Should "gender" be accepted as real, at all? - If you ever said "there are only two genders", you're either clinically retarded, or have been mentally colonised. Or both.

You're asking for datapoints on something I just said is intangible. You're a retard and deserve to be dismissed, sarcastically.
Intangible feefees are unscientific and should be dismissed.
Now, shoo, don't drag the rest of us down with your stupidity
I don't think it's something you can measure objectively like temperature or distance, it's just a term for the cultural and social identities surrounding each biological sex in any particular culture. What may be considered a masculine trait in one culture may be seen as feminine in another, and vice versa, and some cultures have gender concepts that don't correspond to biological sex at all.

The issue of course is these things are cultural and social and change over time as opposed to biological sex which is immutable.

That's the key thing here, though. A man who wears women's clothing and adopts feminine mannerisms is just an effeminate man, not a "trans woman", and vice versa. Even if you truly believe you're that opposite sex, you simply aren't and can't be.
So it's not science and not measurable.
Unlike sex.
Do you agree that science should prevail over inner feelings?
 
You say that like a nomad from the deepest jungle or a time-traveller from the most ancient past wouldn't recognise masculine, feminine, or neither, here and now.
Well, of course they would because it's based on biology. I can still tell a woman's a woman even if she's a totally masculine bull dyke type, same deal with a super-effeminate drag queen.
Intangible feefees are unscientific and should be dismissed.
Now, shoo, don't drag the rest of us down with your stupidity

So it's not science and not measurable.
Unlike sex.
Do you agree that science should prevail over inner feelings?
Absolutely, gender is just a cultural and social concept related to how sex is expressed in any particular culture and evolves and changes over time. There are some pretty weird ones when it comes to grammatical gender, for example in Latin "uterus" is actually a masculine noun. A lot of the time they do tend to line up with real-world sex though.

Biological sex is the sole means by which we should classify men and women. In the super rare cases of genuinely intersex people that's up to them to determine.
 
My dear chap;

Gender I'm afraid is a just a social construct and I am allowed to create as many genders as I like, and if my fellow over the parlor sipping tea agrees with me, why we have a gender. Sex is another matter and I'm afraid the universe has made that one up for itself.

I'm afraid I am a Leftie and we have to grant that anyone is entitled to make up whatever gender they like. Why not have 5 or 5? It doesn't mean we like it either, but we recognize it as a fundamental right that you can be bat shit crazy and be a gender of your choosing; just as you can decide you are a fuzzy animal or alien from C-Pax. Subjective doest have to be reality which makes the crazies happy as they create their own little worlds.

We also know this doesn't make a male a female, or a female a male no matter what you add or take away physically. We like the idea of more bizarre genders because it will one day allow us to corral the bat-shits up one day when it becomes politically ethical to do so, so you see my dear there is a game plan afoot.

I know other lefties like me refuse to accept a man can ever become a woman, and we see the lines being blurred as to what a gender is, and what a man and a woman is. I will not deny a man the right to want to look and act like a woman - everyone has that right, but I will not recognize them as "El Dente" either, despite them wanting me to do so.

There are actually persons occupying bodies that do indeed have brains entirely designed to be in other bodies so there are persons of genuine and sincere tragic disfunction who seemed to be overlooked or overshadowed by "tourists" who are just there to wear dresses. The genuine ones who want to change sex are living a real hell and need support and acceptance, but the ones asking to be accepted as a genuine woman after chopping off their dick are asking far too much and if I were in their shoes I too probably would keep demanding it, while deep down knowing I was fighting a battle I can never win because deep down I would know too, that I was still not really a woman.

Our world has bat-shit crazies in them and we have decided long ago sending them to the camps and chambers was a little too harsh and inhumane, so we have to live with them. As long as we give the crazies something to have they should leave us alone, at least that was the plan.

I know I and other lefties draw the lines at granting a converted man who is now a "woman" as being labelled a genuine man while others in our camp think this is entirely wrong and they should be granted this label. I hope we win and they are labelled pretenders and not real women. It will be a source of conflict for some time.

I for example at this time would like to introduce the new gender "Debonaire", who would like to help me define it and get it accepted? I am and always will be a man.
 
Biological sex is the sole means by which we should classify men and women. In the super rare cases of genuinely intersex people that's up to them to determine.
No it's not up to them.
We can still measure intersex people as belonging to one of the two in the binary.
The sex remains binary even for them, look it up.
Intersex people should not, however, be bullied like the horrendous LGBTQs who have not proven to be "born this way" at all, and many of the modern queers literally identify as some sort of degraded deviant to trigger the chuds and look speshul, nothing else.
Intersex people simply drew the short straw at the genetic or pregnancy hormone cocktail lottery, and ended up with a genetic syndrome or some other dysfunctionality/abnormality of sex development.
In short, it's not their fault and they should be treated like any other patient, with kindness and compassion.
Which I cannot say for trannies and everyone else that does not admit they suffer from a paraphilia and likely other mental illnesses that have to be treated, NOT normalized.
 
No it's not up to them.
We can still measure intersex people as belonging to one of the two in the binary.
The sex remains binary even for them, look it up.
Intersex people should not, however, be bullied like the horrendous LGBTQs who have not proven to be "born this way" at all, and many of the modern queers literally identify as some sort of degraded deviant to trigger the chuds and look speshul, nothing else.
Intersex people simply drew the short straw at the genetic or pregnancy hormone cocktail lottery, and ended up with a genetic syndrome or some other dysfunctionality/abnormality of sex development.
In short, it's not their fault and they should be treated like any other patient, with kindness and compassion.
Which I cannot say for trannies and everyone else that does not admit they suffer from a paraphilia and likely other mental illnesses that have to be treated, NOT normalized.
No argument there. These intersex situations are so rare anyways I don't know how anyone could use them to argue in favor of transgenderism.

Not to mention it suggests they both originate in genetic defects which is almost certainly the case for these types of disorders. Of course, this is also the only medical condition I'm aware of where the suggested course of treatment is removal of a perfectly healthy part of the body.
 
No argument there. These intersex situations are so rare anyways I don't know how anyone could use them to argue in favor of transgenderism.

Not to mention it suggests they both originate in genetic defects which is almost certainly the case for these types of disorders. Of course, this is also the only medical condition I'm aware of where the suggested course of treatment is removal of a perfectly healthy part of the body.
Often for intersex a surgical "correction" is similarly performed (sometimes after birth), usually after talking to the parents. Sadly medicine is imperfect and barely 200-ish yrs old in its more modern form so some of our interventions are rather barbaric, but we're improving steadily. The SRS and even HRT are not just often barbaric, but deeply misguided and heavily politicized, which cannot really be said about most other surgeries. The studies are few, the data is cherrypicked and melodrama surrounds the field.
 
Do you agree that science should prevail over inner feelings?
Obviously not. That's how one eats her children because the science says she'll otherwise starve even when the inner feelings are love.

Well, of course they would because it's based on biology. I can still tell a woman's a woman even if she's a totally masculine bull dyke type, same deal with a super-effeminate drag queen.
Even if the nomad came from a culture where the genders describe animate and inanimate (rather than masculine and feminine), even if the time-traveller came from a culture where "the Ship" and "the Maiden" are both neuter (rather than both feminine), here and now they would catch onto what we mean as they learn the language. Because gender is based on language. Even trannies understand what we mean and that's why they call themselves "trans"; in that context, "trans" is a euphemism for "fake".

Anyways, doesn't everyone already know that the very best trannies LARP as TERFs while the best of the worst LARP as detrans?
 
Intangible feefees are unscientific
So is faith, personal responsibility, work ethic, morality, and social standing, but I don't see anybody insisting that they don't exist just because they can't be measured. The problem isn't that you're an idiot, the problem is that you get so worked up at the idea of things that upset you (ie. men in dresses) that you start honking and hollering mindlessly and your ability to understand basic concepts like intangibility seems to shut right off.
 
So is faith, personal responsibility, work ethic, morality, and social standing, but I don't see anybody insisting that they don't exist just because they can't be measured. The problem isn't that you're an idiot, the problem is that you get so worked up at the idea of things that upset you (ie. men in dresses) that you start honking and hollering mindlessly and your ability to understand basic concepts like intangibility seems to shut right off.
Stop being a low IQ sperg.
Neither of those are science.
Morality is highly subjective.
We don't use highly subjective pseudo-measurements when we're dealing with serious things, like separating uterus havers from testicle owners.
I've dealt with your kind before in the hospital.
Your delusions of social "science" and post-modern made up bs collapse the second you have an actual illness and you realize that you cannot imagine a bone fracture away and you cannot self-ID as not having a gastrointestinal ulcer.
Wait did you just mention FAITH in a scientific discussion.
Ahhhhahhhhahahahah no please stop
 
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No shit, retard. Gender is sociology, what the fuck does science have to do with any of this?
Then GTFO off MEDICAL SCIENCE you spergs lmao
You WILL be classified by sex. No we will not indulge and enable your psychotic GI disorders.
We will medicate you into oblivion so we get rid of your poisonous deconstructive opinions.
 
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Then GTFO off MEDICAL SCIENCE you spergs lmao
You WILL be classified by sex. No we will not indulge and enable your psychotic GI disorders.
We will medicate you into oblivion so we get rid of your poisonous deconstructive opinions.
I never once mentioned medical science or trannies, I said gender is real because 'real' and 'intangible' don't mean the same thing.

Are you ESL or just seething so hard you can't comprehend that very simple statement?
 
Stop being a low IQ sperg.
Neither of those are science.
Morality is highly subjective.
We don't use highly subjective pseudo-measurements when we're dealing with serious things, like separating uterus havers from testicle owners.
I've dealt with your kind before in the hospital.
Your delusions of social "science" and post-modern made up bs collapse the second you have an actual illness and you realize that you cannot imagine a bone fracture away and you cannot self-ID as not having a gastrointestinal ulcer.
Wait did you just mention FAITH in a scientific discussion.
Ahhhhahhhhahahahah no please stop
Morality actually isn't all that subjective. Most morals stem from cause and effect. If you gave someone poison to treat an illness and it healed them instead of hurt them, the moral thing to do is to give it to people who need it to cure an ailment. Epinephrine is just such a thing. You do it otherwise and you will likely kill someone. The morally wrong thing would be to hurt or kill them. We do this because genetically speaking, our fellow people are more valuable alive than dead, this is even why humans enslaved people instead of killed them. Morality is simply a nature of "If this causes greater harm than good" then it's bad to do it and we teach it socially because some humans are too retarded not to stick their dicks in light sockets, let alone kill people. Telling idiots in the past through religion that pork was the devil meat and evil was because they didn't understand that the parasites and shit in pork was more transmissible than most other ruminants at the times.

And to Dyn, as far as social standing, it's a given that people will work more with those that prove trustworthy, helpful and skillful than not, and if someone likes you (which is all celebrities, lets face it) then it also dictates social standing. Humans are social creatures, social standing is not even close to unmeasurable.
 
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Morality actually isn't all that subjective. Most morals stem from cause and effect. If you gave someone poison to treat an illness and it healed them instead of hurt them, the moral thing to do is to give it to people who need it to cure an ailment. Epinephrine is just such a thing. You do it otherwise and you will likely kill someone. The morally wrong thing would be to hurt or kill them. We do this because genetically speaking, our fellow people are more valuable alive than dead, this is even why humans enslaved people instead of killed them. Morality is simply a nature of "If this causes greater harm than good" then it's bad to do it and we teach it socially because some humans are too retarded not to stick their dicks in light sockets, let alone kill people. Telling idiots in the past through religion that pork was the devil meat and evil was because they didn't understand that the parasites and shit in pork was more transmissible than most other ruminants at the times.

And to Dyn, as far as social standing, it's a given that people will work more with those that prove trustworthy, helpful and skillful than not, and if someone likes you (which is all celebrities, lets face it) then it also dictates social standing. Humans are social creatures, social standing is not even close to unmeasurable.
OK then I choose the highly unsubjective, deeply objective Wahhabi morality
 
OK then I choose the highly unsubjective, deeply objective Wahhabi morality
It works for that society. Morals are all cause and effect, if it didn't work, people would abandon it and try something else. Many of our old morals have changed and people have argued morals don't exist because they change with location and the times. Morals are just the general rules we apply to ourselves in our culture that ensure we don't destroy it. Cause and Effect.
 
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It works for that society. Morals are all cause and effect, if it didn't work, people would abandon it and try something else. Many of our old morals have changed and people have argued morals don't exist because they change with location and the times. Morals are just the general rules we apply to ourselves in our culture that ensure we don't destroy it. Cause and Effect.
You have a point.
Maybe we should merge it into Orthobro Vatnik Imperialism so we can better adapt it for Yurop.
There, I fixed the decapitations and throwing gays off the roof morals.
 
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You have a point.
Maybe we should merge it into Orthobro Vatnik Imperialism so we can better adapt it for Yurop.
There, I fixed the decapitations and throwing gays of the roof morals.
I think London's faggot mayor would love you.
Anybody who insists there are more than two genders needs to be asked a simple question: How many genders are there?

You'll never get a concrete answer. Which means they're really just describing "personality" when they gender. They're just retarded.
This is unironically true, they describe what their personality is and what they like to fuck at the same time with it basically.
 
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Morality actually isn't all that subjective.
It absolutely is. What you've offered is your own interpretation of morality, and if you told it to a norse warchief or a 17th century slaveholder, or a Mennonite laypreacher, they would laugh in your face because of how wrong they think you are. Not all morals originated around "this is best for society", there were societies that saw personal glory-seeking at the expense of others to be the ultimate goal of life, there were societies that considered the proliferation of dynasty to be the most noble and moral pursuit of man, and there were societies that willingly sought out their own death and destruction for the glory of God. Morality is very subjective.

Anybody who insists there are more than two genders needs to be asked a simple question: How many genders are there?

You'll never get a concrete answer.
Three.
 
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