Selecting a Despot for the Autism Thunderdome

[Megatardingo]

That sounds gay but really funny at the same time.

Every time I'm bored I do that. I also go to random profiles if I find their name/avie funny. People should really shitpost on profiles more, it's a great way to establish ties with the local populace.

 

[Grand Wizard Wakka]

Stickers don't do anything, they're just stickers. Idiots do things.

Stickers are dangerous. They need stricter regulation. Maybe a two week waiting period and background check before a dislike goes through.

 

[Megatardingo]

Stickers are dangerous. They need stricter regulation. Maybe a two week waiting period and background check before a dislike goes through.

I'm gonna put a bumpstock on my stickers as the founding fathers intended you ruffian.

 

[z0mb0]

Stickers are dangerous. They need stricter regulation. Maybe a two week waiting period and background check before a dislike goes through.

least it's not niggers.

 

[Sithis]

I like stickers because it's a fun way to fling virtual poop at one another without the tedium of writing a full paragraph but honestly anyone who is still unironically complaining about stickers in A&H should be subjected to an uWu filter that turns everything they say into uWu speak so their text faggotry matches up

 

[Megatardingo]

I like stickers because it's a fun way to fling virtual poop at one another without the tedium of writing a full paragraph but honestly anyone who is still unironically complaining about stickers in A&H should be subjected to an uWu filter that turns everything they say into uWu speak so their text faggotry matches up

I support the uwu platform. If you cry about stickers get uwud.

 

[Spunt]

HHH isn't some brave progressive warrior speaking out against bigotry and fascism, he knows he's trolling (admitting as such) and rarely goes out to other boards anyway.

People are negrating you because you're another spaz who is more concerned about how right wing A&H leans rather than looking at the underpinnings of the issue. When someone describes a right-winger as a "Neo-Nazi" as you previously did I tend to disregard their opinion, and unlike shitposters who throw around words like "commies" and "cucks" weasels like you actually believe your own bullshit.

Unlike many of the newfags who bitch about A&N (and they probably do have ill intentions, I don't doubt for a second that there are those who want to subvert KF from the inside), you have been here long enough to know that the partisanism in AT isn't a drag on the rest of the site. Null admits that one reason he doesn't have many friends is because KF does punch right.

In your other thread you say that "muh A&H only means journalists were right calling it far right wing", which again, is wrong, because AT is hidden when you log out, and the current state of lefty journalism means that calling out trans people or fat people is right wing, whether you actually have right wing beliefs or not.

You're right to an extent. It's noticeable that some of the people criticising what I've said ITT have called me a "lefty", which I most certainly am not. They just assume that anyone with any criticism must be their political enemy. That attitude is part of the problem.

The discussion got snared up on A&N being "too right wing" when that's only a small part of the problem. The real issue is that the cliquiness of A&N (created by their shared and very narrow set of political opinions, even within the spectrum of the right they occupy a very narrow slice of it) is creating a site-within-a-site that doesn't share the culture of the main part of KF. The lolcow threads have a much wider array of views and posters from a much wider array of personal backgrounds. So you have the main site being pretty chill and A&N being a rage-fuelled circlejerk full of revenge ratings, stupid reports, and fedposting. That would be just as much of a problem if the A&N clique was formed of communists, liberals, Posadists or faggy lolbertarians like myself.

I took a look at my reaction scores just now. What's interesting is that those who gave me positive ratings are all people I've seen in lolcow threads, and those who gave me negrates were people I'd never seen in my life. The same can be said of the thread more broadly - those advocating more moderation in the Thunderdome are regulars on the main site, those opposed don't seem to post anywhere else very often (and when they do they post in the same way and shit up threads). Null expressed the same thing in his OP - they're completely different sets of people with very different ideas on what they use the site for. Ultimately this is a lolcow site, not a political board. A&N was supposed to be a place where the lolcow discussers could chat about politics and the news. Instead we've got two completely different sets of people. That in itself is a problem, but it's compounded by the toxicity of A&N's culture, something Null wants to deal with and something I agree with, especially given the low quality of posting in general and fedposting in particular.

(Oh and reaction scores are useful. If you get mad about what you get you deserve to be laughed at, but they are useful for judging which way the wind is blowing. So it's not dumb to use them as quantitative data.)

Null in his OP identified that his objective is for A&N to integrate culturally with the main part of the site - "Join or Die". In my massive spergpost on page 12 (I think) I outlined what I think are those cultural differences. The unanimity of political opinion is one of those differences. The fact that I personally find that political position revolting may have affected the way I interacted with those people ITT, but the fact remains that it's a problem for the main site. The A&N crew don't care because they don't care about the main part of the site, and that in itself is a massive problem, because if they fedpost KF into oblivion they can just go to /pol/ or wherever and carry on, but the community Null has spent nearly a decade building will be destroyed beyond recovery, and I don't want that either.

Basically, lolcowfags such as myself aren't going to see eye to eye with the A&N people because we have totally different visions of what the site should be about. That's why Null made this thread in the first place, coexistence is no longer possible. It's ironic that a bunch of hardcore right-wingers are the ones arguing for multiculturalism rather than integration, but there you go.

I don't agree with you about hiding A&N from non-logged in users solving the problem of the site's optics. Not when the speds leak out and yell about the Jews on the main site, and not when they invite their friends to A&N. Word gets around that "hey, KF is the new /pol/, let's all post about how much we hate niggers" and then we get even more /pol/ posters shitting up the site. A lot of these people don't realise how much of a knife edge the site is on, and how bad optics can threaten its existence. As I said and I maintain, it's bad enough that journos smear this site as a Neo-Nazi haven, it would be a hundred times worse if they were actually right.

 

[Wrangel1926]

True, I will admit that nuisance posting is also something that it doesn't hurt to remove. That is, of course, if "nuisance posting" isnt defined too loosely. I'm always a bit leery of jannies being overzealous, and fight quite hard to prevent it where I moderate. I will not expand on where this is,.
Ostensibly the highlight function should help prevent things from being lost Though I admit I don't know how the highlight function works. Does it highlight posts that have been given a lot of stickers? If it isnt something manual then I'd suggest a feature for posts to be "pinned" somehow, and for doxposts and the like to be permanently pinned in the thread for people to be able to easily find.

If, hypothetically, I were in charge of A&H, then the most I'd suggest is removing stuff that is legally actionable, and screeds/users that are intended to do nothing more than derail threads. (This is a subjective measure though, which can be a problem.) Generic sperging and offtopic stuff should not, in my mind, be outright removed. Instead, there should preferably be some feature to hide blocks of posts, that users can elect to unhide and read if they wish. What should be "removed" from a discussion is a bit too subjective.

I don't think I'd apply to be head moderator of the A&H subforum though, I do enough 4free,

EDIT: A&H has a problem in that it's both a heavily political section of the site, but also that it is (ostensibly) bipartisan. It's difficult to find someone who could be truly objective given such a task.

Ostensibly they should work as the name suggests, keeping things lost and working as a "best of" for the thread. The issue with that being I don't think anyone outside of Null and some of the staff actually know how the fuck it's supposed to work or trigger. Some threads start marking a highlight after a post gets 5 stickers at max, others hold off until 15 or more, and even then it can vary inside the same thread. Sometimes there's two or three highlight posts in a row on certain threads. Despite that, occasionally a post that was highlighted suddenly gets that status revoked because (presumably) a nearby one got an extra Agree sticker an hour later. I'm pretty certain it's based off of both thread activity and average reactions over whatever period of time/posts, but again, I have no concrete idea and am merely conjecturing. The problem with that is while it allows for community freedom over what they consider to be important or noteworthy, it's simultaneously shackled to both requiring that community interaction and the otherwise esoteric algorithms of determining highlights in the first place. As a result, news or footage-heavy/analysis-heavy threads can end up suffering tremendously as those posts end up relegated to being just another message several pages back, eaten up by the void of subsequent analysis, surface-level gotchas, and utterly derailed slapfights they sparked, while a singular shitpost made 5 pages later in response to all the above is what ends up getting the highlight. The current user-side solution to that issue, that being healthy use of bookmarks and labels for them, still has its own set of issues and, as I said, is an individual fix, effectively a bandaid solution. Don't get me wrong, the highlight system works pretty much as intended across the site, but it still has a few shortcomings when it comes down to more specific instances (and no, I'm not going to suggest something like a highlight view, I already know Null decided against it a couple years ago).

The solutions you recommend are pretty basic and don't leave much in the way of elaborating on just how they'd be implemented, although I don't necessarily disagree with them. Admittedly, the report function should work to cover just that, but then again, that's a big part of the reason this thread exists to begin with. A&H has an utterly atrocious attrition rate for staff from what I've seen, and I don't blame them considering how often people seem to spam the report button for every inconvenience like it's a cocaine dispenser; I'd probably get burnt out and either quit or reduce moderation too if I had to deal with that much concentrated autism and no effective way to tell them to just man up and deal with it. Numerous legal systems can declare someone a vexatious litigant, and having a similar option in regards to reports would probably go a long way in reducing the headache. Closing registrations was already a good idea that was implemented to prevent the problem from growing any further until a solution's fixed, but I'm a bit loathe to suggest making it a flat-out time or post/reaction-score based requirement to see the board; I'll readily admit that I myself only quit lurking as a guest and bit the bullet to make an account solely because I wanted to read the thread about Rush Limbaugh's passing, since the Cartoonist Kelly picture/thread link took up the usual random.txt spot and I couldn't view it otherwise.

That aside, I do think that getting rid of the migraine-inducing abilities of report button enthusiasts and trimming the worst offenders of outright fedposting would eventually bring the board onto a more acceptable and tolerable course in Null's eyes, but unfortunately I have the feeling that those options are going to have to wait for the implementation of Sneedforo first. As it stands from my limited perspective, any Thunderdome Tyrant appointed is either going to have to endure the incessant wails of the Autism Abyss until Sneedforo's implementation to have any meaningful curation abilities for a more velvet glove approach or they're going to have to resort to more heavy-handed tactics in the meantime, which likely carry their own set of problems down the line.

 

[elite_club]

I’d give it a shot


I mean how hard can it be

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

If you mean made me laugh so hard I had to put my drink down, then yes.

Sorry that me pointing out you're a retard who defends cowards who talk shit without tagging the person has triggered you so much

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

Bring back stickers. The weak should fear the strong.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

Sorry that me pointing out you're a retard who defends cowards who talk shit without tagging the person has triggered you so much

Are you even going to try to deny you do the same shit behind a paywall? I'm not even a little mad. What I am, is awestruck by your complete lack of self-awareness.

 

[AnOminous]

Bring back stickers. The weak should fear the strong.

I'm okay with the current situation as retarded as it is. If you want to tell someone they're dumb and you can't just rate them dumb, tell them to their face they're a stupid fuck, at least if you have anything funny to throw in too.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Gotta say, as an A&H regular the board does need tard wranglers. The problem is that the concentrated tarditude burns out mods or only draws nakedly partisan people.

Bring back stickers. The weak should fear the strong.

I don't know what's funnier, the bitching about mean stickers or the bitching about stickers being taken away. RIP Islamic Content, you were so useful in A&H to piss off speds.

Sorry that me pointing out you're a retard who defends cowards who talk shit without tagging the person has triggered you so much

And personally? When it comes to you, even though I feel like you shit up threads there at times the reaction of tards that don't know how to leave you be is quite the excellent mirror. It's like people not being able to tell when that abbo @Dyn is being serious or not.

I'm okay with the current situation as retarded as it is. If you want to tell someone they're dumb and you can't just rate them dumb, tell them to their face they're a stupid fuck, at least if you have anything funny to throw in too.

Only reactions that are missing there are thunkful and islamic content, but even then I've learned to live without them.

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

maybe I’m a masochist, but politisperging (like about abortion, circumcision, womens rights, the Jews) typically just makes me a raise an eyebrow and I shrug it off.

Obviously fed posting is bad. And petty slap fights decrease quality of the board. But is the problem so monumental that typical moderation and containment can’t handle it?

Maybe I’m naive because I’m not a 4chan immigrant… but I do like people able to read crazy shit, bad shit, and negative shit that otherwise you’ll never be able to hear.

Maybe I’m the problem. Maybe I’m the tard that needs a wrangler. Oh god.

 

[AnOminous]

Proof that nazi > commie. That's right we won, now you have to build a wall


If you're a man you just solve it old-school on the streets: Go to their profile and cry about the negrates.

Real men solve it between the sheets.

 

[Aidan]

Stickers are dangerous. They need stricter regulation. Maybe a two week waiting period and background check before a dislike goes through.

This is just common sense, really.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Are you even going to try to deny you do the same shit behind a paywall? I'm not even a little mad. What I am, is awestruck by your complete lack of self-awareness.

Except there's nothing stopping the people that get tagged in the spiderman thread from getting T&H and being able to see it,.

A bunch of retards going into chat, saying I am a pedo, and then running away like a bitch when someone tags me because they're pussies is a whole different ballgame. I understand you have autism and thus can't handle context, but there's a difference there

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Some simple solutions for AnH:

1) Ban people who report others for their opinions (that aren't bannable). Block is an obvious option that is enforced across every forum on the internet, why is it such an issue on this forum?
2) Ban bait posters. People always complain about "people taking the bait" but never address the issue with the bait itself. You wouldn't have 50 socks of retards if you ban people making this obvious bait. You kill the bait users you kill the bait responses, and those members that people like who bait? learn new claims of arguments. Even if you were to ban all the people "taking the bait" you'll still have 50 posts of certain users posting the same true and tired bait. Kill the roots and the tree dies. Some bait responses can be productive but it's contextual there.
3)Outline specifically what posts you don't want. (Not just fedposting claims Don't remove free speech but make the posts have some quality outline. (Also take into context of the posts: comedy/etc.)
4) Slap fight regulations. I think a few here and there are fine but constant just force them to PM fight if it's such an annoyance, block the users from interacting each other or ban them.
5)Bring back all stickers. If someone complains ban them. Simple maturity tests. This has also been done on many sites I've seen when this issue arises why not here?

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Some other notes:
It seems to me there is a lot of exaggeration over AnH users or very stereotypical misconceptions:

The claims most are refugees banned from other sites is laughable. I'm not saying there aren't some users like that, but even with my own obvious sperg antics on sites like Twitter and so on I'm not banned and am also on almost every social media site and or forum, that's known, (And without sock accounts) it's very likely many are not "social outcasts." It's more that most sites you can't be completely honest or say any reality of truth or what you perceive to be in regards to certain topics. People often use euphemisms instead of saying directly what they want to say almost as bad as working at Wal Mart and bringing up unions. Why wouldn't they post on a site where they can do a 180. If you think it's merely over the word "nigger" you are daft or tone-deaf.

"There all politispergs/autists who don't embrace any other discussion." It may be true for some users, but honestly some times I stop in to check news from random sources, because each topic I liked to discuss was either borderline dead from a long time ago (Necroing is dumb), most didn't discuss to the level that I see on other forums which made it pointless, or I just read the topics without posting in them. (Whether someone ninja'd something I'd say, un-necroed topic/etc.)

The other problem is the "It's a circle jerk." When people come into the topics and basically posts new-to-the-internet arguments, maybe it's not the AnN posters that are the problem but the dumb-fags who have no concept of things perpetuated since the start of the internet. Most don't even try to make an argument and the rest seem more petty and upset people don't conform to their narrow political and social worldview. Before you go "What about anh users" then debate them, block them or shut up.

"B-But the hugbox" Which most of the posters didn't even stay in the hugbox only and some merely joined it as a social grouping being invited into it. It's not like other groups weren't forming in opposition though some of those same posters are pretending otherwise. Hmmmmm..... Like this shit isn't new on forums. Social groups do this without disrupting forums all the time. "B-B-But HHH sperging and they fear him or whatever people claim." If you believe that you're delusional. I think most people do it to hate-like or create a "rivalry sentiment" such as becoming friends with known trolls, or hate-fucking someone that antagonizes you. Like I said it a lack of perception on why people believe this shit.

"Combativeness." Hahahahahaha! This is the complaint that reeks of new-faggot on the internet argument to me. Welcome to the internet where people are generally combative in almost ANY social media platform even in forum groups because of power structures or what have you. Next people will be crying over cyber-bullying or some shit. The only way to not be combative is 1)Conform to each others opinions on even the menial of things (Hmmmmm.....) 2) The people whining about this shit should stop taking themselves so damn serious and realize they are just as combative it's just a problem when their "opposition" does it. Fess up, and be honest. If they're harassing the other users outside the AT then ban them. Simple solution.

"But multiple people jump one post causing them to sperg" Which some present multiple different arguments confronting a counter-argument, scary that's almost how discussion, debates and arguments work. Like seriously this is new-to-the-internet shit.

Any board about politics is going to be ruthless as politics is based on power via accepted or "correct" concepts. Again I redirect to combativeness, and politics is hand in hand. Now with how tribal it is, you aren't going to instantly see just laughing at retards in politics. Some like to downplay their own biases but it's pretty read between the lines from their post. The sticker issue proves my case. They want their claims to be considered "positive viewed" and everyone else as dumb or more favored vs disfavored. Come on. Why lie? Anyone could post a counter argument if they felt so assured, the problem is said posters know their arguments are dumb and are blaming "circle jerk" instead of self reflection that maybe they're not the elite genius they thought they were. Oh no. Maybe your counter arguments weren't that great and that's why you got dogpiled not because anH is alt-right central and you're a genius being beat down by fascist and some know they're trolling which is fine in moderate doses.

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In regards to the moderation the problem comes from having people who aren't partisan or are as anti-politics as can be without falling into a "accidental wing" by their beliefs to moderate it if possible or someone who can bypass their own bias and consistently prove they are capable.

One last note with Null not knowing many of the members, honestly I'd love to see a lotto where once a week or month Null selects a random user and just harasses them for a day and see how they react. Mock their posts, edit their title and avatar, etc. just harass them for a few hours. It allows him to release steam and get reactions out of users he might not interact with normally and if they go to overboard over the antics ban them. This kind of thing would also lead to social interactions from other users who might see said user being mocked and you keep mentally sane people who can take a joke, get rid of fragile glass bitch babies from all sides.

That's my 2c.

 

[AnOminous]

Except there's nothing stopping the people that get tagged in the spiderman thread from getting T&H and being able to see it,.

A couple times when I wanted to support the site I threw a T&H at someone who was constantly getting shit-talked on T&H. I have an inherent sense of fairness.