Should there be legal provisions for vigilantism? - Call it "preemptive self defense," or "community assisted law enforcement"

[Billy Bob Dick]

My very strong feeling (belief, even) is that vigilante justice should be not only legal, but encouraged under certain specific conditions.

For example, if someone threatens to harm or kill you or your family, you should have the legal rights and protections necessary to hunt the motherfucker down and do them first. There should be the same legal exceptions that exist for self-defense.

Another example would be if someone is wanted for murder, and there's no question of their guilt: video, multiple eyewitnesses, irrefutable evidence, etc. Think Markeith Lloyd, Darrell Brooks, or James Holmes. If a wanted killer is on the run, it should be perfectly legal for average law-abiding citizens to assist police in the manhunt, and if they come across the subject, to shoot him on sight.

What say ye

 

[Troonos]

Nah, the only extrajudicial killings should be the ones intended by the founding fathers.

 

[Muttley]

They're called Self Defense Forces and while it'd be really funny, the spooks would cry about it more than the jews cry about the 6 gorillion

 

[PeachDream]

If someone parks on my lawn I should absolutely be able to get away with fucking with their car.
Little shit like that would be great.
If someone steals from you or gets up in your face and you smack them without doing any real injury that shouldn't result in any serious consequences for you either.

Killing should probably have to go through a formal process first unless there's an imminent threat.

 

[bepples]

For example, if someone threatens to harm or kill you or your family, you should have the legal rights and protections necessary to hunt the motherfucker down and do them first.

This is the same thought process that antifa uses to justify violence against "fascists."

 

[Nancy]

Yes, I propose the following provisions:

1) Absolute proof of guilt (i.e.: they look weird)
2) A credible witness to the event for which vigilante justice is being imposed (i.e.: you heard it from a bloke down the pub who swore he knew for definite)
3) A gut feeling the guy's a nonce

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

The 1st example is just plain murder no matter how you slice it and you can get the cops and lawyers for that anyway and the 2nd one can probably already work with a lawyer anyway.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Until hate speech becomes labeled violence and now people are all allowed to legally attack you in the street because you had a wrongthink.

Also if you're allowed to shoot wanted murderers, are they then free to shoot you back? Because if they haven't been sentenced there could be question of death penalty, parole, etc., and until then they should have the right to protect their own life.

So no, sadly I don't think there's any place for on-the-books vigilantism in the modern world.

 

[Grift Garrison]

They should expand the mutual combat laws. Shit like getting in someones face, fucking with peoples property, blatantly shoplifting, any excessive aggression, etc should be accepted as declaration of mutual combat.

 

[Bogliacci]

You're in the wrong mindset. What TPTB want is to have you vulnerable to criminals with minimal help from law enforcement and maximum punishment for taking the law into your own hands.

 

[Ogre Magi]

What you're basically suggesting is that ethics and morality come before the law in certain situations, which I can fully get behind. But if it's legal it wouldn't be called vigilantism anymore...

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

Yes, I propose the following provisions:

1) Absolute proof of guilt (i.e.: they look weird)
2) A credible witness to the event for which vigilante justice is being imposed (i.e.: you heard it from a bloke down the pub who swore he knew for definite)
3) A gut feeling the guy's a nonce

you're my kind of crazy

But seriously - video proof and/or irrefutable evidence of a nonce doing nonce things, why the fuck can't we just kill them? Living pedophiles are a burden on the system and a pox on society. Put them out of everyone's collective misery.

 

[Ogre Magi]

you're my kind of crazy

But seriously - video proof and/or irrefutable evidence of a nonce doing nonce things, why the fuck can't we just kill them? Living pedophiles are a burden on the system and a pox on society. Put them out of everyone's collective misery.

The problem that arises is when those who do not have the same morals or ethics as you and I try to claim that they acted within our proposed "permitted vigilantism". The law exists to enforce everyone to operate within the same general morals and ethics even if they disagree with them. It would work in a small town (heh) or anywhere else with a population all on the same ethical and moral page, but anything bigger than that small town would likely result in the rule falling apart.

In summary: Niggers would ruin it.

 

[Fever Dreaming]

It should be legal and even promoted to hunt and kill junkies and drug dealers.
Edit: Also should be ok to set their trap houses on fire

 

[ChampFantana]

I'll go one step further. Killing niggers should never incur any criminal charges. Maybe a small fine for improper trash disposal, but that's it.

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

I'll go one step further. Killing niggers should never incur any criminal charges. Maybe a small fine for improper trash disposal, but that's it.

for years I've been playing around with this notion that if someone is wearing gang colors, they should be statutory fair game for law-abiding citizens.

White, black, Hispanic: doesn't matter - if you wear gang colors, FUCK YOU. Here comes the lead sandwich.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

I have always enjoyed how children have free-range to be sociopaths, and only "adults" have any legal responsibility.

A buddies younger brother was being assaulted by a gang of older kids, and when he retaliated against the older kids (all assaults were within 2yrs age difference, and same weight class)... the police only pressed charges against the older brother who defended his brother because he was the only 18 year old in sight (so he should have known better).

 

[Billy Bob Dick]

I have always enjoyed how children have free-range to be sociopaths, and only "adults" have any legal responsibility.

A buddies younger brother was being assaulted by a gang of older kids, and when he retaliated against the older kids (all assaults were within 2yrs age difference, and same weight class)... the police only pressed charges against the older brother who defended his brother because he was the only 18 year old in sight (so he should have known better).

it ought to be legal to kick a kid's ass if there's two or more of them