Should DST be killed and replaced with a dynamic time that's synchronised with the local sunrise? - we have the technology to pull it off

[GR8 B8 M8 I R8 8/8]

DLS is useless as far as I know considering some states don't even practice it. Pick one of the times and stick with it instead of changing it twice a year. It keeps messing with people.

 

[ifxztykgdnfvmsdjhfbSD]

No. 24 hour time should be replaced by measuring the angle the sun is from the primer meridian. So the prime meridian is 0° and 1 day is 0^ to 359°.

This but radians instead.

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

Maybe Mars time will be like that. Since you're starting with a clean slate, you can do whatever wacky shit you want there.

 

[Uncle Bass]

We should scrap any vestige of the 24 hour clock and exclusively use Unix time instead. If we can't do that we should all use GMT so no more time zones instead

 

[Raven of the Burning God]

Noon should be when the sun is at its apex.

Due to seasonal and orbital effects, the time of noon wanders by +/-15 minutes relative to a precise clock.
1200 is defined in mean solar time to minimize this discrepancy, but noon rarely occurs at 1200 even if you're on the ideal longitude for your time zone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time

There are some ancient water clocks that displayed time according to how much of a calibrated rod or panel was submerged since the level of the reservoir had been reset at sunrise. That is, the rod would have 12 equally spaced divisions between sunrise and sunset to mark the hours.
What did they do to account for the length of daylight being much shorter on the winter solstice and much longer on the summer solstice? They used longer or shorter rods and changed them out at sunset when the water level was too high or low relative to the last mark. This also helped with density correction as the average water temperature changed over the course of the year.

 

[cigint]

We should get rid of both DST and timezones. Time can't be based on sunrise because that's a different time everywhere and even at different altitudes. So to properly coordinate day of time, we select a focal point such as a city with a color in its name. Something like "Redmond" in Oregon or "White" in Georgia. Having established what we can call e.g. White Mean Time, we can split the world into 24 so-called "chronological area designations", one hour per CAD, starting from WMT. Each country can then legislate belonging to just one CAD or multiple, if they have a very large area. As far as the issue of sunrise and sunset times shifting due to the season, we can have a short period of time called the night darkness reduction time. Basically we just adjust the time forward or back a little based on how we feel like doing it. This should fix all the problems that the current system has.

 

[Flame War Vet]

And how the fuck am I supposed to synchronize my wind-up alarm clock with it?

 

[Betonhaus]

And how the fuck am I supposed to synchronize my wind-up alarm clock with it?

Buy a new clock or set it to common standard time. Computers and stuff will still need to be synchronized, airplane times and online meetings will need to be synchronized. So realistically you'd have two clocks; one set to a standard time that only gets the leap second at most, and the clock that counts the time before and after sunrise. You could probably have a third clock counting the time until sunset.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

STOP PUTTING COMPUTERS IN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!
My oven doesn't need a computer, my washing machine doesn't need a computer, my air conditioning doesn't need a computer, my lock doesn't need a computer. Everything especially needs to stay away from the internet. My watch should not need to do anything more than tell the time by itself (I would say that my watch doesn't need to have a computer in it, but I either use a digital watch or no watch because mechanical watches can't keep track of the date. I also want a watch that can play music, but nothing available supports enough codecs for me. I would do anything for a watch with no backlight, a headphone jack, a micro SD card port, and XMplay on it.). I don't want my old clocks to become obsolete, I don't want to calculate complicated formulas to just find the time, and I don't want my watch or clock to need to connect to the internet.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Even if everyone used an international time, it'd still need converting. I'd rather hear "I wake up at 5am and feel fucked, bruh" from an American than "I wake up at 11pm" and have to go "wait, in my time that's-"

 

[Hokuriku]

Japan used to tell time that way - presumably a lot of other East Asian countries too. The periods between sunrise/sunset would be divided into six equal day and night units of time.

It was a complete nightmare to keep track of because 'hours' were constantly changing in length with the seasons. They had to come up with ludicrous mechanisms for timepieces to keep everything even marginally accurate.

 

[TooManyKittens]

STOP PUTTING COMPUTERS IN EVERYTHING!!!!!!!
My oven doesn't need a computer, my washing machine doesn't need a computer,

So as someone who has to put up with and deal with the tech side of timezones...

1. This. Stop putting computers in everything it's gay invasive and awful.
2. Fucking get rid of daylight savings stick to standard time and stop fucking with the dates.
3. For accuracy reasons you probably want *one* clock that talks to an NTP server and has an accurate-ish time. The history of maintaining clocks to the right time is actually fascinating as all fuck and at times radio was used and before that people walking to places to synchronize to a known good watch.

Although I'd like all these fancy new electronics to not also have fucking shit for time keeping accuracy but that's a pipe dream. Watch making and repair is a dying art.

 

[Bonesjones]

I prefer an hour of darkness before most common folk get to work. Despite a growing nigger with their led headlights on permanently outbreak, I find it more manageable than the sun skull fucking you on your daily drive.

Real geniuses just move east of their morning work schedule.

 

[Town Drunk]

If I was god emperor I'd just set one time zone. Probably GMT. Oh no, I'm used to going to work at 7 AM, now it's 15:00 and I get off at 3:00. You'll adapt.

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

Even if everyone used an international time, it'd still need converting. I'd rather hear "I wake up at 5am and feel fucked, bruh" from an American than "I wake up at 11pm" and have to go "wait, in my time that's-"

Yeah this

Time is important for social reasons.

Having it split into large chunks that are all operating at the same time means people aren't late for their job interview just because they live a 20 minute drive to the west.

If you hear a news story from halfway across the world and they mention an event happening at 3 pm, everyone knows that's mid-afternoon. If mid-afternoon happens at 11 pm in your city, shit would get confusing pretty quickly.

UTC exists but local time zones still exist for a good reason.

 

[Otterly]

like you would set your alarm to SR-0:30 to wake up 30 minutes before sunrise and start your job at SR+0:00 if you're a blue collar worker and SR+2:00 if you're a white collar worker, then work the length of your shift then go home and have supper at SS-1:00

I see you all live Down South where the day length doesn’t change much.
This might be problematic for anyone northern, it’s never completely dark (only civil or nautical twilight if whatever it is) around here for a while in summer.
We should just get rid of daylight savings altogether, but keep time zones. And all the Americans I work with should have a massive poster of said time zones on their walls and be forced to acknowledge that bongs don’t want to attend their afternoon California time meetings.

 

[Slap47]

I find this concept silly.

"Hey guys, sun is coming out a bit later so we go to work at 10 AM now"

literally solves this whole debacle. The system does not need to do anything. It can be static.