Shane Edward Nokes / @NorrathReaver / Daddy Cum Cannon - Internet Tough Guy and “Retired Cybersecurity Expert” who worked with the US Secret Service and FBI – In reality, a perpetually unemployed leech on disability benefits who threatens people on the internet all day. Raped with a butterknife.

[Anonymus Fluhre]

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Claims to be a Star Trek fan, never read Trekonomics by Manu Saadia.

 

[Vecr]

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Claims to be a Star Trek fan, never read Trekonomics by Manu Saadia.

Sure, lots of Star Trek fans have that conception (including various blog posts and that book), but it's only dubiously true, especially if you only take The Next Generation. People clearly do own things, but it's not explained exactly at what scale they produce/manufacture stuff at, or if workers get paid at all. Workers not getting paid is also consistent with something like feudalism, but that's clearly not the case in the Federation.

Assuming workers don't get paid (i.e. the money in the Federation is only really used at scale for trade with outside planets), it's probably at least pseudo-socialism, but I don't think it's capital-C Communism in the sense that it's what Marx's "dictatorship of the proletariat" is supposed to turn into. As far as I know there is no "dictatorship of the proletariat" that ever controls the Earth or other large parts of the Federation in it's history. On the other hand, Marx did not actually invent the idea of Communism, so if you ignore anything Marxist you could try to see if it matches something closer to anarcho-communism or syndicalism, but I don't see that as being the case with what's shown of the Federation in TNG.

In any case, you can ignore pretty much everything that happens on the Enterprise anyway, because Starfleet is trying to be friendly and most people who go aboard are treated as either refugees or diplomats and probably would not be charged money by the modern United States in that situation either.

 

[Falcon Sebben]

People clearly do own things, but it's not explained exactly at what scale they produce/manufacture stuff at, or if workers get paid at all. Workers not getting paid is also consistent with something like feudalism, but that's clearly not the case in the Federation.

It's not really explained in the show but then... it really shouldn't be because nobody tuned in to see a treatise on economics.

The people in the Federation do have money. There was one episode, dunno which, where Picard, Riker and Troi are talking at the end of the show and they're heading off to some planet for a little R&R. One of them, Riker I think, mentions something about a little bar that serves, "those blue drinks". And Picard said, "I know it well. And you're buying the first round". On DS9 they obviously got paid or how else would they pay for anything at Quark's? Meaning they have money so they get paid by the Federation meaning if anything it's some flavor of socialism going on. But beyond that it's anybody's guess how the economy works there.

 

[Friendly Arbys Employee]

It's not really explained in the show but then... it really shouldn't be because nobody tuned in to see a treatise on economics.

The people in the Federation do have money. There was one episode, dunno which, where Picard, Riker and Troi are talking at the end of the show and they're heading off to some planet for a little R&R. One of them, Riker I think, mentions something about a little bar that serves, "those blue drinks". And Picard said, "I know it well. And you're buying the first round". On DS9 they obviously got paid or how else would they pay for anything at Quark's? Meaning they have money so they get paid by the Federation meaning if anything it's some flavor of socialism going on. But beyond that it's anybody's guess how the economy works there.

The federation has "credits" which are spent within the federation on allotments (such as allocator rations).
You use these on ships, star bases, etc.
Since most everything is replicated, the value of MOST items are only that of the energy to replicate them.
On shows like Voyager, where supposedly replicator energy was limited, it began to be fought over and used for incentive. For example, Tom Paris 'losing a week's replicator rations' over some stunt as punishment, or trading/gambling in rations themselves.

But that only covers the ideal circumstances, and only for federation-provided services.
And since nearly everything, including currencies, could just be replicated, the federation system wins out as de facto wherever possible.

Some black-market items and most services outside the federation needed a competing currency. They needed something hard or impossible to replicate. This is where Latinum (a made up element) comes into play.
The thing that is special about latinum is that it can't be replicated. It's also very hard to contain in its natural form.
That's the tongue-in-cheek joke behind the international space currency being "Gold-plated Latinum." The gold is useless, because it can be replicated, but it's special because it contains the latinum, which cannot.

Most all trading with Quark on DS9 used a currency of latinum, but people could also sell their replicator rations (like modern people do food stamps) for pennies on the gold-plated latinum.

Most trade engagements between ships tend to be a barter exchange, "500 dilithium crystals for your cargo of ore, " but when a barter couldn't be reached even the federation has been known to have a stock of gold-plated latinum for use in negotiations.


So Star Fleet economy is basically how communism works in a globalist world. Places like China have an internal and external currency.
Their external/international currency is compared to the US Dollar in its valuation. The gold-plated latinum.
Their internal/local currency more closely matches Starfleet's replicator rations: they are only useful for services the nation provides, but are generally well distributed amongst the population, and used domestically for most things.

 

[Spunt]

The problem Star Trek had in regards to its economics was balancing Gene Rodenberry's utopianism (and interference in the plot and characters) with the need to make a show with some actual stakes. Given that the show was fairly hard science fiction (by 1960s standards) having that work was really quite important, whereas science fantasy like Star Wars or Flash Gordon was ok handwaving the bits of the setting that didn't make much sense.

Star Trek is set (at Rodenberry's insistence) in a post-scarcity society, where technology (the matter replicators and the fusion reactors that power them) has fundamentally overwritten the core tenet of terrestrial economics - the fact that there isn't enough stuff compared to the amount that people want. Technology like that wouldn't be used to make tea (Earl Grey, hot) if actual humans had access to it. They'd use it to make drugs and sex robots and billion-calorie deserts and then use the medical technology to live forever in a state of total hedonism. Why explore the galaxy and risk getting assimilated by the Borg when you could stay at home in a permanent state of orgasmic pleasure? Why the hell would anyone really join Starfleet, where you get ordered around and killed on away missions, when you could have any lifestyle you wanted at home and never have to work? Much better sci-fi writers than Rodenberry have explored the effect that that kind of technology would have on people. There's even a theory that the answer to the Fermi paradox is that after reaching a certain stage of technology, civilisations can achieve paradise at home and lose the desire to explore the galaxy, thus we don't hear from them.

Star Trek is in this awkward position where its setting is completely at odds with its plot. People in Star Trek behave like they're still in a scarcity-based economy, even though they aren't. In real life, people join the military because the military pay them. It's not even about defending your home, Starfleet behaves more like the UN, trying to impose its values and order abroad. So why would anyone join up to get redshirted on some shithole planet because Captain Kirk decided to intervene in some idiot civilisation's internal disputes when they have no incentive to do so? The simple answer is that they wouldn't. They'd stay the fuck at home, but there wouldn't be many conveniently hour-long adventures to be had if they did that.

 

[Maude Snew]

And here I thought the problem with Star Trek was that like two thirds of the fan base are child molesters.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Star Trek is in this awkward position where its setting is completely at odds with its plot. People in Star Trek behave like they're still in a scarcity-based economy, even though they aren't. In real life, people join the military because the military pay them. It's not even about defending your home, Starfleet behaves more like the UN, trying to impose its values and order abroad. So why would anyone join up to get redshirted on some shithole planet because Captain Kirk decided to intervene in some idiot civilisation's internal disputes when they have no incentive to do so? The simple answer is that they wouldn't. They'd stay the fuck at home, but there wouldn't be many conveniently hour-long adventures to be had if they did that.

The Federation isn't a straight up military force. They're explorers and scientists with some civilian roles added in.

That being said. Gene thought that human nature would change over time as it always has and would accept True Communism (not Marxism) and that change would happen with a major third world war which would leave the planet radioactive. Humans have always had huge wars and nothing has changed and we've had plagues that decimated the population and yet human beings never changed.Even with the near extinction of our race that limited our gene pool nothing has changed. Humans remain greedy assholes so there's no way people would work just have a roof over their head and food in their bellies with no way to advance their role in society. Human's always want "more" whatever that "more" is. Getting rid of religion would just makes things worse because now they have no religious morals keeping them in check.

Some places in the Federation even make vagrancy illegal, but that doesn't seem to be universal but limited to the planet/ systems government.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

A lot of people in this thread downplaying how many humans dominate Starfleet, a military force that has tried to seize control of the Federation multiple times. Not going to be a good look when the revolution comes and overthrows the human/alien hierarchy for true trans liberation.

 

[Dieter Laser]

Normally commies call TNG their example of “fully automated luxury gay space communism.”

Make of that what you will.

 

[AnOminous]

Normally commies call TNG their example of “fully automated luxury gay space communism.”

Make of that what you will.

They also claim every character they like in any work of fiction is a troon.

They're retarded. I make of it that they're retarded.

 

[AutoClownMaker]

They also claim every character they like in any work of fiction is a troon.

Based on my observation the character is just not CIS. This week a version of spiderman is bi if the twattings of a trans flag poster is to be believed.

Back to the Shame of Shane - his outburst about communism seems to be based on his indoctrination of the word being a bad word and a bad thing. VS a well read understanding of what was written about a system that never existed and has no real chance of existence due to the constraints of resources. Discussions by the thinkers of the day when the idea of communism came into being were about the famines due to a lack of Nitrogen fertilizer and how the industrial revolution was creating abundance. By Gene's time humanity HAD changed. Europe's history of regular warfare was replaced with what got called the cold war and technology had solved hunger and the strife of famine which was a regular part of humanity. Gene was concerned about the cold war going hot and one way to prevent that is an understanding of 'the enemy'. In the middle of the cold war calling a system communism isn't gonna get you greenlit. But showing a version of what the enemy is claiming to be up to is possible. Gene's black kiss shows his willingness to try and change minds.

Note how Shame never actually engages in a discussion about a topic. His engagement is insult and block to avoid a person having a 1 on 1 and show that Shame does not understand a topic or how he's wrong much to his Shame.

 

[AnOminous]

Note how Shame never actually engages in a discussion about a topic. His engagement is insult and block to avoid a person having a 1 on 1 and show that Shame does not understand a topic or how he's wrong much to his Shame.

That's because he's a retard and on some level he knows it. He knows he couldn't actually carry out a debate on pretty much any subject at all, even against a Flat Earther or something. He's just too dumb. That's why he runs away from any argument taking a pathetic parting shot.

 

[TheGuntinator]

who says if he saw anybody else with a gun, he would immediately murder them with his own gun, because they were a threat

These niggers play life like its a Far Cry game. He's gonna crouch up for the stealth kill and get shot in the balls

 

[Hungry Homeless Handjob]

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but Shane briefly had his account locked, presumably for abusive behavior since he's deleted a few tweets:

Apr 20:

@Hildysfantasies Of course you'd be a homophobic genocide supporter.

People like you have no business existing, period.

Apr 19:

@SisyphusUnleas
@DebtorObese
@TwitterSafety
@TwitterSupport
@HackingButLegal Oh I bet.

Folks like this are always scum. Terrible scum.

Apr 19:

@stealthygeek
@BovidBumia52841
@HackingButLegal They're trying to shutdown Jackie's account.

Mind amplifying?

https://t.co/vYC0qnmBkK

 

[AutoClownMaker]

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but Shane briefly had his account locked, presumably for abusive behavior since he's deleted a few tweets:

The take a bullet tweet is gone so his tough guy babbling got him de-twatted.

Obviously the ToS is Nazi because no true righteous service would moderate in any way the twat'n of Shame!

 

[Plaintiff is fat]

Classic Shane spergout shitting up /r/audieble and /r/doordash this week, picking fights and acting like a weirdo

People who troll have been rejected by everyone in their life, says man who boasted how much fun he had trolling KF in April. Also calls others "piggy" despite him doing all the squealing:



he does the bit:


The Secret Service had an assignment at the local McDonald's inbetween shifts as xBox head of moderation


He's broke


Tard rage made him say something against the rules:


one of the targets of Shane's (drunken?) tantrum mentions he goes into DMs to continue throwing the bitch fit


I was able to procure the DM convo after briefly explaining that Shane is a lolcow and politely asking:



"Go fuck yourself to death with a rusty chainsaw" for saying food delivery drivers can make decent money or something like that. This is the guy who claims him getting banned multiple times is always some conspiracy lol.

 

[Associate Rick]

IMAX levels of projection right here, imagine being in your 40's and still behaving like this toward random strangers.

 

[Maude Snew]

IMAX levels of projection right here, imagine being in your 40's and still behaving like this toward random strangers.

You have to understand, he just got bad news. Another doctor told him they can't actually remove the butter knife unless he loses weight. The cluster butthurt is really tough on him.

 

[AutoClownMaker]

Classic Shane spergout ... He's broke

Both his wallet and his brain.

The ''I was doing algebra at 8" does not mention correctness. Or even a why at age 8.

You will end up on the streets again Shame as you have anger management issues.

 

[rusty shackleford 1]

“Oh yeah?! Well I peaked at 8 you fucking chud!” Pat does this too, and Tony Reed. People who have nothing going on in their lives expect you to be impressed with their childhood anecdotes and believe they were super smart child geniuses. I used to follow a munchie cow who spent her days unemployed talking about her pain meds on insta, but every now and then she’d get a good high and stroll down memory lane about her 4H prize winning high school days.

I think Shane misses us, he must be pretty bored if he’s wishing death on random redditors posting in a door dash sub. He’s as retarded and emotionally unregulated as he is fat.