Should we defund science? - Challenges of defunding the most dangerous force on the planet.

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Many people praise science for the advances it brings to our lives such as medicine, computers, and other useful gadgets. However, as science advances, the destructive power of science increases disproportionately to its benefits. For instance, since the late 1950s or so we've held the power to eliminate human civilization several times over with nuclear weapons and weapons-grade smallpox, anthrax, etc. Science also contributes to the increasing power of evil people such as the oligarchs of the World Economic Forum and their puppet politicians. For instance, they use social media and the internet as a propaganda tool to brainwash vast swathes of society using core exploits in human psychology. The power available to today's evil regimes far exceeds that available to historic dictators like Hitler or Stalin. The Chinese Communist Party of today operates their cruel regime far more efficiently than they did under Mao thanks to science.

The events of 2019-21 onward make a great case for the evil of science. A team of American and Chinese scientists created a manmade disease and "accidently" released it on the world, justifying radical proposals like lockdowns and mask mandates using faulty computer models and selling them to the public with social media manipulation. Later they created experimental mRNA gene therapies as a cure, gene therapies which were branded as "vaccines" using media manipulation and forced on the public using mandatory tracking devices ("vaccine passports") to make the elite billions of dollars. Some people became so addicted to the government taking their rights they even microchipped themselves with vaccine passports, a technology which may became feasible on a large scale in 10-20 years.

Technology's future brings about nothing but evil. The widespread proliferation of the internet and smartphones have robbed us of the concept of privacy since the early 10s. Right now we have cars, houses, and refrigerators connected to the internet which gives corporations/the government the power to shut down your car if they feel like it or set the thermostat to the highest level to "save energy". In the future it will bring us tech like brain-computer interfaces (BCI) which will let corporations/the government inside your head (all so you have the privilege of telepathic communication with your smartphone or a lightswitch). These BCIs, such as those the latest champion of the Right Elon Musk is developing, can theoretically reprogram your entire brain, either temporarily (to make you never question your orders at work) or permanently (so the plebs will never revolt as they work 90 hours a week and eat the bugs). In the future, you will never go anywhere without the powerful knowing where you are and beaming advertisements directly into your head.

This applies to practically everything. For instance, in the near future your money will be digital and secured by blockchains ("Fedcoin") which incidentally means everyone will know what you spend your money on (more data to be harvested). This will make it even easier to be totally financially depersoned and prevent your money from being spent on the wrongthinkers and other "unapproved" purchases. And space, you think space exploration is good? It's objectively not, because soon corporations will take over our skies with satellites that they will use to beam down advertisements. Wanna live forever? Well science will probably let us do that by putting your brain in a jar or curing aging itself, but at the cost of making you a slave to pharmaceutical companies along with the punishment of living in a miserable world full of advanced science used by the elite to run their shitty Brave New World meets 1984 knockoff. At least they'll manipulate your brain chemistry so you will be happy owning nothing.

"Oh, but science is just who uses it" you say, but that's not true anymore, because you will NEVER use science. Science exists to serve the powerful, and always has (since science was always funded by wealthy kings). Yet now the gap between the powerful and weak is so high that the chance at a revolution against these people is rapidly ebbing away. Everyone is just a collection of data sitting in a file somewhere, ready for the government (which today is the police force of megacorporations) to compile at will and prosecute you as needed. You are just a radical, ready to be depersoned with no access to bank accounts or eventually society. Those around you will cheer your obliteration, brainwashed as they are by social media as they are rewarded with upvotes and retweets for their hot takes on how the government should AKSHUALLY put your entire family in the re-education camp instead of just you.

I can go on and on about this problem, but it's universal. It really goes back to when we invented science starting with the invention of agriculture, which led to humans being enslaved to various sorts of priest-kings practically everywhere from the Americas to Europe to China. Now don't get me wrong, I don't think we should return to monke and I don't totally agree with Uncle Ted, but we gotta do something about the science issue before we end up a bunch of subhuman cyborg serfs living in pods. Science will damn us all, either by creating an actual pandemic (all major countries have bioweapons programs), nuclear war, or the most likely future, the future of the elite stomping on the rest of us forever, the one which people think can't happen because BCIs and self-driving cars are "just science fiction" and because Elon Musk owns Twitter and Trump or DeSantis will win in 2024 and save us all.

So what can we do? I think we should start by defunding science and declaring a moratorium on all future scientific research. This should be something almost everyone can agree on, like for instance if you're worried about manmade climate change, than science is the reason that exists to begin with and keeps getting worse. The United States alone wastes hundreds of billions of dollars each year on scientific research that contributes toward damning us all. Now, some of this is for defense purposes, which is where the core problem comes into play--we have to worry about other countries too like China not defunding science and thus taking over the world. International treaties banning certain types of research are impossible to enforce, since the incentive is too great for someone to cheat.

So what solution do we possibly have to stop science from advancing without destroying humanity? Should we defund certain types of science but fund others to do something like make a Skynet-esque program real, a program that would enforce the defunding of science? Or maybe it really is all about social media, and we need to have an anti-science billionaire control social media so they spread anti-science propaganda and convince the NPCs that science is bad so they stop funding it? Do we need a planetary "god", like those computer programs and shit in Star Trek that rule over planets and make them into a planet of farmers or 1920s gangsters or whatever?

What do you think should be done on this problem, Kiwifarms? tl;dr Science is killing society, how do we deal with it?

 

[Phimosis Jonisis]

Naw, but we should defund the private medical industry for their hand in making an entire generation of western children fall under the trans menace

 

[Wormy]

How do you even plan to enforce this? How do you intend to stop me from, say, researching new uses for common herbs found in my region? You have a goon squad funded and ready to go to silence me?

Naw, but we should defund the private medical industry

So no emergency medical services? Hope you never have a traumatic injury and need an EMT.

 

[Dialtone]

So no emergency medical services? Hope you never have a traumatic injury and need an EMT.

Good

 

[Drain Todger]

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for this one. Let me approach this from the perspective of a rich, conniving motherfucker. I'm going to express what the Bill Gateses and Klaus Schwabs of the world feel about all of this on a daily basis, but are too dishonest and secretive to actually tell anyone.

Ready? Go.

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Science isn't killing the world. You are. You are killing the world simply by existing. Every single one of you is taking too many tons of CO2 emissions, too much cotton, copper, niobium, tantalum, lithium, phosphorus - hell, every element on the Periodic Table - to satisfy. You are barely even human. You're a fucking locust, spoiling this planet for many generations to come with your senseless luxuries. If you wanted a good life, you should have been willing to let nine out of every ten of you die, so the other one-in-ten could enjoy the spoils, because this planet is a zero-sum game and we are running out of pie slices to give you. The sea is choked with plastic and homeless people line our streets, not because of us, but because of you. There are too many of you, breeding out of control like rabbits. We've tried everything. Abortion, birth control, pushing women into the workforce, turning your children into fags and lacing their Happy Meals with hormones. Nothing worked. You can't for the life of you keep your ejaculate out of a woman's vagina and your sperm away from her eggs. You just keep multiplying, and multiplying, and multiplying, and you're choking the life out of this world as you do it.

You want free-range, unpasteurized, non-GMO and farm-fresh? You'd all starve if that was the only way we fed people. The only way we can maintain our current crop yields is with pesticide-resistant freak strains. Our agricultural practices are sucking all the nutrients out of the ground and eroding soil, replacing it with useless sand. They're pulling billions of gallons of water out of underground aquifers at faster than recharge rates just to feed you ungrateful creatures. We are losing an area the size of North Korea to desertification, every single year. If things continue as they are, in a hundred years, there will be no more arable land. There will be nothing but sand, everywhere. All the coral reefs will be utterly destroyed, ocean ecosystems will collapse, and our seas will be choked with algae blooms. Billions of you will starve to death, and as you do so, eventually, you'll resort to eating each other.

You want to get rid of nukes? Why, so you can go back to hacking and stabbing and shooting each other like barbarians? The threat of mutually-assured destruction created a period of unprecedented peace, prosperity, and scientific achievement. Before that, people died of tuberculosis, they died of syphilis, they died in trenches. They died in their great heaps and they rotted and stank. People spend considerable energy glorifying warfare and lionizing soldiers and pioneers, and yet, when push comes to shove, nobody wants to be that man who is screaming and crying and holding his best friend's entrails in his hands, or consoling a member of their traveling party who is dying of a snake bite. Have you ever gotten a little cut on your finger that needed antibiotics to treat? If this were a hundred years ago, you could have died from that, too. You could have died like a bitch from a cut on your finger.

Humans are irrational and vile and criminal by nature. Some mothers go insane and drown their children in a bathtub, to say nothing of what drug cartel members to do complete strangers. Would you like to go more than two seconds without hearing about a rape or a machete murder or anything else along those lines? Would you prefer to live in a totally civilized, totally safe world where we no longer hear of people being shot, chainsawed, or skinned alive? We can make that happen. You just have to give up your control over your money, which you could use to purchase things to harm other people with, and you must have the aggression forcibly stripped from you, because you can't be trusted with that, either. Technology makes it impossible for you to be trusted, as a matter of fact. Today, you can order a tiny handful of COTS components and build a cruise missile in your garage with ANFO for a warhead. Tomorrow, with things like DNA printers, you could assemble nucleotides into custom viruses in your basement and kill millions of your fellow human beings for nothing other than your silly traditions and superstitions.

You have two choices. You can either live in the world we've made for you, bound by the chains of servility we place upon you, or you can act like a disobedient child and starve.

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This is them. This is the rich. The neoliberal technocrats. This is what they actually think of you, but are too cowardly to just come right out and say.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You can stop funding science, your country can stop funding science, your continent can stop funding science, but those that don't will surpass you and control your future.

 

[Kiwi & Cow]

I was going to say no, but your OP convinced me otherwise.

I think science shouldn't receive nearly as much funds from the gov than it currently does.

 

[Phimosis Jonisis]

How do you even plan to enforce this? How do you intend to stop me from, say, researching new uses for common herbs found in my region? You have a goon squad funded and ready to go to silence me?


So no emergency medical services? Hope you never have a traumatic injury and need an EMT.

I don't know what shithole you live in where you read "Private Medical Industry" and the first thought in your head is all hospitals. Does your government not have tax funded/public hospitals?

 

[Smolrolls]

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate for this one. Let me approach this from the perspective of a rich, conniving motherfucker. I'm going to express what the Bill Gateses and Klaus Schwabs of the world feel about all of this on a daily basis, but are too dishonest and secretive to actually tell anyone.

Ready? Go.

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Science isn't killing the world. You are. You are killing the world simply by existing. Every single one of you is taking too many tons of CO2 emissions, too much cotton, copper, niobium, tantalum, lithium, phosphorus - hell, every element on the Periodic Table - to satisfy. You are barely even human. You're a fucking locust, spoiling this planet for many generations to come with your senseless luxuries. If you wanted a good life, you should have been willing to let nine out of every ten of you die, so the other one-in-ten could enjoy the spoils, because this planet is a zero-sum game and we are running out of pie slices to give you. The sea is choked with plastic and homeless people line our streets, not because of us, but because of you. There are too many of you, breeding out of control like rabbits. We've tried everything. Abortion, birth control, pushing women into the workforce, turning your children into fags and lacing their Happy Meals with hormones. Nothing worked. You can't for the life of you keep your ejaculate out of a woman's vagina and your sperm away from her eggs. You just keep multiplying, and multiplying, and multiplying, and you're choking the life out of this world as you do it.

You want free-range, unpasteurized, non-GMO and farm-fresh? You'd all starve if that was the only way we fed people. The only way we can maintain our current crop yields is with pesticide-resistant freak strains. Our agricultural practices are sucking all the nutrients out of the ground and eroding soil, replacing it with useless sand. They're pulling billions of gallons of water out of underground aquifers at faster than recharge rates just to feed you ungrateful creatures. We are losing an area the size of North Korea to desertification, every single year. If things continue as they are, in a hundred years, there will be no more arable land. There will be nothing but sand, everywhere. All the coral reefs will be utterly destroyed, ocean ecosystems will collapse, and our seas will be choked with algae blooms. Billions of you will starve to death, and as you do so, eventually, you'll resort to eating each other.

You want to get rid of nukes? Why, so you can go back to hacking and stabbing and shooting each other like barbarians? The threat of mutually-assured destruction created a period of unprecedented peace, prosperity, and scientific achievement. Before that, people died of tuberculosis, they died of syphilis, they died in trenches. They died in their great heaps and they rotted and stank. People spend considerable energy glorifying warfare and lionizing soldiers and pioneers, and yet, when push comes to shove, nobody wants to be that man who is screaming and crying and holding his best friend's entrails in his hands, or consoling a member of their traveling party who is dying of a snake bite. Have you ever gotten a little cut on your finger that needed antibiotics to treat? If this were a hundred years ago, you could have died from that, too. You could have died like a bitch from a cut on your finger.

Humans are irrational and vile and criminal by nature. Some mothers go insane and drown their children in a bathtub, to say nothing of what drug cartel members to do complete strangers. Would you like to go more than two seconds without hearing about a rape or a machete murder or anything else along those lines? Would you prefer to live in a totally civilized, totally safe world where we no longer hear of people being shot, chainsawed, or skinned alive? We can make that happen. You just have to give up your control over your money, which you could use to purchase things to harm other people with, and you must have the aggression forcibly stripped from you, because you can't be trusted with that, either. Technology makes it impossible for you to be trusted, as a matter of fact. Today, you can order a tiny handful of COTS components and build a cruise missile in your garage with ANFO for a warhead. Tomorrow, with things like DNA printers, you could assemble nucleotides into custom viruses in your basement and kill millions of your fellow human beings for nothing other than your silly traditions and superstitions.

You have two choices. You can either live in the world we've made for you, bound by the chains of servility we place upon you, or you can act like a disobedient child and starve.

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This is them. This is the rich. The neoliberal technocrats. This is what they actually think of you, but are too cowardly to just come right out and say.

Do you want to know whats funny? If these technocrats care so much of the world, if they we're so worried about limited spaces for too many people, why don't they use their intellect and resources to get us off world, to make worlds like mars into Eden, like Elon Musk is trying to do when he founded SpaceX: to save humanity by rekindling our manifest destiny to the stars. To use their intellect and resources to turn deserts into Oasis, to grow more crops to meet the demands of future generations who bring new ideas, innovations, and opportunities so they may have a chance to live eternal in heaven.

You know what else is funny? The bible mentioned love not the world. And from what you've written as the devil's advocate, it seems that these technocrats are in bed with the devil if they love the world so much as to advocate and commit a soft genocide without us plebians knowing. Some of us know, for most plebians would drown us as conspiracy theories when we tell them of the technocrats intents on us.

 

[Wormy]

Does your government not have tax funded/public hospitals?

Oh you're so adorable.

In this country such things are considered COMMUNISM. And we ain't havin that.

And it's not that I don't know what the technocrats are up to. It's that what the God botherers and Luddites would do to me is not better in any way shape or form.

 

[WULULULULU]

This honestly resonates with me. I'm studying engineering, electronics to be exact, and I had to plan out my thesis. In my years of studying, I'm bombarded with many stuff like 5G, internet of things, cloud computing and the like. I often wondered, what about those engineers that just simply want to maintain the current technology or perhaps think that concepts like that are too much for even our world to handle? Many people would cry out that I'd be a luddite, backward thinking idiot that doesn't appreciate "progress". And yet here we are, in a world that is already slowly dying out with no way out beyond the world of space. This isn't progress, this is a slow genocide.

 

[Maurice Caine]

And then be stuck in 2022 forever with no technological progress whatsoever? No thanks.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Do you mean regular science, or The Science™? As if you mean the latter, then yes.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Besides the sheer practical issue of how to implement it, this is basically suicide since having a scientific edge gives you immense advantage over the rest of humanity (ie, Europe colonizing everything).

It's a different faggoty version of Pacifism. "If we all collectively not engage in war then nothing bad will ever happen!".

 

[Drain Todger]

This honestly resonates with me. I'm studying engineering, electronics to be exact, and I had to plan out my thesis. In my years of studying, I'm bombarded with many stuff like 5G, internet of things, cloud computing and the like. I often wondered, what about those engineers that just simply want to maintain the current technology or perhaps think that concepts like that are too much for even our world to handle? Many people would cry out that I'd be a luddite, backward thinking idiot that doesn't appreciate "progress". And yet here we are, in a world that is already slowly dying out with no way out beyond the world of space. This isn't progress, this is a slow genocide.

The Internet of Things is complete bullshit. Where are the products? Nobody actually wants an internet-enabled picture frame, an internet-enabled flower pot, or, god forbid, an internet-enabled nightstand elephant statue from QVC. The whole thing is a trojan horse for the real goal, which is the Internet of Bodies; IOT infrastructure interacting directly with mandatory implants in people that monitor their health, vital signs, and neural impulses to do Minority Report-style precrime, target advertisements more precisely, determine people's social credit scores based on their behaviors, and basically strip away the last scraps of privacy and liberty that we have.

 

[Ser Prize]

This is them. This is the rich. The neoliberal technocrats. This is what they actually think of you, but are too cowardly to just come right out and say.

@Smolrolls

The worship of The Land at the expense of people has always seemed bizarre to me, especially from the technocratic elite. A century ago it was assumed we'd outpace Earth and spread out, yet we haven't even tried. Why don't they try? Why don't they take these risks? Would they rather rule over an empire of dirt?

 

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Oh man, I didn't even get into the concept of suicide pact technologies, where researching and deploying the technology inevitably ends all civilization or even the universe itself. It's probably just science fiction, but we can't actually know this and some speculate it's why aliens don't exist. But remember the black hole and CERN thing? It was bullshit since natural micro-black holes exist all the time from cosmic rays hitting earth, but there's no reason you couldn't actually make black holes--or something worse--if a particle accelerator large enough existed. Imagine some scientists trying to tap vacuum energy accidently collapsing the entire universe. But at that level of technology and where things are going, that's probably a mercy kill.

You can stop funding science, your country can stop funding science, your continent can stop funding science, but those that don't will surpass you and control your future.

That's the problem, isn't it? It makes me think some sort of "staggered science" before we go for the total kill of science. Like basically we need to invent the way to defund science (like a computer system) before we actually defund science. Maybe it is an impossible task, like the only way to defund science is either to have incredibly advanced science (like some of those "gods" in Star Trek) or return to monke and hope for the best--I mean it did take almost 200K years between the evolution of modern humans and inventing agriculture after all, and not every area invented it at the same rate. It's like how the only

I wish the best minds of humanity could think of that instead of the nonsense they think of instead. But I can't really think of a way that doesn't involve widespread propaganda (basically make science akin to racism--hey, maybe it is, slavery, Nazism, etc. were all strongly backed by science and used science to maintain themselves) or some all-powerful computer system watching people for signs of banned research.

Fuck, there's no way to win this without doing exactly what the oligarchs are doing, building some crazy techno-dictatorship. But maybe it's for the best if you build one where at the very least you can own a house and land and eat a good ribeye so long as your wallet and internal organs can afford it.

And it's not that I don't know what the technocrats are up to. It's that what the God botherers and Luddites would do to me is not better in any way shape or form.

I'd go to church 3 times a week, pretend to be a good Bible-believing Christian, and only listen to hymns if it meant the oligarchs wouldn't complete their takeover of the world and subjugation of humanity. It's absolutely nothing compared to the coming techno-serfdom the global elite desire.

And then be stuck in 2022 forever with no technological progress whatsoever? No thanks.

1922 could be pretty nice too, since back then, mankind didn't have nuclear bombs or weaponized smallpox and didn't make up viruses in a laboratory. Sure, we killed each other, but we killed each other like men and everyone knew that war was hell you didn't want to deal with. Even the government knew this, hence why they were becoming increasingly cautious to fuck with the populace like they had in centuries past lest they end up like Russia.

 

[Drain Todger]

@Smolrolls

The worship of The Land at the expense of people has always seemed bizarre to me, especially from the technocratic elite. A century ago it was assumed we'd outpace Earth and spread out, yet we haven't even tried. Why don't they try? Why don't they take these risks? Would they rather rule over an empire of dirt?

Let's say you're a rancher. There's a species that you're raising for their meat and milk. They reproduce very quickly. Every now and then, they begin to overcrowd their pens, and unlike relatively docile cattle, these creatures have sharp claws and fangs, and will bite your head completely off your shoulders if you mistreat them. What would you do? How would you manage your farm?

Your mistake, like so many others, is in believing the Aristocrats see us as equal partners in the creation of civilization. They do not. You are a farm animal to them, and a peculiarly dangerous one, at that. Your only purpose, from their perspective, is to work, pay taxes, and then expire. You're a stepping-stone. A household appliance. If they could replace you with a perfectly obedient robot, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Smolrolls]

The worship of The Land at the expense of people has always seemed bizarre to me, especially from the technocratic elite. A century ago it was assumed we'd outpace Earth and spread out, yet we haven't even tried. Why don't they try? Why don't they take these risks? Would they rather rule over an empire of dirt?

Guess Johnny Cash wanted them to have it all, his empire of dirt. And let them down while he was at it.

 

[Ser Prize]

Let's say you're a rancher. There's a species that you're raising for their meat and milk. They reproduce very quickly. Every now and then, they begin to overcrowd their pens, and unlike relatively docile cattle, these creatures have sharp claws and fangs, and will bite your head completely off your shoulders if you mistreat them. What would you do? How would you manage your farm?

Your mistake, like so many others, is in believing the Aristocrats see us as equal partners in the creation of civilization. They do not. You are a farm animal to them, and a peculiarly dangerous one, at that. Your only purpose, from their perspective, is to work, pay taxes, and then expire. You're a stepping-stone. A household appliance. If they could replace you with a perfectly obedient robot, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

Oh I know I'm niggercattle to them. But even so: does a rancher not wish to expand his ranch? To have more cattle? To reap further wealth and luxury?