disagree but I still love you" sticker. I know it's suppose to be insulting to negraters, but I know as someone who(hopefully) isn't considered a threadshitter, that there are people I truely disagree with but appreciate their view point that I use it for. Stickers are seen as a system of Reddit Upvotes, when I think they should be a way of reducing posts.

if i were @Null at this point i would just enable a single sticker, which is the moai politisperging sticker, just to spite you fucking stickerspergs

 

[Mr Cuddles]

Fifth, there is no place on the Internet that even comes close to being a source for truth and breaking news. We have people on the insides of every industry, posting from Ukraine and Shanghai, sharing local rumors and video, weaponized autists getting real names and deets of criminals and other stories the media tries to hide. This is something Kiwifarms should be proud of. It would be a loss to the world and free thought.

I might be one of the posters that Null is referring to, but this is why I joined this site. I've lurked since 2015 but as someone who wasn't that into forums I never felt the inclination to join. It would be sad if the thunderdome was gutted or moderated into irrelevance as it is great. A bit of right wing hugbox, sure, but the way I see it is that there are loads of hugboxes for the left including pretty much every mainstream media website.

To be honest I'm not exactly sure what the problem people or Null have with A&H. If it's that it leans quite strongly right, that's because the site leans right and discussions about politics will lean that way as a result. If the problem is that it attracts posters who nearly only post in that forum (myself included) then the only problem I could see is bandwidth related. If the problem is that it attracts shitty users make appropriate rules to get rid of the worst and keep the rest inline.

@Null What's your desired outcome? I'm confident that I can come up with easy a solution that would be easy to implement and be effective.

 

[X Prime]

Yeah, because I'm a big fan of these people.
I am providing my supporting arguments here, you just reject them.
My point is that, if you enter any community, you should not expect the same treatment as a nobody that someone whose name is immediately recognizable to basically everyone involved.

You're giving yourself too much credit by calling what you're saying a supporting argument. They're more like arbitrary examples about how you think it should work.

What is "recognizable by everyone"? I think many AnH posters recognize Muh Vagina by now, so I guess they're exempt too. What's the cutoff?

The entire idea that some people should get special treatment based on a metric that has nothing to do with their posting quality is asinine.

 

[Meat Target]

Wonder if @Meat Target would be up for it?
Joseph is good people. Very knowledgeable, wouldn't be a biased tard looking to punish A&H.
Meat is good at pointing out tards and turning retardation into content, and seems fairly respected around A&H.


I agree with you that whoever it is, while maybe they shouldn't be a verified Q prophet (shit), should be versed in the culture of the forum they're moderating rather than someone who just wants to fuck with the userbase or try to get the forum nuked just because they dislike it.

I'll think about it. I've been offered a janny position before, but I turned it down. I already spend too much time on KF, and I have a life outside of here.

 

[JamusActimus]

If you nominate me I will ban myself just to see if it works

 

[DamnWolves!]

Obliterate everything that wasn't created in 2022, save for relevant megathreads. Then, we can work on knocking off threads on a bi-weekly basis, all for relevancy's sake.

This does nothing to solve the stated problems. If you run out of hard drive space, fine, whatever (although I feel like we buy enough silver and autistic hats to buy infinite hard drives), but erasing old threads won't improve anything.

Bannable offences:
1, fedposting
2, tiresome sperging about the jews or the new world order
3, obvious schizo shit
4, baiting other users or hostility aggainst other users
5, retarded conspiracy theory shit about covid/vaccines/5g/bill-gates
6, shitting up a thread with one-line nonsense off-topic shit

Some input:

1) Yeah, fedposting gay, but I do it sometimes as a joke... I just make it really obvious that I'm kidding. It's honestly ridiculous that this is something we need to worry about in the United States of America. Tards on the internet talking shit is not a credible threat.
2) Whatever, so long as you're being funny or informative about it. These threads fly by so quickly that it really doesn't matter.
3) Sure, tiresome schizo shit is tiresome.
4) Non-starter. Baiting HHH and snailsme is what I live for; I wish they'd come into A&H more.
5) See #2.
6) See #2.

I like a place to read news I would never, in a million years, seek out by myself and talk about it. I like that there are videos here that small island nations demand we take down. I like that I can call the user below me a niggerfaggot and I'm not going to have moralizing jannies talking about "trust and safety", as if calling someone bad names impacts how safe they are.

Null should be proud of A&H, like a mother is proud of her autistic son for getting a job as a grocery bagger.

 

[Pee Cola]

No doubt someone has already pitched this, but one way to deal with the most egregious fedposters and other assorted retards would be to pen each one up in its own designated shitting thread and then let the other autists bully them without restraint until they either leave the Farms or calm the fuck down. Think along the lines of the prison guard that accidentally leaves a nonce's cell door unlocked and then compounds this error by accidentally tipping off the other inmates before going for a tea break.

The thing is in order to do this, you'd need an unusually reasonable despot, lest the wrong users get thrown into the bullying dungeon. Either that, or decisions to throw said retards into the dungeon would need to be taken by the AT staff as a whole.

Not a job application or a pitch btw.

 

[Penis Drager]

I think many AnH posters recognize Muh Vagina by now, so I guess they're exempt too.

Yes. She was literally one of the examples I used as someone who should be given more leniency than most.
And it is arbitrary, as it should be. One should have some self-awareness as to who they are and where they stand in a community before they start pushing buttons. I'm not advocating full immunity, of course. But people of a certain standing should be treated differently from others.

 

[Randall Fragg]

I like Autistic Thunderdome, because it's like a peanut gallery for the dumb headlines and issues of the day. And, like it or not, it's one of the last places on the internet where you can vent, and hear other vent. And that is a unique thing in this day and age. I, and others I am sure, worry about it getting hijacked by a small clique of shitstirrers who want the Thunderdome gone, and actively stifle discussion.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Nothing is more annoying than rules for thee not for me. If we're gonna punish terrible shit-stirring posters for starting shit, we're gonna have to punish everyone. Otherwise we're just a gay exclusive club of retards.

 

[Dull Pencil]

I more or less only use the Thunderdome on this site, and by use I mean read. I have very little desire reading about the worst dregs on the net but I enjoy seeing what people has to say about events in this world when they can say what they feel without getting banned. This is the only site in English that allow that, that I know of, that also isn't complete cancer.

All I have to add to this is, I don't mind people fighting. But when I see the same fuckers flinging shit back and forth I think that's something that devalue a thread the most and needs to be culled.

So I want to nominate @JosephStalin and @Drain Todger cause that the kind of posters I want to see more of.

 

[X Prime]

Yes. She was literally one of the examples I used as someone who should be given more leniency than most.
And it is arbitrary, as it should be. One should have some self-awareness as to who they are and where they stand in a community before they start pushing buttons. I'm not advocating full immunity, of course. But people of a certain standing should be treated differently from others.

Notice, ladies and gentlemen, the complete lack of a "why this should be" here.

There is no functional difference between Badungus Kabungus shitting up one Ukraine thread and this nonsense, and I say this as someone who gives precisely zero fucks about the Ukraine thing either way.

(I bring this up because that sort of sperging is likely what caused this thread to be started, there is apparently a flood of reports.)

 

[mold]

If I made the rules, first rule would be "Don't be an asshole. You can disagree vehemently with someone else without calling them a name or verbally abusing them. Play the ball, not the person." Allows mods freedom of action to meet the changing circumstances of any thread. Possible actions - informal/formal warnings, temporary/permanent threadban, temporary/permanent ban from the board.


Fourth - All posts shall be in English only. Anything posted in a language other than English shall have an accurate accompanying translation.

but I *really enjoy* telling people to shut up faggot in Irish

 

[GuntPunt]

3) There is a lot of talk of rather quick and permanent banning from A&H. I think that's a bad idea, as is going to cause shit to spill out of Containment. I'm not entirely sure what I would support as an alternative.

I think a "3 strikes and you're out system" is best, and if you don't want to keep count, obvious repeat offenders would suffice. If they shit up outside of A&N afterward, perma them.

 

[Jimmy Olsen]

I like the thunderdome. Where else I am I supposed to say nigger and watch Hulk Hogan fight anime avatars?

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

How about in the spirit of cooperation and peace, we each write a letter to our favorite user describing how much we love them? But those letters get sent off to random users. So you'll receive someone else's letter, but it will be full of love and praise. And this will teach you to value the differences among the posters and how we're all capable of giving and receiving love.

What I'm saying is that there are people who's posts should be treated differently on the grounds that they are them. @Muh Vagina is probably a better example as she'll drop by, say her piece knowing it will stir the pot, and it brings all of the retards out of the woodwork.

I've seen more forums fall than there are stars in the sky and almost always it's due to personalities becoming more important than posts.

 

[Pee Cola]

I like Autistic Thunderdome, because it's like a peanut gallery for the dumb headlines and issues of the day. And, like it or not, it's one of the last places on the internet where you can vent, and hear other vent. And that is a unique thing in this day and age. I, and others I am sure, worry about it getting hijacked by a small clique of shitstirrers who want the Thunderdome gone, and actively stifle discussion.

I agree, which is why I'd reserve my suggestion of segregation and bullying for only the worst of the worst trolls. Whilst there are plenty of A&N users I disagree with on a regular basis - on both sides of the political spectrum - they need their space to examine the day's news and events through the lens with which they feel comfortable, and the last thing I want to see is for that space to be taken away thanks to the actions of bad actors at the extremities.

The thing that all these good A&N users have in common is that they are usually just pragmatic enough to realise when they're being unreasonable, and will step away from the edge. At least that's my read.

Can't wait for all the rainbows I'm gonna get for this post.

Nothing is more annoying than rules for thee not for me. If we're gonna punish terrible shit-stirring posters for starting shit, we're gonna have to punish everyone. Otherwise we're just a gay exclusive club of retards.

Your point being?

 

[Kenya Jones]

I'd be down to becoming a jannie but all I'll ever do is fuck with people.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

I mean, what are the actual issues? There seems to be three 'flavours' going by what I've read in this thread.

1) Lots of reports
- Are the reports due to people actively coming in and shitting up threads, or are they due to people getting deadlocked; and whinging because 'He disagreed with me!' is in their head, an actionable offence? The former is fixeable with brutal mod power and just vigilance against constant zero content shitposting. The second is an issue of users being shit to each other and trying to invoke 'teacher, teacher he hit me!' bullshit. That's an issue of individual users behaving shittily. The response to that should probably be an assessment of who is making the reports against who, and what patterns you can glean from that. Because I believe that it's probably a minority of users engaging shittily with each other, rather than it being some sort of systemic issue.
- If it is the case of a handful of users constantly engaging in a blatantly antagonistic manner with each other; purely so they can try and get the other party banned, then have them do class. It's retarded, but there's a few of the more right leaning forums that have done this and it seemed to work fairly well to stop people from treating the forum as a personal shitpost session. Identify shitty users, tell them that their behavior is shitty, single them out for it, and put them in group chats/single chats/whatever and reiterate what is and is not acceptable. If behavior continues to remain shitty, punish them. I've worked - sadly - as a manager for low IQ call centre retards. Action plans, and accountability is how you get fuckwits to stop acting like fuckwits. Though admittedly, none of the forums are anywhere near as big as Kiwifarms, and when I was a manager, failing to follow through on the action plan got you sacked. Lower stakes with a webforum.

2) People posting unironic 'I am going to blow up a school' sort of things
- Ban them outright, but beyond that; maybe tag something at the top of the forum 24/7 which just outlines the purpose of the A&H section, why fedposting is a retarded thing to do, and a reiteration that doing it will get you banned. There doesn't seem to be that much actual fedposting.
- As a secondary to this, what is causing fedposting? If it's a bunch of new people rocking up and glowing like uranium, that's an issue of new posters being lackwits. If it's older posters who haven't fedposted slowly starting to glow, then that's a whole other issue. The former can have a chilling effect applied by suspending registration as has been done, the latter I think can be solved by accountability.

3) People whinging about politsperging in unrelated non-political threads
- Ban them from the thread. This one is the weirdest 'problem' since each other subsection of the forum has mods already? So if there is rampant shitfuckery (and I don't believe there is, I've never seen it, but my personal 'cows are Moviebob, Greer, Jim Sterling, and Yaniv off/on. So that may just be bias.) then that's a failing of the mods there to smack retards around when they deserve it.

Overall though, it's probably just going to require an even handed vigilance, and the ability to tell people to get a grip, and then slap them around if they are incapable of doing so. And done so in a transparent manner.

Now kindly point out how the user you cited as someone who would skate when you made this nonsense suggestion would avoid the ban based on your own reasoning.

I mean, the simple answer to that is if muh vagina posted literally anything other than 'seethe virgin chud'. Though, in fairness and defence to him; everyone else posts 'Seethe faggot/groomer' in response and preemptively to him. So, black kettles, pots, etc. I'll be honest, I don't think I've ever touched the report function, because I'm not a thin skinned faggot that thinks disagreement is an insult. Nor do I care what anonymous retards on the internet think of me. I assumed that most everyone else in the A&H is the same. Autistically low empathy of me I am aware. I don't really see retard slapfights over political disagreement as an issue.

Also, regarding the whole 'No tagging people' thing that was suggested. Why? There's only two real reasons why tagging a user, or users would be seen as disruptive. 1) The intention is to get individual comments without people discussing things on certain articles, or 2) These users are literally incapable of discussing the contents of articles without 'ruining' the thread and shitposting to the point where people report them. If it's the former, disable quoting and tagging in the A&H area entirely. If it's the latter, then surely the issue lies with those posters? Because they are so awful that people poke them like a retarded bear, ask them their opinion, and the response is relentless shitflinging until threads are worthless. No one tags @Android raptor like they do HHH in a lot of threads because you can have a conversation with her. Like, she's fucking nuts, but she'll have an honest conversation with you no issue. Maybe the issue is: Why are certain users being tagged? Rather than that they are being tagged. Not directed at you Xprime, more of a generic thunk.

@Null
I think in general though, there are some immediate things I think are probably needed:
1) OP guidelines. There should be rules for making a thread to a certain standard. When you make a lolcow thread, there are expectations about the quality needed for the threads first post. An article which is just 'twitter said' does not need its own thread. It should have a general 'Shitty journalism' thread it can be posted into.
2) A permanently tagged 'no fedposting, you fucking retards' post at the top of the A&H subforums. Some people are going to fedpost regardless of what you say, but you can probably cut off at least some of it.
3) A clarification of the purpose of A&H. the sites chat area exists already, so I don't think A&H is there for shitposting and chatting away on asinine random things. Clarifying some basic posting etiquette in regards to what sort of discussion you would expect to occur is probably a good move. The purpose of the Chris subforum is for chris related things, the beauty parlour for women, etc. The same should be done for A&H.

What immediate good those will do, I don't know for certain. But it's broken window policing. It sets a certain tone which all users have to acknowledge as they post, it reduces ambiguity and places more responsibility onto people rather than just a 'A&H culture' thing.

Anyway, spergy rant over. I'd be happy with doing moderator shit: But I have to start my Masters thesis this year. That involves a lot of lab work, but also a lot of 'sit at my computer and watch it go 'brrrrrrrrrrr' with like fifty datasets for seven hours a day. If it's more lab based I'd have no time, if it's more data analytics based I'll have pretty much nothing but time. I'm also a massive faggot and hate banning people.