Should Chris receive donations?

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It IS possible there might be looters. At least, that's why my cousin and her husband are staying in an RV on their property, rather than a hotel. However, it's much more likely that the painting didn't survive the fire. And in the unlikely event it WAS taken by someone, it sure as hell wouldn't have been the firemen, but probably just some random person. The whole family always reacted that way -- Chris AND Borb. If something bad happened to them, they would lash out and blame someone else. Bob's conspiracy theories, Barb always been convinced that someone was trying to hurt her little baby, Chris always blaming the trolls. EVERYONE was out to get them.

So it's same old, same old. I'm certainly not surprised. They'll probably complain about the insurance company not giving them enough, or whatever.
 
Get your donations in folks, Simpsons Lego house will be available soon.

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Blue Max said:
This is a great question, and let's start with the overarching situation before I give my opinion on this.

As a country, the United States has decided that it will provide a scanty minimum level of assistance to those in need. This is a pittance, far below the earning power of someone working at minimum wage but is a frank realization that people aren't going to starve silently.

Giving people bread is cheaper than facing hungry people willing to commit violence for it; and [nearly] anyone who has gone four days without food is going to be desperate for it. This reasoning applies to drinkable water, medical care or basic safety needs. This is why we have a social safety net, and while people with no skills and no ability need to eat something.

This whole system largely emerged in the Great Depression, when the previous model of charitable giving became woefully inadequate to helping desperate people. Its existence may be one the few things that kept the Great Recession from mass social outcry.

Chris and Barb are vicious, pathetic people with serious mental issues, but they have as much call for that minimum aid as anyone else. Far worse people receive government assistance; and I believe that as a democratic nation of the people for the people by the people, the Tugboat should sail.

The Tugboat is institutionalized charity; no American can refuse to pay their taxes and get away with it; nor their social security, nor even sue on how their tax monies are used. All Americans charitably support CWC via this method, and I respect that the alternative is likely worse. Because of the Tugboat, CWC won't starve. He might be uncomfortable, he might not even fulfill his basic desires, but he'll never be cornered into being so desperate that he becomes violent.

Donations are at the discretion of the provider, and I make no judgement about those who enjoy helping someone like CWC--I don't like him, and I wouldn't help him, but I can understand that others might. But I find no joy in helping people who are mean or impolite to others (and I'd given a bitter old woman a dollar--she decided to ask for 10$ immediately afterward. Never again.) Chris will not use the money well, he will not use the money to better himself or to make meaningful improvements to his life. Most Likely:

He probably would by a PS4.
He probably will buy many games for various consoles he already has.
He might buy the services of a Professional Heartsweet.
He might buy Adult Media.
Given enough money, he might even try a legal gambit against trolls of some variety.

So if helping Chris or Barb makes you happy, or if you've got so much money that alternative methods wouldn't make you happy, donate to a most unworthy fellow. But you've already paid your charity to this Lolcow through your taxes; if he wants more he'll figure out a way to get it or he'll go without. That's the reality all of us live by; its certainly fair to him as well. But this is a tonic of reality he's ignored for his entire life; his only chance at a better life is to DO SOMETHING about himself. He's the only one that can make that decision; IMO, coddling Chris teaches him nothing.

Social Security is an entitlement, provided and received as insurance as part of our national social contract. Charity, on the other hand, is freely given.

But I agree with a lot of other things you write here.
 
Batman said:
DustyR said:
Sorry, brother, I responded to your post, but it got chopped down. :pickleman:

To respond again briefly: being an autistic manchild means you don't always think as well as a normal person. It does not give you a get out of jail free card to be absolved of the rather basic responsibilities of caring for an elderly mother (keeping house clean, buying essentials, making sure she is getting proper medical treatment, etc.)

Your definition is completely arbitrary. You can't suggest that he thinks like a child for what you see as minor infractions and then turn around and say he thinks like an adult in situations where he has personally offended you.

Either he thinks like an adult, and therefore is perfectly deserving of reprimand for his comments regarding the fire fighters who, by the way, probably saved his life, his home and many of his possessions.

Or he thinks like a child, and therefore does not deserve blame for insufficiently caring for his mentally ill mother; a task that, might I add, a real child wouldn't be up to.

You can't have it both ways.

Can't speak for Dusty, but I think it's something much different than that. He's something else, not a child not an adult. He's a...a new thing.

I have no doubt that there's already a terminology for his specific condition but it strikes me as being that he could think like an adult and understand empathy but it's much harder for him than it is for mainline types. So he chooses not to put in the work to develop a... well a conscience. He's as close to a state of human quantum indeterminacy as is possible.

Now everything I just said their is essentially bullshit because I just can't figure him out.
 
FatNero said:
Batman said:
DustyR said:
Sorry, brother, I responded to your post, but it got chopped down. :pickleman:

To respond again briefly: being an autistic manchild means you don't always think as well as a normal person. It does not give you a get out of jail free card to be absolved of the rather basic responsibilities of caring for an elderly mother (keeping house clean, buying essentials, making sure she is getting proper medical treatment, etc.)

Your definition is completely arbitrary. You can't suggest that he thinks like a child for what you see as minor infractions and then turn around and say he thinks like an adult in situations where he has personally offended you.

Either he thinks like an adult, and therefore is perfectly deserving of reprimand for his comments regarding the fire fighters who, by the way, probably saved his life, his home and many of his possessions.

Or he thinks like a child, and therefore does not deserve blame for insufficiently caring for his mentally ill mother; a task that, might I add, a real child wouldn't be up to.

You can't have it both ways.

Can't speak for Dusty, but I think it's something much different than that. He's something else, not a child not an adult. He's a...a new thing.

I have no doubt that there's already a terminology for his specific condition but it strikes me as being that he could think like an adult and understand empathy but it's much harder for him than it is for mainline types. So he chooses not to put in the work to develop a... well a conscience. He's as close to a state of human quantum indeterminacy as is possible.

Now everything I just said their is essentially bullshit because I just can't figure him out.
Yeah, it's like he's a child.. but not... he's just sorta child ...ish.

There's gotta be a word for that. I know it.
 
It's not just childish or manchild. It's deeper than that. Those words aren't correct enough to define him.
 
deeman said:
FatNero said:
It's not just childish or manchild. It's deeper than that. Those words aren't correct enough to define him.
Autism.

Still not quite right, I've known people with autism all across the spectrum, worked with people who have autism often more severe than CWCs and they're able to do quite a bit more with their lives than he even as an interest in attempting. And taught a few autistic students. It's some confluence of laziness, shit parenting, self delusion and--- I don't think there's an answer that will suit me though. So fuck it.
 
FatNero said:
Batman said:
DustyR said:
Sorry, brother, I responded to your post, but it got chopped down. :pickleman:

To respond again briefly: being an autistic manchild means you don't always think as well as a normal person. It does not give you a get out of jail free card to be absolved of the rather basic responsibilities of caring for an elderly mother (keeping house clean, buying essentials, making sure she is getting proper medical treatment, etc.)

Your definition is completely arbitrary. You can't suggest that he thinks like a child for what you see as minor infractions and then turn around and say he thinks like an adult in situations where he has personally offended you.

Either he thinks like an adult, and therefore is perfectly deserving of reprimand for his comments regarding the fire fighters who, by the way, probably saved his life, his home and many of his possessions.

Or he thinks like a child, and therefore does not deserve blame for insufficiently caring for his mentally ill mother; a task that, might I add, a real child wouldn't be up to.

You can't have it both ways.

Can't speak for Dusty, but I think it's something much different than that. He's something else, not a child not an adult. He's a...a new thing.

I have no doubt that there's already a terminology for his specific condition but it strikes me as being that he could think like an adult and understand empathy but it's much harder for him than it is for mainline types. So he chooses not to put in the work to develop a... well a conscience. He's as close to a state of human quantum indeterminacy as is possible.

Now everything I just said their is essentially bullshit because I just can't figure him out.

What's to figure out? He has no empathy and I don't think he's capable of empathy.

His mind is like a prison. He can observe normal human beings and normal human interaction but his condition sort of prevents him from replicating it. His mind doesn't/can't make the necessary connections. He can't "break out" so to speak.
 
So is he or is he not responsible for his actions and attitudes. If he can't break out, and his mind is incapable of creating the connections needed to understand reality is he at fault when he acts like a total fuck?

That's where I have trouble.
 
Batman said:
FatNero said:
Batman said:
Your definition is completely arbitrary. You can't suggest that he thinks like a child for what you see as minor infractions and then turn around and say he thinks like an adult in situations where he has personally offended you.

Either he thinks like an adult, and therefore is perfectly deserving of reprimand for his comments regarding the fire fighters who, by the way, probably saved his life, his home and many of his possessions.

Or he thinks like a child, and therefore does not deserve blame for insufficiently caring for his mentally ill mother; a task that, might I add, a real child wouldn't be up to.

You can't have it both ways.

Can't speak for Dusty, but I think it's something much different than that. He's something else, not a child not an adult. He's a...a new thing.

I have no doubt that there's already a terminology for his specific condition but it strikes me as being that he could think like an adult and understand empathy but it's much harder for him than it is for mainline types. So he chooses not to put in the work to develop a... well a conscience. He's as close to a state of human quantum indeterminacy as is possible.

Now everything I just said their is essentially bullshit because I just can't figure him out.

What's to figure out? He has no empathy and I don't think he's capable of empathy.

His mind is like a prison. He can observe normal human beings and normal human interaction but his condition sort of prevents him from replicating it. His mind doesn't/can't make the necessary connections. He can't "break out" so to speak.


He's almost feral by this point.
 
So basically, Chris is a massive JERK and didn't deserve donations. To say otherwise at this point is Naive.
 
No, he doesnt deserve any.

If he wants money for Mcdonalds, KFC, or video games he will earn it, the same as anyone else who wants money.
 
FatNero said:
So is he or is he not responsible for his actions and attitudes. If he can't break out, and his mind is incapable of creating the connections needed to understand reality is he at fault when he acts like a total fuck?

That's where I have trouble.

Thank you for asking this! For me, anyway, it's THE big question regarding Chris - just how responsible is he (or can he be held) for his actions?
 
Christory101 said:
No, he doesnt deserve any.

If he wants money for Mcdonalds, KFC, or video games he will earn it, the same as anyone else who wants money.

Well, as much as he 'earns' his tugboat. He will; always have that money, and now with his living situation so drastically changed, he should he happy he has that money to start a new life and give him food in his stomach and a roof over his head. I didn't donate to him because I knew he already had this, and help from the insurance company, however much or little it is.

Like so many, I was uncomfortable with the idea that my money might be spend on Hoard 2.0, among other reasons like 'he needs to learn the hard way' or whatever. It's nice to see that my suspicions were confirmed, but it's not really a happy kind of nice. I did want to see him improve from this, perhaps become a better person, but he just showed us that's not happening, so... that's it.
 
Christory101 said:
No, he doesnt deserve any.

If he wants money for Mcdonalds, KFC, or video games he will earn it, the same as anyone else who wants money.

No, he won't. He will get government assistance and donations from people. In fact, he's already done so.
 
chris deserved everything he had coming and you are all damn trolls for thinking otherwise
 
Being against Chris getting shit makes you an A-Log

What the fuck doesn't make someone an A-Logger. That's a good question.
 
A-Stump said:
Being against Chris getting shit makes you an A-Log

What the fuck doesn't make someone an A-Logger. That's a good question.
I don't think you're an A-log.

I am however, completely puzzled as to why you started this thread specifically to keep other threads from getting derailed by the subject of whether or not Chris deserves donations, but then went into another thread and started derailing it with why you think Chris doesn't deserve donations.

Edit: you know what? in re-reading that thread i guess i sorta did bring it up. So that's my bad i guess. Nevermind.
 
Because it sort of puzzles me as to how people think.

Null did tell me to stay out of there with that though so, yeah, I had no reason being in there. I kind of sort of forgot at that moment.

Anyways, I think people don't really think beyond the 'now' and toward the future. It's a case of teaching someone to fish instead of giving it to them. You don't rail on a guy for not working and then give him shit the one time in his life that he has an incentive to earn things back. It's bewildering. The message being sent is 'Don't worry we'll stop all of the prickly wicklies from really getting to you'. He needed that experience in his life. The drive of a disaster us as good as any. It's wiped clean by the fact that people treat him as their little pet project instead of a human being. He's going to be an old man one day with his hand still held out for shit.
 
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