Should Chris receive donations?

[Some JERK]

Because it sort of puzzles me as to how people think.

Null did tell me to stay out of there with that though so, yeah, I had no reason being in there. I kind of sort of forgot at that moment.

Anyways, I think people don't really think beyond the 'now' and toward the future. It's a case of teaching someone to fish instead of giving it to them. You don't rail on a guy for not working and then give him shit the one time in his life that he has an incentive to earn things back. It's bewildering. The message being sent is 'Don't worry we'll stop all of the prickly wicklies from really getting to you'. He needed that experience in his life. The drive of a disaster us as good as any. It's wiped clean by the fact that people treat him as their little pet project instead of a human being. He's going to be an old man one day with his hand still held out for shit.

You know, the ironic thing is that that kinda means that you have more faith in Chris than most of us do. I personally don't think there exists any combination of scenarios that would ever teach Chris any kind of life lessons whatsoever.

 

[A-Stump]

It is somewhat funny of a stance, terribly ironic, but I don't have faith in him so much the power of desperation has on people. There is nothing so moving as being without something. It'll kick people into action. If a man is hungry enough for something he will do anything to get it. Hunger doesn't mean, necessarily, for food. He lost his hoarded junk and had a prime chance to buckle underneath of the pressure or rise above it. Irrelevant since folks will pay his lot in life.

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

chris deserved everything he had coming and you are all damn trolls for thinking otherwise

 

[A-Stump]

Donating to someone to prevent them from resorting to criminality is rather shitty

Chris would make a poor criminal. For one, he's incredibly cowardly faced with real danger. For another, he's incredibly stupid and couldn't manage to get away with a crime without telegraphing his intentions to everyone else.

For another, dangerous? Again, really? The one thing he managed to do was 'hit' Michael Snyder with a car and that honestly sounded more like a case of him running up on the car and trying to stop it.

He can't even rob a store with his Megatron pistol. Shit's melted.

 

[Batman]

Donating to someone to prevent them from resorting to criminality is rather shitty

Chris would make a poor criminal. For one, he's incredibly cowardly faced with real danger. For another, he's incredibly stupid and couldn't manage to get away with a crime without telegraphing his intentions to everyone else.

For another, dangerous? Again, really? The one thing he managed to do was 'hit' Michael Snyder with a car and that honestly sounded more like a case of him running up on the car and trying to stop it.

He can't even rob a store with his Megatron pistol. Shit's melted.

A lot of criminals are idiots. Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot, if you will. That doesn't mean that Chris wouldn't resort to crime if it came down to it. Remember, in addition to hitting Snyder with his car, he's trespassed, vandalised, stalked and publicly solicited, all with the intention of getting something he wants.

 

[A-Stump]

He's done things which are reasonably within his cowardly and petty nature. Rolling up and mugging a guy and campaigning against the slanderous Hexbawks and stalking sweethearts are two very different cans of beans.

 

[Batman]

He's done things which are reasonably within his cowardly and petty nature. Rolling up and mugging a guy and campaigning against the slanderous Hexbawks and stalking sweethearts are two very different cans of beans.

He stole his parents' credit card once. So we know that theft is in his nature. I'm not saying he'd be a successful criminal, I'm just saying that it might eventually occur to him to start committing crimes if he was really desperate and felt he had no other choice. He wouldn't succeed, he'd end up in either the prison or the insane asylum, but he'd try.

 

[A-Stump]

Again, that's something he knew he could get away with without much harm. Little kid's steal their parent's credit cards all the time. It's why the TV commercials always have the 'must be 18 years or older to order' disclaimer. He sticks to things which are very petty, easy to access within his range, ect.

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

I can see Chris getting into trouble for shoplifting and/or petty theft from looking up one of the many "anarchist" guides to thieving from Wal-Mart and screwing it up. Not that I do it or anything, but the number one rule in these things is to not act suspicious. Chris will fail that immediately by going into an aisle, taking an item from the shelf, and then checking every single vantage point before he even thinks about putting it in his purse.

 

[A-Stump]

Let him be arrested for being a dumbass and shoplifting. Honestly, if he has to turn to a criminal life to get what he wants, he belongs in a jailhouse or a mental institution. Call me a but criminals turn to, well, crime because most lack what they need; Chris is provided for by the government. Any acts of theft, violence, or coercion is squarely on his head and nobody should be compelled to provide for him in order to turn him away from this perceived life of crime.

 

[Coldgrip]

I can see Chris getting into trouble for shoplifting and/or petty theft from looking up one of the many "anarchist" guides to thieving from Wal-Mart and screwing it up. Not that I do it or anything, but the number one rule in these things is to not act suspicious. Chris will fail that immediately by going into an aisle, taking an item from the shelf, and then checking every single vantage point before he even thinks about putting it in his purse.

Don't forget about the in store cameras many places like wal-mart have.

 

[JeffGoldblumIRL]

Let him be arrested for being a dumbass and shoplifting. Honestly, if he has to turn to a criminal life to get what he wants, he belongs in a jailhouse or a mental institution. Call me a but criminals turn to, well, crime because most lack what they need; Chris is provided for by the government. Any acts of theft, violence, or coercion is squarely on his head and nobody should be compelled to provide for him in order to turn him away from this perceived life of crime.

Criminal records can also make one ineligible for government assistance, so if he knows what's good for him he'll stay out of trouble.

I can see Chris getting into trouble for shoplifting and/or petty theft from looking up one of the many "anarchist" guides to thieving from Wal-Mart and screwing it up. Not that I do it or anything, but the number one rule in these things is to not act suspicious. Chris will fail that immediately by going into an aisle, taking an item from the shelf, and then checking every single vantage point before he even thinks about putting it in his purse.

Don't forget about the in store cameras many places like wal-mart have.

Many of those are dummies, but not all. The cameras near the registers are all real (because companies are more worried about employees stealing money) as are the ones by the front doors, but for the most part the cameras are just there to give people the feeling that they are being watched and don't tape anything. It's why crime reports on the news generally show footage of the alleged criminal on the front door camera, it's the only footage they have.

Source: Used to work in retail in high school, had friends who did, etc.

 

[Sovandie]

If he wasn't sneaky enough to graffiti the HexBox sign in Wal-Mart without getting caught, I seriously doubt he'd be sneaky enough to steal something successfully. I've been kicked out of stores for looking at something for too long, and I'm fairly non-threatening and decently dressed - visually, Chris fits the profile of "plain ol' scumbag" which employees keep an extra-close eye on.

 

[Batman]

If he wasn't sneaky enough to graffiti the HexBox sign in Wal-Mart without getting caught, I seriously doubt he'd be sneaky enough to steal something successfully. I've been kicked out of stores for looking at something for too long, and I'm fairly non-threatening and decently dressed - visually, Chris fits the profile of "plain ol' scumbag" which employees keep an extra-close eye on.

It doesn't mean he wouldn't try.

 

[Sovandie]

If he wasn't sneaky enough to graffiti the HexBox sign in Wal-Mart without getting caught, I seriously doubt he'd be sneaky enough to steal something successfully. I've been kicked out of stores for looking at something for too long, and I'm fairly non-threatening and decently dressed - visually, Chris fits the profile of "plain ol' scumbag" which employees keep an extra-close eye on.

It doesn't mean he wouldn't try.

That's true, on the flip side of what I said he did commit a felony and expect no tangible repercussions from it. If he doesn't comprehend the gravity of the Snyder incident I do somehow doubt he'd think twice about shoplifting, but there's always a chance that the HexBox sign and whatever punishment arose from the credit card thing have given him enough of a situation-specific smack around the head that he'd dismiss the idea.

 

[QI 541]

There's a not-so-negligible chance that even if Chris successfully shoplifts something, he'll brag about it on his Facebook.

 

[Christ-Chan]

You know, the ironic thing is that that kinda means that you have more faith in Chris than most of us do.

"Chris is weaker and baser by nature than Thou hast believed him! By showing him so much respect, Thou didst, as it were, cease to feel for him, for Thou didst ask too much from him - Thou who hast loved him more than Thyself? Respecting him less, Thou wouldst have asked less of him. That would have been more like love, for his burden would have been lighter."

Honestly though (not directed at Some JERK), it has already happened and unless you can do that Super-Man thing where you make the world spin backwards and turn back time you're going to have to deal with it. They can't un-donate charity.

 

[A-Stump]

I don't really how it has to do with the discussion. It's a topic which has more evolved to; 'Should Chris receive charity?' more so than the singular forum donation.

 

[maninthepicklesuit]

So is he or is he not responsible for his actions and attitudes. If he can't break out, and his mind is incapable of creating the connections needed to understand reality is he at fault when he acts like a total fuck?

That's where I have trouble.

I think almost every noteworthy event in Christian's life has three influencing factors -- his autism causes him to have some sort of misunderstanding about others; his unwarranted sense of entitlement causes him to act on the misunderstanding in the lulziest and most self-serving manner possible; and his stupidity causes him to keep doubling down long after any reasonable person would have quit.

As an example, let's look at the Gal Pal Saga. His autism caused him to misinterpret his Gal Pals as true friends and possible heartsweets; his unwarranted sense of entitlement caused him to think that his Gal Pals were morally obligated to coddle him forever and send him care packages and china; and his stupidity causes him to keep posting messages on Facebook long after it should be apparent that this won't get Christian the results he wants.

As a general moral guideline, I think the obligation of society is to accommodate Christian's autism but not his being an entitled fuckwad. Going back to the Gal Pal Saga, it's not his fault he initially misunderstood his Gal Pals' intent because autistics have trouble with social cues. However, when he fails to update his understanding of reality when presented with new information or fails to give his Gal Pals the respect to which they're entitled as human beings, then that's fair game.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

I think almost every noteworthy event in Christian's life has three influencing factors -- his autism causes him to have some sort of misunderstanding about others; his unwarranted sense of entitlement causes him to act on the misunderstanding in the lulziest and most self-serving manner possible; and his stupidity causes him to keep doubling down long after any reasonable person would have quit.

This is perhaps the most concise description of Chris I've ever read. Kudos.