Should the world censor Lolicon?

[A Thick Piece of Meat]

lolicon is drawings of children that are girls.

some say it makes people into pedophiles and motivates them to harm and should be censored to protect children

some day it gives them an outlet and nothing should be censored for free speech

I will make a poll too

 

[AMERICA]

it should stay legal so that i know who to avoid. fuck l*licons tbh
loli rots your brain. if loli content is already normalized to someone, they're already too far gone to be saved.

 

[Vatred]

I dislike censorship and love free speech... but I fucking hate pedophiles with a burning passion.
I've heard the argument that lolicon is an outlet to keep predators away from actual little girls, but I think that it can help get creeps into little girls too.
I want to hear more thoughts from my fellow spergs.

 

[Wowcoolusername]

Hear me out, playing devil's advocate here: lots of illegal things are animated (such as murder, kidnapping, or drug use). So long as its not acted upon, what harm does it do? The same line of thinking leads to people wanting to ban video games because it leads to school shootings or some shit.

Real talk tho: death to all pedophiles.

 

[Bongocat]

Erotica involving kids should probably be banned on principle, however, there are problems with banning it. Specifically WHAT to ban. It's a point that I don't hear brought up much in this technical way.

Proponents say "it's just a drawing" and opponents say "It's a drawing of children". The problem is that you often can't tell. Because they are drawings, they don't follow true life anatomy and in hentai, "lolis" are often indistinguishable from petite women. There was an actual court case about this in Austria (look it up with a vpn or something). A man ordered a body pillow with a loli on it and he was arrested for "child porn". The defense broke down the anatomy of the butt flab of the cartoon character and stated that it was impossible for an actual child to present these traits, and she shared more in common with an adult woman despite the appearance of the face.

So what do you ban, exactly? Do they just not label it loli and call it good? Do you only deal with the extreme age cases? Do you bring in a "ministry of porn" to study the anatomy of the drawings and make sure their butt flab is drawn correctly?

 

[Zarael]

Of course it should. That said we're well down the rabbit hole already and the concept of maintaining some standard of public decency has gone completely out the window so if you're one of those types who thinks there's no harm in dragging your homosexual lover down the street chained up in a gimp costume then you'll probably have a hard time justifying this. Obviously there are lots of things that should be prohibited for the public good but simply aren't because "muh freedoms" so I don't expect there to be any line that eventually won't be crossed

 

[mr.moon1488]

One thing that always amazes me about the people who argue that loli should be banned is that they're never the same people who argue that homosexuality should be banned. This in spite of the fact that homosexuals account for 2% of the global population, but 33% of the pedophilia convictions, and the fact that one group of degenerates parades actual children around in lewd attire, while the other just cooms to dumb shit online.

 

[Weed Eater]

If you want to censor lolicon, then hold people to that standard when it comes to 3D/IRL porn. No more "newly 18" pornstars, no more schoolgirl roleplaying in the private bedroom. It's either all or nothing, no in between.
My other hot take is the fact that I remember when people made distinctions to this sort of work. Obvious child figures can be easily distiguishable, but at the same time when I think of a general loli I'm just thinking of an ambiguously aged female. Nothing exactly flat, nothing exactly "elementary" about it. Just a small looking girl with big enough cheeks on the face. I've seen and known many who can easily take on that appearance despite being of U.S. drinking age.
Then again too, I also don't see a huge reason to be talking about personal fetish details or whatnot to others. If you enjoy loli/shota, you do you, I just don't want to hear about it. Same goes for anyone "vanilla" either, it just isn't important to me. I'll also argue that pedophiles will try to do much more than only get off from 2D childlike or "obvious child" imagery. They're going to be talking to "maturely brained" young teen girls/boys. They'll be spying on their youngest family members, and maybe speaking up about such things if they trust someone enough. I sadly know firsthand. :/

 

[Fields Of Rye]

I think there's a key thing everyone often misses with this which is the degree of separation and the aspects of radicalization that occur when groups organize.

Banning lolicon is often not an all or nothing state. ULMF. F95. Various hosting sites all have caveats that ban loli, ban loli posters, but will happily host things that are clearly loli in disguise. Often with weak, but still existent caveats. But those caveats drive an important aspect.

You will be hard pressed to find a video game where murdering people is A. The purpose. B. Portrayed as a good thing. And C. Having a serious tone. People don't go to the store to buy the newest murder simulator. Or in other words, people buying GTA are not doing it to steal cars. It's the wacky fucking sandbox. So it's not really a proper comparison.

The degree of separation is the most important part. You can have childish looking artwork and write that off as style. You can claim the person is (enter minimum age of consent). Regardless, so long as people who say "I like that it's a child" aren't allowed to congregate, it's fine.

The solution therefor, is not banning an artstyle. It's banning lolicons. It's banning people who identify and organize around the personality, and if you doubt this exists keep an eye out for the next time someone on a discord shittalks loli and someone yells for their merry men to start posting graphs about fertility or some shit.

Because when those people get together is when you get shit. Thats how you get MAPS and diddlers. And INB4 study its called in-group radicalization, and it's literally basic bitch sociology 101. And if you want something specific, you've never worked in academia, because good god if you tried to get a double blind study approved you would get fucking shot by the IRB.

And if you doubt, go to /HGG. Go play their mod for Corruption of Champions. Go take a look at the sims 4 modding community thread. The moment you allow lolicons to congregate they go from "I just like the art style" to "I just like the touhou characters" to "text based British Loli Survivor Horror" to "The LonaRPG".

So yeah. We shouldn't be removing anything that isn't dead eyed SFM porn. But when someone looks you head on and says "I want to have sex with this virtual child" it's time to set some fires and watch them burn.

 

[Bongocat]

I think there's a key thing everyone often misses with this which is the degree of separation and the aspects of radicalization that occur when groups organize.

Banning lolicon is often not an all or nothing state. ULMF. F95. Various hosting sites all have caveats that ban loli, ban loli posters, but will happily host things that are clearly loli in disguise. Often with weak, but still existent caveats. But those caveats drive an important aspect.

The degree of separation is the most important part. You can have childish looking artwork and write that off as style. You can claim the person is (enter minimum age of consent). Regardless, so long as people who say "I like that it's a child" aren't allowed to congregate, it's fine.

The solution therefor, is not banning an artstyle. It's banning lolicons. It's banning people who identify and organize around the personality, and if you doubt this exists keep an eye out for the next time someone on a discord shittalks loli and someone yells for their merry men to start posting graphs about fertility or some shit.

Because when those people get together is when you get shit. Thats how you get MAPS and diddlers. And INB4 study its called in-group radicalization, and it's literally basic bitch sociology 101. And if you want something specific, you've never worked in academia, because good god if you tried to get a double blind study approved you would get fucking shot by the IRB.

And if you doubt, go to /HGG. Go play their mod for Corruption of Champions. Go take a look at the sims 4 modding community thread. The moment you allow lolicons to congregate they go from "I just like the art style" to "I just like the touhou characters" to "text based British Loli Survivor Horror" to "The LonaRPG".

So yeah. We shouldn't be removing anything that isn't dead eyed SFM porn. But when someone looks you head on and says "I want to have sex with this virtual child" it's time to set some fires and watch them burn.

While that's probably a good policy, I think we're mostly talking about law. The law would have to criminalize the materials themselves or else make being a proponent of it illegal. At least in the US I don't think there's precedent for that.

 

[The Last Stand]

Somebody investigate OP.

 

[Wowcoolusername]

You will be hard pressed to find a video game where murdering people is A. The purpose. B. Portrayed as a good thing. And C. Having a serious tone. People don't go to the store to buy the newest murder simulator.

A. Call of Duty.
B. Call of Duty.
C. Call of Duty.

Lol, doodie.

 

[Nobue]

While that's probably a good policy, I think we're mostly talking about law. The law would have to criminalize the materials themselves or else make being a proponent of it illegal. At least in the US I don't think there's precedent for that.

There was, but the Supreme Court overturned it.

 

[I Love Beef]

If you find anime girls strictly or absolutely to be analogue to real underage b&, I find there's something wrong with you.

 

[Weed Eater]

If you find anime girls strictly or absolutely to be analogue to real underage b&, I find there's something wrong with you.

I'm mad at myself for not bringing this up in my own post, this is also a huge point I feel most like to overlook.

 

[special need's H20]

Watch out if they say their 900 years old then that means their a fed.

 

[I Love Beef]

I'm mad at myself for not bringing this up in my own post, this is also a huge point I feel most like to overlook.

Don't be, we're only human.

Creative content still lies in the realm of abstraction. Sure, there are established roles for characters in a story.... but at the end of the episode or book or video, they're yours to mentally deal with as long as you're not going full Chris Chan or fujoshi ship pairing buttfucking voyeur. Visually and off page detail wise, there's nothing to strictly imply anime people are 100% human beings, and even by statement in work. What real life humans do at the end of the day though, speaks a lot more than what they consume.

 

[pleasegoaway]

If you think drawings of anything should be censored, you don't believe in freedom of speech.

 

[Fields Of Rye]

While that's probably a good policy, I think we're mostly talking about law. The law would have to criminalize the materials themselves or else make being a proponent of it illegal. At least in the US I don't think there's precedent for that.

Actually this is probably the easiest standard to enforce out of all of them because it has a clear line on acknowledgement, and the law would be on the actions of the individuals rather than the art itself, which is by far the biggest hangup.

Look at these MOE blobs. Any single one of these could be classified as a loli. Yet canonically 3 are of age in Japan. 2 are legal in the US. Which one of these can you say with confidence is canonically 9 years old? Which is in her mid 30s? Its impossible and there's no way to do it. How the fuck are you going to argue in a court of law that the Ginger wearing a coat and tie is a child but the blue haired one wearing a coat of tie isn't? It's stupid.

But if people are saying they want to bang the 9 year old. The line has clearly been crossed. And if the art in question says "Let's bang the 9 year old". The line is clearly crossed. But if the art is of this has all these characters in a big gay pillow fight and they all look identical and claim to be 25, you don't have to ban it.

 

[Takodachi]

Look man, as long as you arent hurting anyone and/or breaking a law, you do you.
I mean, im still gonna judge you and kindly ask you to stay the fuck away from me, but you do you