Should we have freedom of speech or censorship on certain topics - With Norbert the tiger as a cohost

You can have your own opinions, I suppose, but you cannot have your own facts.
Come on man, just throwing aside the treaty of Tordesillas (not that it ever meant much but if it ever was to mean anything it'd be that century) the japs having a red scare tier *panic* doesn't make their frenzied reaction to concerning new information anymore along the lines you imply. I'm sure the Catholic Monarch would've loved another crown (New New Granada has a nice ring to it) but they were never in any position to do more than attempt to meddle. Just look at how they did against fucking Cambodia (imagine losing to post-Angkor period Khmer, embarrassing).
Sending a few hundred conquistadors against stone ago Aztecs worked great but when they tried to pull that shit with East Asian realms it blew up in their faces everytime.
I'd also like to reiterate Christianity was still permitted for the next century or so before the Bakufu had enough of their shit, further invalidating your original assertion.
No one has addressed @trash cat 's knockout blow about concentration of mass media conglomerates.
This is not a new thing and is certainly not special, I'm pretty sure one of Crassus' business interests was in news oratory.
Tends to ebb and flow depending on how the ((interests)) at work try to play it.
 
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Come on man
Every civilization in the region was subject to European colonization EXCEPT Japan. The rulers saw what Spsin was doing to the Phillipines, they heard Spanish envoys that they use religious missionaries as a Trojan horse to weaken targets from within. Ah but "muh human rights" and "muh universal principles" about religious tolerance and freedom.
 
Stan goes on about how terrible China is, but China is one of few civilizations in imperial ascension. Europe and the West are in fast decline. Russia and Hungary have implemented censorship policies banning LGBTQ, and are right to do so.
Absolutely mouth breathing retarded. Especially China with it being the literal meme of "GDP equals quality of life". Russia where you are forbidden to talk about how many hundreds of thousands of people died to Ukraine. And Hungary who keeps crying to the EU of not getting their money.

It really is a great example of how brain rotted people are where not talking about trannies is better than basic human rights.
In any case, it is interesting that the example of how Japan avoided colonization by trampling on supposed religious freedoms and liberties gets detractors to move the goalposts to a "modern example."
You mean to say 18th century peasant bugmen aren't a representation of modern culture and technology?
 
Every civilization in the region was subject to European colonization EXCEPT Japan. The rulers saw what Spsin was doing to the Phillipines, they heard Spanish envoys that they use religious missionaries as a Trojan horse to weaken targets from within. Ah but "muh human rights" and "muh universal principles" about religious tolerance and freedom.
Everywhere was exposed yes and with the exception of the Philippines, certainly unga buga centralized tribal tier as a civilisations go, they all fought them off till waaay later with the advent of true European dominance in the age of imperialism. Because that's what mutually hostile state powers do not because of some higher belief in the leviathan of governance.
I'd also like to point out that despite the prevailing Black Legend regarding Catholic missionary efforts, the intent of the church really was in saving souls, as highlighted in the Chinese Rites controversy, if they were really full time agents of globo-Spanish-homo that'd have gone very differently.
 
Tell that to the Aztecs and every other people who fell, never mind that Spanish diplomats told the Japanese what they were doing.
One True Holy and Apostolic Faith///Crown of Castile, another example of the diarchy being the Misiones of Paraguay which had a long fought conflict between encroaching colonial interests and Jesuit backed Natives of all people, there was a good film about it too.
Never mind the obvious motivation behind a Spaniard trying to make his Moortuguese rivals look bad and... ooooh! geopolitical intrigue! Not much room for higher thought like the justice of obscurantism there is there?
 
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Some cool shit comes about as a result of censorship. Ultimately, "speech" is always going to be associated with thought. Censorship always causes people to figure out ways of subverting common language to push particular ideas. New forms of communication are developed and utilized.

In addition, you begin to see past the veneer of civilized discourse and notice the people pushing for censorship 1) are pushing their moral values on you and 2) will inevitably break their own rules.

These are the kinds of people who believe they should subvert democracy to save democracy. They also believe they need to enact censorship to save free speech.
 
Chaos is Order too complex to understand.
I had it explained to me only a few years ago and I've come to realize what this means.

Every so often mankind will attempt to construct a Tower of Babel and, in turn, God confuses their languages. Choas, is in fact, the hero of the story. A hobbit defeats Sauron. A farm boy defeats the Galactic Empire.
 
I had it explained to me only a few years ago and I've come to realize what this means.

Every so often mankind will attempt to construct a Tower of Babel and, in turn, God confuses their languages. Choas, is in fact, the hero of the story. A hobbit defeats Sauron. A farm boy defeats the Galactic Empire.
It's quite interesting to cross it with the grain of sand theory. Which, although foreign to the cogs while being part of the system, always ends up reestablishing a balance that the cogs had disrupted at first (Sauron who wants to conquer Middle Earth, the Empire which overthrew the Galatic Republic before)
 
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I see I am throwing pearls before swine, at least to a large degree. A few points of correction.
You are not throwing pearls.

This is one of the most imbecilic comments I have ever read. I do not need to listen to the ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic to understand why his insistence that those hunting him could literally leap through a computer screen and nab him a la The Ring. Transgenderism is no less insane, there is no benefit in countenancing it one bit.

Whether you think the comment is dumb doesn't matter. It's correct. It also doesn't matter if you 'totally grasp that transgenderism is insane,'. There are plenty of people who see absolutely no problem with it, exactly because discussion of it has been subject of censorship. Not everyone is as smart as you are.
 
Give me a modern example of censorship improving a country. Also using free speech as a reason CIA destroyed countries is absolutely retarded, the inflow of foreign cash and personal is more of a reason.
Germany. The clampdown on Weimar degeneracy helped delay fag/troon rights.
Japan was never under any threat of invasion, again watching too much Shogun.
It wasn't a prospect because it wasn't an unstable "empire" like Mexico or unga bunga land like Mozambique but an actual nation that would unite against external threats (case in point; attempted Mongol invasion), wherever the western explorers came across advanced societies the intent was to rip them off economically by which way Christianisation was a tool for.
That's your brain on pop history, Look what Spain did in the Philippines and tried to do in Cambodia, or what Portugal and the Dutch were doing in the East Indies. Catholicism was a subversive influence in Japan. The Mongols are also a terrible example since literally every time they got a foothold in a nation, there were people out to befriend them, as it would have been in Japan.
I love his contradiction. Freedom of speech MIGHT be misused, so we MUST ban it. Literally the anti gun cope.
Transgender bathroom rights MIGHT be misused, so we MUST ban it.
In addition, you begin to see past the veneer of civilized discourse and notice the people pushing for censorship 1) are pushing their moral values on you and 2) will inevitably break their own rules.

These are the kinds of people who believe they should subvert democracy to save democracy. They also believe they need to enact censorship to save free speech.
I mean if you believe in Our Democracy, then the censorship they're doing seems to work. Look how well they silenced Obamagate, documented actions by which Obama literally re-enacted Watergate except worse. Where'd that go? Or what about Hunter Biden's business dealings, including those that involved Joe himself? Or the recordings suggesting Joe Biden has molested family?

Sure, a lot of people know the scamdemic and Saint Floyd and the Ukraine scam the Dems/neocons run are lies, but that's only because those are too big to actually cover up the whole thing. And even then, they seem to have good censorship since they can just drip-feed the actual truth once it's no longer relevant like how they now admit to it being from the Wuhan lab or expose that the BLM leaders are buying multimillion dollar houses in white neighborhoods or say that Ukraine probably won't win even with the next aid package. It's the little details they can censor out and keep everyone in the dark and thus make sure no one is calling for accountability.
 
Transgender bathroom rights MIGHT be misused, so we MUST ban it.
Freedom of speech applies to all. Transgender bathroom shit applies to one single group. Freedom of speech is all or nothing. Tranny shit ain't. Banning tranny shit only affects the troon. Banning free speech affects everyone. Not the same.
 
This site has been dropped from Clouflare, and numerous ISPs. In the US we have lawfare waged against outspoken dissidents, the US government actively courting the tech industry to quietly censor counter-narratives, while the IRS is used to shake down and hem up political rivals. This is all while, and because, we have subversive elements using our own priniciples to hobble and bludgeon us.

Point being, the problem with free speech, is that real free speech has never been tried. We need more satanists holding black masses in government buildings. We need more private political campaign contributions, we need fewer privacy regulations and further normalization of degeneracy. Cum is cum, bigots.
 
YOU have no idea, because the comment in question could be interpreted both literally and figuratively. Better to have a cool historical artifact then the many things you have been rightly ridiculed for.
No, I actually have a pretty good idea of what you meant. You own a Nazi armband, and you’re also a bit cowardly to just own up to that instead of get all weaselly.

And I don’t think you collect these things as “cool historical artifacts” either. You collect ephemera of the Third Reich because the intellectual repression of the Third Reich is appealing to you. You want to live in a world where a dictator can control your access to information and certain ideas (political dissent) is grounds to get thrown in a KZ. You want to live in a world where due process is shredded in favor of purges. You want a world where your neighbors can rat you out for counter revolutionary activities and get rewarded for doing that. And you want to do all of this in the context of AI tools and digital information processing, so that the government doesn’t even need to designate persons of interest any longer; they can have their ear to everyone’s door regardless.

And ironically, you are just too fucking dense to get that if the Democrats were the sort of threat you imagine them to be, you’d not have the freedom to make these comments.

My views reflect bedrock principles of human nature and civilization, that have been tested through the centuries and millennia.
Logical fallacy: appeal to precedent. Just because something has been done a certain way for a while, doesn’t mean it’s the best way.

E.g. Slavery has been “tested through the centuries and millennia”; Britain did away with it in the 1700-somethings, and America finally got rid of it in 1864. And since that time humanity has been more productive than ever before, so we seem to do just fine without the time honored institution of getting to schedule other people as property.
Censorship in Nazi Germany worked beautifully.
I don’t think Nazi Germany lasted long enough for you to say that.
There is no fair debate here, no with mass media conglomerates being wielded by powerful, pernicious interests. The concept of "manufacturing consent" gets to the heart of it.
You’re not debating the Jewish Liberal Media Cabal, you’re talking to me, an individual. If you act like this discussion is beneath you, it’s not. If you can’t actually convince other people why they should give up their right to think for themselves you’re never going to be able to sell a return to political censorship. (And notably, in your imagination you don’t have to: you want these conditions imposed on everyone else without buy-in.)
Point three is even further beneath discussion.
“I’m not intellectually lazy and insecure in the merit of my beliefs, I just think this is beneath me.” It isn’t though.
This site has been dropped from Clouflare, and numerous ISPs. In the US we have lawfare waged against outspoken dissidents, the US government actively courting the tech industry to quietly censor counter-narratives, while the IRS is used to shake down and hem up political rivals. This is all while, and because, we have subversive elements using our own priniciples to hobble and bludgeon us.

Point being, the problem with free speech, is that real free speech has never been tried. We need more satanists holding black masses in government buildings. We need more private political campaign contributions, we need fewer privacy regulations and further normalization of degeneracy. Cum is cum, bigots.
I’m just gonna be pedantic here and note that freedom of expression doesn’t imply you can make other people do business with you. It doesn’t imply several things that piss you guys off, ie it doesn’t imply a right to a platform either.
Which of these is more sympathetic:
1. I have a right to be a seething cunt to people online because I want to be
2. I have a right to debate the merits of political ideas that the right and left wing party organs of my country would prefer to suppress by banning, deleting content etc.

I get that if we have 2, 1 will follow, but campaigning for free speech on the merits of making amhole jokes about Kevin Gibes isn’t really bringing out your best compared to (example) a discussion on why bad GRS outcomes are getting censored and bullied out of Reddit, where many trannies get their GRS information. It makes this community hard to love and hard to defend tbh.
 
Freedom of speech applies to all. Transgender bathroom shit applies to one single group. Freedom of speech is all or nothing. Tranny shit ain't. Banning tranny shit only affects the troon. Banning free speech affects everyone. Not the same.
Not even the government thinks freedom of speech is all or nothing. That's why defamation, incitement to violence, bestiality, and child pornography isn't free speech, despite libertarian attempts to make it so. So free speech doesn't apply to all, because bronies don't have the free speech to film a sequel to Mr Hands. Just like how bathroom rights apply to all except when those damn dirty right wingers keep the Liz Fong Jones of the world out of the ladies room, then it doesn't apply to transgenders.
 
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