Should SRS be illegal? - Discuss ethics on tranny-self mutilation here.

[NoSpiceLife]

Civilised countries like Iran only allow sexual reassignment surgery in cases where the victim has indicated a true and honest desire to be of the opposite sex- i.e. being a homosexual.

Yes but just as in the religious conservative parent cases, that's it's better to have a daughter/son that was a son/daughter, than have a gay child. Homophobia is alive and well all over the world, not just in muslim countries.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Trannies should be made to pit fight and the survivors only given SRS when the viewers have donated enough to pay for it.

"Two men enter! One man leaves!"

You mean one woman surely...

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

You mean one woman surely...

Well it would be one man leaves up to the point you'd raised the cash for SRS from donations after necessary deductions, like the gruel you fed them on (initially $100 per serving later is increased to $200 with no explanation), board and lodging in the ergastulum ($2000 a day), fines for unenthusiastic performances ($20,000), fines for overly enthusiastic performances ($20,000), miscellaneous blatantly unfair fees levied for the amusement of the fans and to make them have to fight for another whole year (varies).

 

[ZG 241]

Trannies should be made to pit fight and the survivors only given SRS when the viewers have donated enough to pay for it.

"Two men enter! One man leaves!"

That would result in all the daintier trannies, the ones that have been bullied for being feminine and faggots their entire lives getting killed by the Macho Ma'am Tranny Savages, eliminating all those who have a fighting chance of passing and leaving only the big hulking ogres. That said, it's not necessarily a bad thing. If the majority of troons are terrifying, violent quarterbacks, the tide will turn against them a little quicker.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

That would result in all the daintier trannies, the ones that have been bullied for being feminine and faggots their entire lives getting killed by the Macho Ma'am Tranny Savages, eliminating all those who have a fighting chance of passing and leaving only the big hulking ogres. That said, it's not necessarily a bad thing. If the majority of troons are terrifying, violent quarterbacks, the tide will turn against them a little quicker.

This is an excellent point. You'd need a form of contest where the Blaire White type True and Honest transwomen beat the Yaniv types.

Not that I'd send Ms White to The Games of course or indeed anyone else, in fact I'm not sure why I mentioned it. Now if you'll excuse me I've got a Space Colosseum to construct and gene spliced Super Velociraptors to order.

 

[AF 802]

Yes, all of it.

If you would've asked me in 2015, I might've said no, but now that since I'm supposed to acknowlege that transwomen are bioligically women or lose my ability to live a normal life, I've become redpilled and now believe trans people (especially the MtFs) really should have it taken away from them until they stop believing that it changes their gender chromosomes to have hormones injected into them.

 

[Bum Driller]

Such procedures should be legal, but only when performed to sane and balanced adults and only if no tax-payer money is used in making them. However, what is more important in my opinion is that they should not be called SRS, but rather some kind of cosmetic surgery. We should make it very clear to everyone that you're not really changing your gender/sex by getting these operations performed to you, as such is impossible with our current level of technology and scientific know-how. If things drastically change and we can at some point literally rewrite living humans chromosomal make-up, then my opinion on this subject is bound to be re-evaluated, but I don't suspect such to happen anytime soon.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Such procedures should be legal, but only when performed to sane and balanced adults and only if no tax-payer money is used in making them. However, what is more important in my opinion is that they should not be called SRS, but rather some kind of cosmetic surgery. We should make it very clear to everyone that you're not really changing your gender/sex by getting these operations performed to you, as such is impossible with our current level of technology and scientific know-how. If things drastically change and we can at some point literally rewrite living humans chromosomal make-up, then my opinion on this subject is bound to be re-evaluated, but I don't suspect such to happen anytime soon.

For someone who frequently gives what I consider stupid ratings to various people's posts, this is a remarkably thoughtful position.

 

[Apis mellifera]

It shouldn't be illegal, it is a man's god-given right to exercise free will and do what he will with his own life and fleshy body, same as I have the free will to theoretically pick up a hammer and repeatedly smash my left hand with it. I wouldn't ever do such a thing because that sounds incredibly stupid and I need that hand, but I'm still legally allowed to do so. That said, it should be entirely self-funded (not covered by the dutiful taxpayer) and be presented as it really is, a pretty pisspoor attempt to replicate the appearance of a vagina, which comes with all the risks to be expected of such a major procedure.

Nanny laws are obnoxious and unnecessary constructions made by the glowies to be able to exercise authority over the common man and make their neon penises feel bigger. Fuck more unneeded regulation, I want glowies involved in the citizen's private life less, not more, same reason I hate gun control laws and support substance decriminalisation.

 

[Lemmingwise]

It shouldn't be illegal, it is a man's god-given right to exercise free will and do what he will with his own life and fleshy body, same as I have the free will to theoretically pick up a hammer and repeatedly smash my left hand with it. I wouldn't ever do such a thing because that sounds incredibly stupid and I need that hand, but I'm still legally allowed to do so. That said, it should be entirely self-funded (not covered by the dutiful taxpayer) and be presented as it really is, a pretty pisspoor attempt to replicate the appearance of a vagina, which comes with all the risks to be expected of such a major procedure

I think there is a huge distance between not prosecuting people for something "making it illegal" and doing nothing when an entire industry and degenerates that prey on vulnerable young people and results in them being groomed sexually, being coerced into doing irreperable damage to their bodies, and creating ideological media in order to get them to swallow queer ideology. Queer theory after all had almost all of its founders advocate for pedophilia, the founding document defends pedophilia and none of the founders nor any significant amount of its later adherants have diatanced themselves from the pro pedophilia arguments.

Certainly before I saw through all this shit and was in the middle of two queer communities I had started to notice the extreme nonjudgement towards sexual deviancy, but when I discovered that they weren't anti pedophilia, none of the people I knew, I left them all behind in disgust. Discovering later that they didnt deviate from queer theory but were true to its roots was stunning. Their media savviness struck me as well, as they knew how to present themselves very well to make themselves appealing and to not show those kind of things. And there was always a tv, radio program or something that was willing to highlight what they did, no matter how insignificant.

What I'm saying is that it isn't wrong to have opinions or strong opinions on these things. Smoking isnt illegal, but its very good for health that the practice was mostly curbed. Sugar and obesity isnt illegal, but many people could live better lives if more of society was designed for it; which is why americans are so much fatter than other people for example. There is a lot in the public space that can and even should be tweaked. And pro pedo movements that want seduce kids into destroying their bodies should probably be on top of that list.

 

[Apis mellifera]

I think there is a huge distance between not prosecuting people for something "making it illegal" and doing nothing when an entire industry and degenerates that prey on vulnerable young people and results in them being groomed sexually, being coerced into doing irreperable damage to their bodies, and creating ideological media in order to get them to swallow queer ideology. Queer theory after all had almost all of its founders advocate for pedophilia, the founding document defends pedophilia and none of the founders nor any significant amount of its later adherants have diatanced themselves from the pro pedophilia arguments.

Certainly before I saw through all this shit and was in the middle of two queer communities I had started to notice the extreme nonjudgement towards sexual deviancy, but when I discovered that they weren't anti pedophilia, none of the people I knew, I left them all behind in disgust. Discovering later that they didnt deviate from queer theory but were true to its roots was stunning. Their media savviness struck me as well, as they knew how to present themselves very well to make themselves appealing and to not show those kind of things. And there was always a tv, radio program or something that was willing to highlight what they did, no matter how insignificant.

What I'm saying is that it isn't wrong to have opinions or strong opinions on these things. Smoking isnt illegal, but its very good for health that the practice was mostly curbed. Sugar and obesity isnt illegal, but many people could live better lives if more of society was designed for it; which is why americans are so much fatter than other people for example. There is a lot in the public space that can and even should be tweaked. And pro pedo movements that want seduce kids into destroying their bodies should probably be on top of that list.

You have my agreement, obviously. The topic of the thread is as to whether an independent, adult, presumably intellectually functioning human should be allowed to undergo SRS or otherwise make drastic, and probably stupid, decisions regarding their health, which is all that I chose to comment on.

I do absolutely agree that we should take care to make sure our next generation isn't be groomed into making decisions they can't adequately consent to, but beyond protecting the vulnerable, the general health or relative degeneracy of our overall society doesn't matter much to me. There will always be degenerate queer people into farting or belly fat, or whatever, and that's their perogative; I don't care much about the private lives or individual decisions of many, unless they are my close IRL family or friends, and as long as I don't have to be involved in it, pop culture can progress in any way it sees fit, even if I personally find it repulsive. The actions of others are out of my control and it seems to be entirely a waste of time and energy to try to dictate their political persuasion, much less decisions regarding their own body.

 

[Ilmseil]

LMAO every single one of these faggots 100% deserves what happens to them for thinking they're God

 

[Ilmseil]

Look at it this way too: humans have been messing with their bodies in all kinds of fucked up ways for centuries. At least in this case you have someone who's a consenting adult who's doing this willingly, seeking out a professional, in a sterile environment. This isn't like footbinding, FGM, or Chinese eunuchs.

Someone mentioned lobotomies? The method was basically take an icepick, jam it through someone's eye socket and swirl around. The guy who was most famous for it would travel around with a screwdriver in his pocket, and perform them on the go. And they were done for the flimsiest of reasons. No tests, or examinations, nothing. A lot of times it was because the person was an embarassment to the family, and most likely would have grown of their behavior, or could have benefited more from counseling. (Like poor Rosemary Kennedy)

In fact, I'd be willing to bet more than a few of the victims of this treatment were LGBT. Very sickening chapter in this history of psychiatry.

I'd rather be lobotomized than be a faggot

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

It shouldn't be illegal, it is a man's god-given right to exercise free will and do what he will with his own life and fleshy body, same as I have the free will to theoretically pick up a hammer and repeatedly smash my left hand with it. I wouldn't ever do such a thing because that sounds incredibly stupid and I need that hand, but I'm still legally allowed to do so. That said, it should be entirely self-funded (not covered by the dutiful taxpayer) and be presented as it really is, a pretty pisspoor attempt to replicate the appearance of a vagina, which comes with all the risks to be expected of such a major procedure.

Nanny laws are obnoxious and unnecessary constructions made by the glowies to be able to exercise authority over the common man and make their neon penises feel bigger. Fuck more unneeded regulation, I want glowies involved in the citizen's private life less, not more, same reason I hate gun control laws and support substance decriminalisation.

At what point are you deemed to really have free will, or just compelled by insanity to self-harm? There's a difference between a terminally ill patient of sound mind carefully choosing euthanasia, and someone committing suicide because they think they're worthless and deserve it, or they think that aliens will blow up the Earth if they don't.

It's certainly debatable, but I think that point where you can be declared mentally ill and unable to give consent is way before you start wanting to have your healthy genitals cut off. There's the social aspect to it too, but it's like any cult that practises self-injury or mass suicide, or more closely, the Skoptsy cult, those people were pretty clearly brainwashed or otherwise fucked in the head and needed psychiatric care and real friends instead of the cult.

 

[Ilmseil]

At what point are you deemed to really have free will, or just compelled by insanity to self-harm? There's a difference between a terminally ill patient of sound mind carefully choosing euthanasia, and someone committing suicide because they think they're worthless and deserve it, or they think that aliens will blow up the Earth if they don't.

It's certainly debatable, but I think that point where you can be declared mentally ill and unable to give consent is way before you start wanting to have your healthy genitals cut off. There's the social aspect to it too, but it's like any cult that practises self-injury or mass suicide, or more closely, the Skoptsy cult, those people were pretty clearly brainwashed or otherwise fucked in the head and needed psychiatric care and real friends instead of the cult.

How DARE you tell me not to literally saw off my cock and have a "surgeon" saw a hole in my crotch area then tell me to fuck off as a suppurating wound festers and expels shit and pus while you call me mentally ill???

 

[Kiwisee]

No, I don’t think it should be illegal but the medical community need to be far more honest about what this procedure actually is, contrary to what TRAs claim.

It’s surreal to think that just a decade ago, SRS surgeons were far more fourth coming to potential patients about the downsides of SRS surgeries and often made it as clear as day that it’s a cosmetic surgery above all else. Because it’s a cosmetic surgery, it’s not going to look like the real thing; which has the potential to make you more dysphoric than before.

The 41% suicide statistic generally comes from post-op trans people rather than pre-op, contrary to the lies activists tell. Why? Because there’s a lot of trans people who think transitioning will solve all their problems, but in reality the majority of post op end up far worse off than they were before.

Of course asking for honesty is too much to ask these days

 

[Sprocket]

Degenerates willingly removing themselves from the gene-pool and permanently destroying their own ability to coom. By their own choice.

What's the problem again?

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

No, I don’t think it should be illegal but the medical community need to be far more honest about what this procedure actually is, contrary to what TRAs claim.

It’s surreal to think that just a decade ago, SRS surgeons were far more fourth coming to potential patients about the downsides of SRS surgeries and often made it as clear as day that it’s a cosmetic surgery above all else. Because it’s a cosmetic surgery, it’s not going to look like the real thing; which has the potential to make you more dysphoric than before.

The 41% suicide statistic generally comes from post-op trans people rather than pre-op, contrary to the lies activists tell. Why? Because there’s a lot of trans people who think transitioning will solve all their problems, but in reality the majority of post op end up far worse off than they were before.

Of course asking for honesty is too much to ask these days

People talk shit about the forums, but these surgeons are the real transphobes. The worst we've done is gossip among ourselves and make fun of things that troons put out publicly online, as far as I know no Kiwis have ever done that to someone.

 

[YourFriendlyLurker]

In public heathcare? Totally. For minors? Totally. But for deranged adults - no plz. let them do that, I need my daily portion of LUL

 

[kittyfucker]

They are going to do it anyways so you may as well have it be provided... lest they do the "shotgun orchiectomy" method...
100% illegal on minors and 100% NOT funded by public healthcare though. It has to be EXTREMELY hard to get into, but still possible - we're talking years long waiting lists and several doctors 'approving' it - and they make sure you are COMPLETELY AWARE of ALL side effects. At that point if you STILL go in and still have your clit/dick inverted... it really is your fault.

People can straight up do coke(?) in those Scandinavian(??) countries, but no one wants to do it because it's easy now and there are so many good resources for quitting/weaning/etc. But, those that do it anyway are safer and better cared for and typically won't die from it. Same logic should apply here but obviously more restricted.