Should the guy pay for everything on a date?

Trasha Pay That A$$ said:
Whoever asks, pays. Unless your date is a night out at the bar, then it's more natural to go back and forth on who picks up the round. I'm not the type to like a dinner and movie date though, so maybe it works there too.
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Yup, if I was the one to bring up going on a date, it meant I had money to pay for it. I think it's also rude to say "Hey. lets go out and eat at this steak house." And than sit there andexpect him to pay when it was your idea.
 
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If a woman offers to pay, I am grateful. Dates get expensive so it's a nice gesture.

Not that many women I know are interested in dates, though. Most of them come over to play video games. Steak is great and all but killing orcs is what long relationships are built on. We can always take turns ordering the pizzas.
 
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The first one is always on me (since I'm usually the one inviting), then it depends on how much money she has and where are we going.
 
lmao DSP-tards were able to get married thanks to mail brides. No reason to give roasties attention.
 
I usually go into a first date assuming that I am going to be paying for everything. If the girl wants to pay, then idrc, but if they get fussy over who had what, percentages, etc., then im gonna assume theyre an asshole who is constantly doing some sort of dating calculus in their brain about everything going on and not trying to just have a good time. Back when i was a teen you were fully expected as a guy to pay for everything. over the last few decades shit has changed and girls make more now. basically, i dont want someone being put over a barrel, date or not, if im going out to lunch or a movie with them, so why not pick up the tab?

I find that the people who are most concerned about who pays for what and putting hard limits on spending are the kinda people who have difficulty getting laid. theyre looking for formulas for predicting human behavior when all you have to do is be fun to talk to, hygienic and not have deformaties.
 
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Both should pay. Unless there's a second date, then I think if the man offers to pay, the woman pays on the second date so not only one person keeps paying.
 
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I'm gonna go with the flow on this one and say the instigator of the date should pay, at least the first time.

The old fashioned thing where the dude buys dinner and then depending on how expensive it was the woman owes him some amount of sexual favors, but it's all unspoken, just seems like a weird form of sexual bartering that I'd prefer not to get involved in.

But then women are kinda taught that they can't "Give it away for nothing" so the transactional nature of sex is unfortunately built into our society.

Actually I'd love to hear from some woman kiwis on their own impression of that, I wonder how widespread and how explicit that idea is. I only hear what I hear from women, and observe the limited bits of behavior I see, but I imagine women are much more conscious of this.

Like, do women feel that "giving it away" too easily in a relationship will hurt the future prospects of that relationship?
Are women conditioned to use sex as a bartering tool consciously by anyone, or is it more something that is picked up by society? Or is it just because men usually want sex more than women? Or do you reject the entire notion that women in our society use sex for bartering?
Are women more worried about being judged as a "slut" by men, other women, or does it not matter who it is doing the judging?

For example, as a man, if I were still dating, I would want to have sex as soon as the woman wanted to. I wouldn't be worried that this would adversely affect the relationship (I'd consider it a positive move for the relationship). If the woman hinted at the idea of sex as a reward for spending money on her, it would bother me, as I'd feel the relationship were cheapened, and the woman was not as interested in me as she was in what she could get from me. I would not in any way think less of the woman if she wanted to have sex right away, I wouldn't spend a moment of thought on her being a "slut" for wanting sex as much as I do.
 
Yes.

Women should pretend to make the offer, but if the dude let's you pay anything on a first date, it isn't a date and you aren't someone he is sexually interested in.

One of the great sociological misconceptions of the modern age is that the divorce rate in the country is do to a lack of moral cohesion in the country. The actual reason, studied and written about extensively but never reported on, is that women, on the whole, make more money than men. And it turns out that women who earn more than their husbands file for divorce 3 times as often as the reverse.

3rd wave feminism may have severely warped the relationship between men and women, but biological evolution still demands that men be providers.
 
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Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
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It depends on the person. An old female roommate who was short on cash would date several guys at once for their money. Another was religious and looking only for a husband. I personally place more importance on the relationship than sex, and it’s hard to discern whether someone is just putting on a show for the chance to get lucky. I’ve encountered both men and women who feign interest in relationships just for the sake of hooking up.

It’s not about “giving it away too soon” so much as “I’m incapable of feeling interested unless I know we’re on the same page.”

But if a guy insists on paying for an expensive dinner, and wants to even just make out, I feel like there’s no leeway to turn him down without looking mean.
 
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