Should you report illegal immigrants, even if they've followed the law in every other regard?

[Good Father]

I think more people should get to the heart of the matter. Like examining WHY they're coming in illegally in the first place.

Mestizos and Africans in large groups make Mestizo and African cultures, from which spawn nations which are often unstable and corrupt (Mexico, Argentina, Venezuela), wracked by violence and largely without rule of law at all (most of the rest), and only occasionally and temporarily stable and functional.

Quite naturally they wish to come to European nations and benefit from our high standards of living, which arise from Europeans choosing to do the hard work of maintaining rule of law, refraining from spending money now we will need more ten years from now, and generally looking to the future and our children rather than the present and our base animal feelings. Unfortunately, when they arrive in any numbers, they clump up so they can be surrounded by the familiar, and begin tearing down our order and replacing it with what comes naturally, little South Americas and Africas.

Then they go crying like bitches to the media, wailing that whitey done them wrong, whitey be racist, whitey be holding them down, never mind that whitey does everything in his power to avoid living near them and mostly keeps to himself. Ignorant shitlibs from white suburbs and rich parts of cities then utilize their complaints of racism for leverage to implement their own short-sighted socialist policies that used to be shouted down resulting in prosperity, but which with the aid of African and Mestizo voting blocks can now be implemented.

End result, everyone gets to live in South America or Africa, nobody gets to have European living standards.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

Mestizos and Africans in large groups make Mestizo and African cultures, from which spawn nations which are often unstable and corrupt (Mexico, Argentina, Venezuela), wracked by violence and largely without rule of law at all (most of the rest), and only occasionally and temporarily stable and functional.

Quite naturally they wish to come to European nations and benefit from our high standards of living, which arise from Europeans choosing to do the hard work of maintaining rule of law, refraining from spending money now we will need more ten years from now, and generally looking to the future and our children rather than the present and our base animal feelings. Unfortunately, when they arrive in any numbers, they clump up so they can be surrounded by the familiar, and begin tearing down our order and replacing it with what comes naturally, little South Americas and Africas.

Then they go crying like bitches to the media, wailing that whitey done them wrong, whitey be racist, whitey be holding them down, never mind that whitey does everything in his power to avoid living near them and mostly keeps to himself. Ignorant shitlibs from white suburbs and rich parts of cities then utilize their complaints of racism for leverage to implement their own short-sighted socialist policies that used to be shouted down resulting in prosperity, but which with the aid of African and Mestizo voting blocks can now be implemented.

End result, everyone gets to live in South America or Africa, nobody gets to have European living standards.

Well I can tell you that anyone who uses terms like "shitlibs" or "conservatards" unironically probably isn't worth discussing this with.

 

[Good Father]

Well I can tell you that anyone who uses terms like "shitlibs" or "conservatards" unironically probably isn't worth discussing this with.

You are welcome to express any sentiment about me that you like. No such sentiment will serve to do anything beyond signal your disquiet with the claims I have made, claims that are easily observed to be true.

The swarms of African migrants attempting entry to Europe, the swarms of South American migrants attempting entry to the United States, share this in common: their peoples failed to build countries worth living in, and they are not willing to put in the work to improve them, the generational efforts it takes to make nations great. They want to eat off someone elses plate with no understanding that wherever they go, wherever they live, it is the people who will make that place civilized or barbaric.

This is why they must be reported and deported.

 

[GethN7]

You are welcome to express any sentiment about me that you like. No such sentiment will serve to do anything beyond signal your disquiet with the claims I have made, claims that are easily observed to be true.

The swarms of African migrants attempting entry to Europe, the swarms of South American migrants attempting entry to the United States, share this in common: their peoples failed to build countries worth living in, and they are not willing to put in the work to improve them, the generational efforts it takes to make nations great. They want to eat off someone elses plate with no understanding that wherever they go, wherever they live, it is the people who will make that place civilized or barbaric.

This is why they must be reported and deported.

I would have no personal animus towards an illegal who otherwise followed the law, but I would be obligated to report them because they are still breaking a law, I would have knowledge of it, and I would not be able to look in my own mirror and be pleased with my reflection if I did not do my part to make sure laws were obeyed.

Another reason is that the entire concept of law and order falls apart if you don't enforce it, even for the most benign of motives, and while there is a limit to being lawful or being moral where one must choose between one or the other to uphold the foundations of both (like when slavery was legal, I would have civilly disobeyed said laws because forcing someone to work like a dog and denying them basic dignity crosses a moral line and is utterly unjust legally), ensuring someone is punished for enjoying rewards they have not lawfully earned even if they do so peaceably does not reach that threshold, as it is both lawful to ensure they don't take bread from tables they did not earn the right to eat from and moral to make sure they suffer consequences for what amounts to theft, even if done in a nonviolent and civil manner.

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

I don't know about other states, but it's always bugged me how there are some medical places that will only look at illegal immigrants and families, but they'll kick out Americans who are poor and have no insurance because they don't qualify for help. I'm speaking from personal experience in this case. This is in the state I live in, of course.

 

[Pepito The Cat]

I don't know about other states, but it's always bugged me how there are some medical places that will only look at illegal immigrants and families, but they'll kick out Americans who are poor and have no insurance because they don't qualify for help. I'm speaking from personal experience in this case. This is in the state I live in, of course.

I think this is the biggest problem with America right now. You have a politically divided nation and both sides despite the other with a passion to the point in which regular folk get trapped in the crossfire. I'm pro universal health care, welfare, abortion and other ideas which can be considered "progressive" but I also believe everything needs to have order, a law and zero corruption to work properly and efficiently. Shit like what you said not only hurts communities but also backfire into any immigration policy you want to push.

We've been suffering a similar divide for a decade now and tore us apart. I just hope America knows better.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

You are welcome to express any sentiment about me that you like. No such sentiment will serve to do anything beyond signal your disquiet with the claims I have made, claims that are easily observed to be true.

The swarms of African migrants attempting entry to Europe, the swarms of South American migrants attempting entry to the United States, share this in common: their peoples failed to build countries worth living in, and they are not willing to put in the work to improve them, the generational efforts it takes to make nations great. They want to eat off someone elses plate with no understanding that wherever they go, wherever they live, it is the people who will make that place civilized or barbaric.

This is why they must be reported and deported.

So it's more about where they're from. Not that they're here illegally in your case it sounds like. Hope I'm wrong. By that logic you should feel the same way about legal immigrants from those countries.

Do you feel the same way about illegal Irish immigrants?

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

I think this is the biggest problem with America right now. You have a politically divided nation and both sides despite the other with a passion to the point in which regular folk get trapped in the crossfire. I'm pro universal health care, welfare, abortion and other ideas which can be considered "progressive" but I also believe everything needs to have order, a law and zero corruption to work properly and efficiently. Shit like what you said not only hurts communities but also backfire into any immigration policy you want to push.

We've been suffering a similar divide for a decade now and tore us apart. I just hope America knows better.

That's what honestly bothers me the most. I've heard stories from people I know where they couldn't get help from welfare or social programs because "you make too much money" or "you work" even though they were still poor or making just enough to pay high rent or had mediocre jobs. Yet I've witnessed undocumented people easily get access to support. A lot of people are frustrated over this and feel like they're not getting the support they genuinely need or are pushed away from people who aren't citizens. The longer this keeps going on the more anger people will have.

 

[Pepito The Cat]

That's what honestly bothers me the most. I've heard stories from people I know where they couldn't get help from welfare or social programs because "you make too much money" or "you work" even though they were still poor or making just enough to pay high rent or had mediocre jobs. Yet I've witnessed undocumented people easily get access to support. A lot of people are frustrated over this and feel like they're not getting the support they genuinely need or are pushed away from people who aren't citizens. The longer this keeps going on the more anger people will have.

Well, they do have a reason to feel upset and it's also a clear sign that the system doesn't work as it should. Trump's election might have been a direct response to those issues. At this point I'm not convinced it's just a matter of enforcing laws but a change in the people's beliefs. Maybe the ideologies of 50's America had some value on that regard: "work hard, uphold the law, raise a family, prosper".

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

Well, they do have a reason to feel upset and it's also a clear sign that the system doesn't work as it should. Trump's election might have been a direct response to those issues. At this point I'm not convinced it's just a matter of enforcing laws but a change in the people's beliefs. Maybe the ideologies of 50's America had some value on that regard: "work hard, uphold the law, raise a family, prosper".

The whole thing is messy, but that's usually the number one complaint I see when this topic is brought up. This has been happening for many many years. In some ways the 50's values were better. I wish we could have kept those values, but made them more in tune with 2018.

 

[Good Father]

So it's more about where they're from. Not that they're here illegally in your case it sounds like. Hope I'm wrong. By that logic you should feel the same way about legal immigrants from those countries.

Do you feel the same way about illegal Irish immigrants?

My position on this topic is heavily informed by racial realism, so no, I do not feel the same about illegal Irish immigrants, though I would report them -- rule of law means the law applies to everyone. Can't have rule of law if I play favorites.

Irish immigrants (legal or otherwise) are not an existential threat to America as a European nation with high living standards. Though they are on the low end of the European spectrum in terms of general intelligence and disposition for long-term thinking and violence, they have demonstrated that they can operate a European civilization in a form that is tolerable to me. Go places that the Irish run and they're mostly good places. Not all, but mostly. Go places the Africans run and they're mostly shitholes. Not all, but mostly.

 

[HG 400]

they have demonstrated that they can operate a European civilization

no

 

[Good Father]

no

On what grounds do you dispute that the Irish can operate a European civilization? There are many examples of them doing so successfully, notably the state of Ireland and the parts of the United States where Irish populations dominate.

 

[HG 400]

On what grounds do you dispute that the Irish can operate a European civilization? There are many examples of them doing so successfully, notably the state of Ireland and the parts of the United States where Irish populations dominate.

they starved to death on an island surrounded by fish because they only wanted to eat potatoes you dumb niggerlover

 

[Good Father]

they starved to death on an island surrounded by fish because they only wanted to eat potatoes you dumb niggerlover

They got rekt pretty hard in the Hunger, they could have handled that shit better, no denying it. Their boats sucked and the fishing communities had all sorts of dimwitted customs and rules that got in the way of them providing food for their nation.

In fairness, they were getting it from both ends, the Brits from the front while Mother Nature fisted their assholes with winters that made fishing impossible with the current technology of the time. The fishermen ended up pawning a lot of their tools just to stay fed through the winter, and nobody had their backs in the interests of having a working fishing fleet in the other seasons. This is what I describe as low end of the European spectrum in terms of future awareness.

This does not disprove that the Irish are capable of operating civilization. Failure happens, it's what happens most of the time that matters, and mostly the Irish succeed at being civilized.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

My position on this topic is heavily informed by racial realism, so no, I do not feel the same about illegal Irish immigrants, though I would report them -- rule of law means the law applies to everyone. Can't have rule of law if I play favorites.

Irish immigrants (legal or otherwise) are not an existential threat to America as a European nation with high living standards. Though they are on the low end of the European spectrum in terms of general intelligence and disposition for long-term thinking and violence, they have demonstrated that they can operate a European civilization in a form that is tolerable to me. Go places that the Irish run and they're mostly good places. Not all, but mostly. Go places the Africans run and they're mostly shitholes. Not all, but mostly.

Racial realism is bullshit and that's all I have to say.

 

[HG 400]

They got rekt pretty hard in the Hunger, they could have handled that shit better, no denying it. Their boats sucked and the fishing communities had all sorts of dimwitted customs and rules that got in the way of them providing food for their nation.

In fairness, they were getting it from both ends, the Brits from the front while Mother Nature fisted their assholes with winters that made fishing impossible with the current technology of the time. The fishermen ended up pawning a lot of their tools just to stay fed through the winter, and nobody had their backs in the interests of having a working fishing fleet in the other seasons. This is what I describe as low end of the European spectrum in terms of future awareness.

This does not disprove that the Irish are capable of operating civilization. Failure happens, it's what happens most of the time that matters, and mostly the Irish succeed at being civilized.

nigger lover

 

[Good Father]

nigger lover

They're not niggers, they're potato niggers. There's a difference.

 

[PuToTyra]

nigger lover

Anglo-teutonics are objectively ugly, and no one should hold their horse-like facial features as a standard of beauty nor a sign of intelligence of any sort.

 

[ES 148]

My views on immigration are mainly 'I never really thought about it'
I kinda just assumed you could move to a different country and once you owned a house there you'd pay taxes on it
I'm pretty dumb tbh