Should there be the universal right-to-die?

Yes and it should be like make a wish that you get to choose how to die.
Personally i want thrash to play while im on a rocket powered wheelchair, going on loops , jumping a pit of fire and lava, spikes and epicly dunking into a giant crocodile pool so i may do the thumbs up like in terminator before I'm eaten alive.
 
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This older person should still have a right to their life. We all get cranky when older.
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Of course they do, hence why i said Euthanasia is not necessary, they can simply be put in a retirement home or something
To word my point differently: Maybe old people shouldn't be parents for that very same "everyone gets cranky when older" reason.

Oh, and btw, throwing BPD fits 24/7 over minimal imperfections that leave the kids traumatized for life isn't what i would call "cranky".
 
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No, I don't think there should be a right to die, as that opens up the possibility of more authoritarian governments killing off political enemies and then saying they consented to it through such a right.
 
As someone who has seen countless people die of old age and any number of diseases that kill the elderly (dementia, Parkinson's, CHF, etc...) I would say it should be allowed for the elderly and terminally ill under the condition that it's written out prior in very clear directions as to when it is appropriate to euthanize them. No one should have to make the decision about whether or not they're loved one should be euthanized no matter how horrible of a state that person is in. There needs to be written directions from said patient(like a DNR even if it is just a standard document), and approval by physicians, thing is I'm not sure physicians would ok euthanize at all. In my experience physicians do not treat dying patients, these patients are switched over to hospice care because physicians are not comfortable with even easing a patients inevitable death. This might be different elsewhere but my local hospitals won't even allow patients to be admitted to hospice before leaving , they're in the practice of healing people not "giving up on patients".

I understand where physician's come from on this point though, a commitment to life/health and preserving it is fundamental to proper practice of medicine. Allowing yourself to accept defeat even on the most hopeless of cases might slip into you accepting defeat on cases with reasonable but still unlikely odds. Once you cross that line where do you stop? This in many ways is similar to the abortion debate where lines are seemingly drawn arbitrarily, and questions of morality are determined by "science". The fundamental difference between this question and the question of abortion is that the life being terminated is one of a human being who at one point most likely had a semblance of consciousness that could express itself and be recognized by other consciousnesses. That's why I think if this was ever to be instituted it would be key that the individual express in very clearly written form when it is appropriate for their life to be ended, especially before they're in the full grips of whatever afflicts them.


Discussions on euthanasia continue and will continue for a very, very long time. The issue is really ambiguous and acute for modern society. On the website https://studydriver.com/euthanasia/ I read some non-standard opinions from forensic experts about euthanasia.
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Thus, there is a right to death, if it is voluntary.
 
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"Right to death" doesn't need to be somehow codified into law. Just comes as a necessary package deal with the right to self-defense. If you want out, go buy a gun. Practically speaking no one can stop you regardless of how they feel about suicide.
 
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I would have said yes just a couple days ago, but now? If you think you want to die you simply don’t get how funny existence is.

Excluding those with a disease/disorder of course, they can all die.
 
Yes. Barbiturate cockatil parties with nitrogen gas hookahs should be a thing. With rigorous psychological evalution and approval from doctors, of course.

One of my colleagues recently died from cancer. By the time the NHS found out why he'd had a persistent cough, lost weight and got pneumonia he was full of inoperable tumors and the only route left was to make him as comfortable as possible.

He eventualy died of multiple organ failure. I wasn't there, but I'd like to hope he was doped into a blissful coma.

In the weeks before he died I read a book which involved a character who'd tried to off herself by overdosing on painkillers and booze - she died slowly in hospital before being smothered by another character, but the author describes that while she was unconscious or seemingly so, she could feel the agony of her organs shutting down. When she gad the strength to speak, she begged her husband to smother her.

Now, it wasn't a great book but I assume the author had done her research on this subject to write that chapter. When I heard that my colleague had finally died from multiple organ failure I wondered how comfortable or oblivious he had been in his final hours - was he too paralysed from the drugs to express how he was feeling and only seemed to slip away peacefully? This shit is haunting; almost like it's done on purpose so that people who watch their loved ones perish in front if them don't have to be burdened by the possibility that they died in silent agony.

If I end up with terminal cancer, just put me down like a dog. I don't want to get to a point where I turn yellow and swell up with fluid like my grandad did or just be repeatedly pumped with painkillers until my liver quits, or just slowky fucking starve to death, or become delirious like Total Biscuit did in his final days.
 
I'd like to say yes. I've watched some people I love die long drawn out deaths. It was terrible to watch and horrific to go through. I've heard about others who had DNRs ignored who had their ribs crushed during CPR. They spent their last few hours in agonizing pain just so some wanna be hero nurse could feel good about themselves. While I think suicide is a sin, I also believe in free will and there is no higher freedom than bodily autonomy.

However in the current world we live in, with it's youth worship, family breakdown, and corporatist mentality, there is no doubt in my mind that it would lead to the elderly being murdered. We already saw this happen with the frankly horrific treatment of elderly in care homes during COVID-19. The vast majority of healthcare dollars is spent in the last few years of life and every healthcare company would be chomping at the bit to find any excuse to cut those costs.

Then there is the alienation within the modern family. Starting with Gen-X and getting worse with each additional generation, children now see their own parents and grandparents as the enemy. They are seen as the racist bigots who stole all the easy living and abused their innocent children by trying to teach them responsibility and values. Many have stopped talking to their older relatives entirely. With this animosity and their climbing debt is not hard to envision them pushing for a quicker death for their parents.

And then there is the government. The last few years have shown that western governments see their populations as nothing more than consumers at best and burdensome excess for the rest. Western governments are full of WEF and Gates aligned politicians. Both WEF and Gates are open about how the want to drastically reduce the population. "Compassionate" euthanasia would be one of many ways to accomplish this.

It is not a far leap of logic to see this starting with the very sick at deaths door, then moving on to ending ones life before they get so sick, to ending it when the quality of life starts to severely decline. Then moving to those whose lives just kinda suck. We've seen this in the Nordic countries that have allowed euthanasia. They already allow for the previous conditions to receive assisted suicide. I could easily see social pressure developing to push people who cannot work or who are deemed too different to voluntarily end their lives so they no longer burden society.

We are already a culture of youth and consumer worship that are alienated from our elders. Logan's Run is right around the corner.
 
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I'm all for DNR orders because people should be allowed to die naturally, if they're on their way out the door. I don't like government assisted suicide because you'll get things like depressed 12 year olds opting to die and that one munchie woman who got euthanized because her government wouldn't give her an allergy free house.
 
I’ve always believed in a Universal Right To Die. Though, I always fear that people could all too easily make a rash choice that had they lived they may have regretted. So I guess I’m a bit of two kinds on the issue.
 
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Though I'm not comfortable with doctors performing it, I don't see an alternative to those who are physically incapable of doing themselves.
 
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