Shows you've had a falling out with - IE, they just suck now

[Guts Gets Some]

If we’re going into cartoon sperging then I’d like to point out the TMNT 2K3 series. I grew up with this series and is my favorite incarnation of the franchise (in fact outside of a few episodes of the 87 cartoon the non micheal bay movies, its The only incarnation that I’m really familiar with. Anyways despite 4kids being involved they were relatively light on the censors (at least compared to the rest of their lineup) the only times they had to step in was that one body horror episode and a scrapped season 5 episode that dealt with some pretty fucked up shit. That is until after season four. Season 4 ended on a cliffhanger which left me 9 year old me re excited for what was going to come next. However as I said I was 9 so I really didn’t’ have a grasp about how tv executives are among the most exceptional people on planet earth. You see 4kids was planning for a retool of the series. A bit of a red flag there but at least there’s a traceable line of Logic. The other thing they decided to do however was sheer lunacy. Season 5 (the last one before the retool) was skipped over entirely to get to the retool. I remember getting up on Saturday morning turning on the tv to watch that weeks episode.

https://youtu.be/dOiE0LCu6J0

How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?

origin: Star Trek Discovery Season 1 - re:View https://youtu.be/ri7v-utIcvY

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I hated it I really did. But I kept watching hoping it would get better. It didn’t. The only saving grace was that 4kids eventually aired season five as “the lost episodes”. Providing a brief but satisfying reprieve. After the lost episodes ended I cut ties with the show and never looked back.

I thought 2003 only went downhill when it became "Fast Forward". That shit was pathetic.

 

[Kulee Baba]

If we’re going into cartoon sperging then I’d like to point out the TMNT 2K3 series. I grew up with this series and is my favorite incarnation of the franchise (in fact outside of a few episodes of the 87 cartoon the non micheal bay movies, its The only incarnation that I’m really familiar with. Anyways despite 4kids being involved they were relatively light on the censors (at least compared to the rest of their lineup) the only times they had to step in was that one body horror episode and a scrapped season 5 episode that dealt with some pretty fucked up shit. That is until after season four. Season 4 ended on a cliffhanger which left me 9 year old me re excited for what was going to come next. However as I said I was 9 so I really didn’t’ have a grasp about how tv executives are among the most exceptional people on planet earth. You see 4kids was planning for a retool of the series. A bit of a red flag there but at least there’s a traceable line of Logic. The other thing they decided to do however was sheer lunacy. Season 5 (the last one before the retool) was skipped over entirely to get to the retool. I remember getting up on Saturday morning turning on the tv to watch that weeks episode.

https://youtu.be/dOiE0LCu6J0

How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?

origin: Star Trek Discovery Season 1 - re:View https://youtu.be/ri7v-utIcvY

youtu.be

I hated it I really did. But I kept watching hoping it would get better. It didn’t. The only saving grace was that 4kids eventually aired season five as “the lost episodes”. Providing a brief but satisfying reprieve. After the lost episodes ended I cut ties with the show and never looked back.

It is worth watching the Movie "Turtles Forever", which serves a finale of sorts. A total fanservice movie and a blast as a result. They give shoutouts to all the existing TMNT properties.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

It is worth watching the Movie "Turtles Forever", which serves a finale of sorts. A total fanservice movie and a blast as a result. They give shoutouts to all the existing TMNT properties.

Apart from the absolutely awful human character designs (intentionally mimicking the TMNT CG movie of the time), it was a pleasant surprise; especially after how far I thought it had already fallen.

 

[Übertroon]

Does it technically count if it's a book that leads to the disinterest of the show? If so: Korra. Good lord above Korra. I consoomed the shit out of the show while it was still airing, until it went "WE PACIFIC RIM NOW" and the lesb-splosion at the end of season 4. Whatever, I could still bear to tune in to reruns if nothing else was on.
Then everything changed when the Turf War nation attacked, and all the gum and duct tape holding the series together just fell apart. E;R summed it up best for me.

I'm with you on the Korra comics being dogshit. Like I actually enjoyed the tv series, the gay romance at the end being a non issue and the giant robot being just a bit disappointing overshadowed by excellent direction and music. But the comic stating Sozin was a homophobe and the writers and artist trying to retcon in more gay people and black people just made me barf, I do not have high hopes for the netflix tv series

 

[escapegoat]

I cannot believe how bad the last two seasons of Preacher were.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

It is worth watching the Movie "Turtles Forever", which serves a finale of sorts. A total fanservice movie and a blast as a result. They give shoutouts to all the existing TMNT properties.

I caught on Nick several years backIt was pretty neat

 

[frozenrunner]

I cannot believe how bad the last two seasons of Preacher were.

I liked season 3, but I never saw season 4. May "aquire" it soon and check it out, but I don't assume it tied things up well.

I mean, the show was never as good after the first season...

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Most of mine have been mentioned here but I have one or two.

Happy season two sucked, they clearly had no idea how to keep it going without the original mini-series, and season one worked perfectly as a contained story.

Brooklyn 99 was my junk food show, just put it on and turn my brain off after an exhausting day. Was getting fatigued with it by season five, and I think that should have been the finale because it ended with most of the character arcs wrapped up, but then they decided to get it uncancelled and that sixth season was a piece of shit. They really fucked Amy over trying to make her the new Gina (Who I was glad they got rid of, she just shits me) and having a whole episode being a lecture on sexism and harassment played straight with no jokes?

My first falling out was with Pokemon when I was a kid. The first couple episodes of Advanced seemed like an interesting idea, having Ash as the mentor character and showing everything he's learnt to a new trainer made me start to forgive how Johto was so dragged out, and then the first episode they're on their own, they sit down for lunch and it turns out Ash never packed a lunch because it didn't occur to him to, and then Brock shows up so he can go right back into the rookie role and everything goes back to how it was before. No thanks.

 

[ZMOT]

elementary. first season became very great very fast, jonny lee miller kills it in that role and even if they turned watson into a women (never bothered me, but it was one of the biggest criticism in the beginning) they completely avoided any traps and tropes associated with it. even the murder of the week format works great because it shows holmes being holmes while giving us insight into that version of him.
however part of that greatness was blowing their load too early with moriarty and then hardly ever doing anything with it (not entirely their fault probably having less access to the actor, but still), especially considering those episodes were so fucking good.
and as much as I like john noble at that point I felt I see him almost everywhere in the same role and the whole daddy-issue drama didn't help, with writing taking a more law&order approach ripping shit off the headlines and getting more outlandish and worse in general, so I stopped around season 4 or 5.

I mean, compare

to

House MD after the character became a tyrant sniiffing his own farts, getting high on his ego, and generally being a pre-Rick from Rick and Morty.
Dropped it after the show became another "who fucks who" shitshow.

fwiw it doesn't stay that way, imo even with the crappy stretch in the middle it finds back to old form (point depends, some don't like the new team). the last few episodes and how they ended it was good.

 

[Overly Serious]

You could probably apply a rule of any Netflix show that makes it to the third season will suddenly turn into woke shit. But anyway...

I watched the first two seasons of Santa Clarita Diet and enjoyed it. I've always liked seeing a well-functioning married couple and in no small part because most TV shows seem determined to portray anything but. So the Hammonds (played by Timothy Olyphant and Drew Barrymoore) were really good to watch as a suburban husband and wife philosophically adapted to being adults now and supporting each other faithfully. The charm of the first season is seeing them preserve this relationship despite the major issue of the wife murdering and eating people. They just keep working through it. Second season is still good and has a cameo by Veronica from Better Off Ted. (Not actually Veronica, but the actress plays almost the same character which is fine by me). Then in the third season something shifted and suddenly the wife is in charge, she's making comments about how medieval women weren't allowed to be knights (like getting your head caved in by a mace is a positive but I digress) and there's a running sub-plot about how their daughter and they boy next door are now planting bombs. But it's not morally problematic because it's a fracking plant they blew up seems to be the message. Oh, and to solve the moral problem of needing to eat people, she starts killing Men's Rights Activists who come in shouting about how women are inferior rather than, you know, talking about custody bias or circumcision or any of the things I've normally heard MRAs talk about. I ended up just reading a plot summary for the rest of the season because I'm obsessive like that and it spared me watching the rest. Think it was around ep. 4 I noped out. Why did they have to ruin a model couple by making one the dominant one?

The current Harley Quinn series on DC Universe may turn into one as well. The first season was very good and it got away with borderline SJW'ness by actually being funny and because it stuck to a valid message. I mean the Joker really is an abusive arsehole that she's right to strike out on her own from and it doesn't excuse her being a villain just because she's also been a victim. But Season 2 seems to be lining up to be Women = Good and Men = Stupid or Evil and only okay if following a woman. I hope I'm wrong but there are hints I'm not. I wont prejudge but I am getting nervous. Last week came pretty darn close to the one thing I really hate about modern Harley Quinn which is making her morally acceptable for Identity reasons despite her behaviour.

Also, the episode has them sneering at Frat parties. What is it with modern media mocking parties? They seem to exist in film and cartoons purely to morally justify a serial killer picking off the party goers or for someone to put people down for drinking beer and playing silly games. WHY ARE FRAT PARTIES FILM CODE FOR "OKAY TO MURDER"? Did the comics and film writers just not get invited to... Ohhh.

 

[Absolutego]

You could probably apply a rule of any Netflix show that makes it to the third season will suddenly turn into woke shit. But anyway...

That's actually why I'm kinda amazed the first big example of that, House of Cards, hasn't come up yet ITT. Season 2 ended with Frank finally nabbing the presidency while his assistant was being murdered by the loose thread of a hooker in a Maryland forest somewhere. Then season 3 spent its runtime advancing little of that (and un-doing the assistant's death), while trying to force Carol Underwood as some secondary protagonist (I wouldn't call it woke shit necessarily, so much as Robin Wright trying to take over the production). It was obvious at that point Netflix was going to drag out the show (as it was one of their first critical successes) for as long as possible.

Season 2 was the obvious midpoint of Frank's story. 4 seasons of 13 episodes each. The fucking show was named House of Cards. Give it a 52 episode runtime. They had one job. I took more joy in watching disaster hit that production in later seasons, as they tried to inject references to the 2016 election and deal with Kevin Spacey getting #MeToo'd, than I'd care to admit.

 

[Overly Serious]

That's actually why I'm kinda amazed the first big example of that, House of Cards, hasn't come up yet ITT. Season 2 ended with Frank finally nabbing the presidency while his assistant was being murdered by the loose thread of a hooker in a Maryland forest somewhere. Then season 3 spent its runtime advancing little of that (and un-doing the assistant's death), while trying to force Carol Underwood as some secondary protagonist (I wouldn't call it woke shit necessarily, so much as Robin Wright trying to take over the production). It was obvious at that point Netflix was going to drag out the show (as it was one of their first critical successes) for as long as possible.

Season 2 was the obvious midpoint of Frank's story. 4 seasons of 13 episodes each. The fucking show was named House of Cards. Give it a 52 episode runtime. They had one job. I took more joy in watching disaster hit that production in later seasons, as they tried to inject references to the 2016 election and deal with Kevin Spacey getting #MeToo'd, than I'd care to admit.

I remember the original BBC House of Cards production. Is the Netflix series directly inspired by it? Or nothing at all to do with it? I've never liked Keven Spacey (good instincts me, I guess) so didn't try it. Sounds like a trainwreck later on from what you've said.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

That's actually why I'm kinda amazed the first big example of that, House of Cards, hasn't come up yet ITT. Season 2 ended with Frank finally nabbing the presidency while his assistant was being murdered by the loose thread of a hooker in a Maryland forest somewhere. Then season 3 spent its runtime advancing little of that (and un-doing the assistant's death), while trying to force Carol Underwood as some secondary protagonist (I wouldn't call it woke shit necessarily, so much as Robin Wright trying to take over the production). It was obvious at that point Netflix was going to drag out the show (as it was one of their first critical successes) for as long as possible.

Season 2 was the obvious midpoint of Frank's story. 4 seasons of 13 episodes each. The fucking show was named House of Cards. Give it a 52 episode runtime. They had one job. I took more joy in watching disaster hit that production in later seasons, as they tried to inject references to the 2016 election and deal with Kevin Spacey getting #MeToo'd, than I'd care to admit.

I've been trying to forget that shitshow. Biggest fucking waste of two good, interesting seasons.
The show portraying Frank as some kind of bisexual deviant was also pretty fucking bad. Not in the "g*sh h*cc this is so PROBLEMATIC" way, just the "what the fuck is this doing here" way.
At least they had the decency of having Claire jerk off that dying special agent offscreen, but not this one. All for the sake of edgyness or whatever. The character was already shown to be depraved enough.

I remember the original BBC House of Cards production. Is the Netflix series directly inspired by it? Or nothing at all to do with it? I've never liked Keven Spacey (good instincts me, I guess) so didn't try it. Sounds like a trainwreck later on from what you've said.

Directly inspired, goes on its own, Americanized way later on.

 

[Sayon]

I'm with you on the Korra comics being dogshit. Like I actually enjoyed the tv series, the gay romance at the end being a non issue and the giant robot being just a bit disappointing overshadowed by excellent direction and music. But the comic stating Sozin was a homophobe and the writers and artist trying to retcon in more gay people and black people just made me barf, I do not have high hopes for the netflix tv series

But most of Avatar is bad. Even in TLA it was only better than Korra since Bryke had a notably smaller role in production and it had men working on it who are missing from later works combined with how the team could cancel out all the bad ideas each of them had.

 

[trekkor]

Several of my dropped shows have been mentioned already, but quickly going through them

• TWD - dropped somewhere in S4. I just didn't care anymore. It became a chore just to watch every new episode and I just had to admit I wasn't enjoying it anymore. In hindsight, I didn't even like the show back in S1, but still.
• Once Upon a Time - I think it was also S4 that introduced the Frozen characters. In any case, it was around then. Not because of them, mind you, but the show was just going around in circles. Oh no, Gold/Rumpelstilskin is evil again! But now he's good again! And repeat every few episodes. Same with Regina. And the actors for both of them carried this show hard, so them having shitty storylines just drove me up the wall.
• AHS - dropped in S4 (what is it with season fours?), after they killed the Clown dude. I loved S1-2 (well, I hated the romace in S1, but otherwise it was good) and S3, while shit, had camp appeal to it. S4 just lost me, I think I realised the show was just doing the same thing over and over again, despite initially drawing people in by having a new story and characters every season.
• Westworld - I loved S1 and when the first ep of S2 came out I was fully prepared to watch it and see that world again. But pretty much the moment I started playing the episode I realised I didn't give a shit. S1 had a great ending and I was satisfied by it. I didn't need S2 to drag it along. So I deleted the file and never watched it.
• TLOK - I never loved the show nor was I a big fan of the original show, but it was fine enough in its first two seasons. I completely missed S3 even airing (iirc it was at this point Nick dumped it online and never aired it on TV, right?) since there was no promo for it and while I liked the season fine enough, there was also the undercurrent of "do I really care?". Never watched S4 since again, no promo for it. The first time I even heard about the final season was when the lamest lesbian reveal happened and Bryke had to explain on Tumblr of all places that, btw guys Korra and Asami are lesbians.

I'll also add Outlander to the list. I figured I'd be getting a cozy Scottish period drama with some magic stuff to it, but it never managed to capture me even during the first season. I can't put my finger on it, but it felt like they were just dragging the story along.

SeaQuest! Long before I was a Trekkie, I was a fan of Star Trek: Underwater. But only of the first season. I rewatched it a few years ago and while very late80s/very-early90s in feel and campy, it has a ton of charm and great storylines (and I don't mind a show being "dated", I find that a silly argument). But man, S2 killed the show. They got rid of a BIG romance between the Captain and the CMO (the latter wasn't on the show anymore), gave the Cap a new chick and then pretended the first romance never happened. Several other popular characters got replaced and while there were still some good ideas, the finale was just ridiculous. There was a S3 and there was yet again new characters replacing a lot of old ones. While the season wasn't as bad as S2, it was just boring and I have never managed to finish it. And the show died after this. A real shame. SQ is a childhood favourite of mine and I am very fond of S1.

And a very old example in I Love Lucy. It's actually really enjoyable to watch nowadays (though probably not for everyone, but that's fine). But I've only managed to finish S5 once and S6 never. The plots do get too outlandish and there are too many guest stars that ruin the feel of the show, but the real reason is just the obvious failing realtionship of Ball and Arnaz. They were super cute together in S1-4 and the love and respect they had for one another both on screen and IRL was so strong, it carried the show in a lot of ways. But S5 (maybe even late S4, it's been a while) is when the cracks start appearing and you can tell they're struggling with each other. And the show loses a lot of magic after that.

 

[AnOminous]

Arrested Development was really good for a few seasons but I never finished watching even its first run. The second one on Netflix seemed unwatchable so I didn't even try.

Six Feet Under was also really close to completely going off the rails, especially in the atrociously incoherent fourth season, but came back strong in the second half of the fifth season. Still, there was never a full return to the absolute brilliance of the first season in which every single episode was one of the best episodes of television ever aired.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

My first falling out was with Pokemon when I was a kid. The first couple episodes of Advanced seemed like an interesting idea, having Ash as the mentor character and showing everything he's learnt to a new trainer made me start to forgive how Johto was so dragged out, and then the first episode they're on their own, they sit down for lunch and it turns out Ash never packed a lunch because it didn't occur to him to, and then Brock shows up so he can go right back into the rookie role and everything goes back to how it was before. No thanks.

Pokemon gets so much leeway with fans due to nostalgia; I can't believe you sat through a literal 500+ episodes of filler in Johto alone before Advanced was the last straw.
It took a whole hell of a lot shorter for me, honestly. Like, Orange Islands.

But yeah, you haven't missed much. The whole show is an intentional and perpetual status quo, and it's gone on so long, Ash is actually younger now than when he started, haha.

 

[Pissmaster]

I tried watching the new series of Cosmos last night, Cosmos: Possible Worlds

It's just preachy crap, and whatever wasn't preachy was just a retread of the 2014 series, to the point where I had to double check to make sure I didn't accidentally click that instead. But then again, what could I have really expected from a pop science TV show produced during Clown World?

Also, the CG was laughably bad.

 

[The Penultimate Warrior]

Big one from my childhood was Red Dwarf. I absolutely loved the first six seasons and was so excited they were making a seventh, counting down the days until it released, Then it dropped and wow.........to this day I still haven't seen a series that declined so dramatically so quickly. Think of it as Simpsons season 5 being followed by season 15.

Also gave up on The Walking Dead when they went back to Atlanta. It was already terminally slow, but having spent years walking in a big circle was the final straw.

 

[LordofTendons]

Once Upon a Time - Around the end of season four with the endless flip-flopping of characters previously mentioned. Regina is bad, Regina is good. I honestly got tired of them messing with her and her flipping at the drop of a hat. Plus it seemed like the show would go with a story for half of a season, they would all be stuck someplace, and the art department would use a monochrome color palette, and I got sick of simply looking at the show, let alone paying actual attention to it.

Suits - I watched this with my human. The show was OK for the first 3 seasons. It stuck to a formula and it didn't focus too much on dumb personal problems, and I didn't think too much about it. Then for some reason in season four the main character got his period and just could not stop whining, and Meghan Markle could not stop crying. And these were the glory days when Meghan was the worst part of the show. They were splitting the seasons, airing the first half before Christmas and the second half in the spring after I forgot about the first half. So I quit watching, but my human didn't and pouted, so I would stay in the room while it was on and do stuff on my laptop. When that chick from 27 Dresses joined the show that was it and I wouldn't even stay in the room any more.

White Collar - In the final show of season 3, Matt Bomer jumped off of a building with a parachute, and did some kind of Indiana Jones thing sliding under a door grabbing his fedora. I knew the show was never going to be as good after that and it never was. In the middle of season 4 I got a survey about the show and I told them the wife of the FBI guy should have an affair and move to DC. She didn't and the show suffered for it. I didn't watch it after that.

South Park - They rarely have a funny episode anymore. It's a chore to sit through, hoping that I'll laugh. I'm done.

Star Trek - I think I was done when they dropped a bridge on Kirk in the movies, but I keep watching these new series, and none of them have even been decent. I kept quitting the shows halfway through after TNG. ST Picard is just bad and I was done with that after the first episode. I've watched both seasons of Discovery though because it's like watching a train wreck.

Defiance - The first season was really good. The second season was OK. I dropped out in the third season because too many actors left, so the plot veered off in to the ditch. I have no idea what happened. This was on SyFy and they seemed to want to become a trash TV channel anyway.

The Office - This should have ended with season 3. It should have been put out of its misery when they aired that episode where Michael Scott reneged on the scholarships for those underprivileged kids. It should have been burned to the ground when the main plot became about Jim and Pam's marriage problems. I like to watch Jim's pranks on Dwight on you tube now. That's about it.

Supergirl - Another one I watched with the human. I was out in the second season after it switched networks and got super-preachy. I told him if he ever ran that shit on my TV again I would shoot the TV. He did it anyway after I went to bed and a couple of months later the TV died anyway. I swear it wasn't me.

HBO, as an entire channel, after Game of Thrones collapsed in on itself like a dying star.