Sid Meier's Civilization

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Mordecai 3 Finger Brown said:

We were talking about the oldhat Saxy Gamer YouTuber returning & commenting on Civ7 recently.

He published a longform critique today.

I only watched the first little bit of it. Nothing particularly notable.

It's nice to hear his voice again though shitting all over the newish Civ7 slop.
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What they did to civ is a total crime

RIP
 

Another Civ6 streamer Boesthius released a six-month "State of Civ7" YT update.

Boes is a former Musician, left-leaning, from California, known for his bushy beard & facial piercings. He found Civ6 streaming fame during COVID on Twitch. He loves National Parks. He was quite a skilled & popular Civ6 player. Him quitting & disappearing with Civ7 isn't earth-shattering news because he burned out previously a few times with Civ6.

- I'm so detached from the Civ7 scene, I hadn't realized he stopped making content.
- He said he hadn't opened Civ7 since March 26th, 2025 after putting about 300 hours into the game with his embargo early release copy
- He started playing it again over the last week with the last few patches
- He's not really streaming at all, instead doing editing for other creators
- He doesn't find Civ7 fun, thinks the core problems are baked in & unfixable.
- He was one of the streamers flown to Baltimore with early access to ge wined & dined prerelease.
- He's frustrated that feedback he gave them was still not implemented at launch & 9 months later (He seems particularly annoyed they broke Tech Tree queuing).
- He doesn't plan on streaming Civ7 content beyond an odd challenge.
- He says he noticed throughout the dev cycle that it was a reccurrent theme in their messaging that Firaxis was trying to solve the problem that Civ players don't finish their games.
- Boes thinks they broke the core gameplay solving a problem that didn't really exist.
- He hates the Ages system & the rigid Legacy paths, tends to quit & restart whenever the Antiquity age ends.
 
Mordecai 3 Finger Brown said:
He's frustrated that feedback he gave them was still not implemented at launch & 9 months later
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I wish he would understand that the very practices and standards he advocates for are exactly those which lead to the bureaucratic mess that Fraxis has become. When you need approval from 5 different product managers, an executive who never played a video game, a sensitivity consultant who is literally paid to find problems, and the H.R. lady to make sure you have enough browns on the dev team, of course there is going to be a delay in fixing these issues. In its current state it will remain uncreative, bland, safe, and gimmicky. And nothing will be fixed in a timely manner unless the time spent not working on the next project justifies it.

And he'll buy it anyways just like all the other reviewer who 'dislike' it
 
I've been playing CIV VI again, and it's terrible. I like some of the dynamic weather with the volcanoes and floods, the ability to make canals, Giant Death Robots (I named mine George Droyd) but that's about it. I hate the workers expire, I hate the AI seems to obviously cheat more with units and moves that seem impossible, I hate that in the atomic era, I still get barbarians with atomic level units, I hate the loyalty mechanic where I literally cannot take some cities, or found some cities because it immediately becomes disloyal and rebels, I hate that the AI can overwhelm my cities with infinite missionaries, but as soon I send on to them it's the worst thing ever and they denounce me. The whole diplomatic favor thing is fucked, I took a civ capital in the very early stage and I'm now in the atomic era and all the civs still hold it against me while losing diplomatic favor). Literally all of them hate me - including other Civs that took other capitals and city states. I even brought back a civ after liberating the city and they immediately denounced me (then rebelled and went back to the previous civ). My only goal now is to completely obliterate every other civ and save all my nukes for india. After this, I'm uninstalling the game.

I just got CIV III on GOG via amazon for free so I'll give that a try next. I started with IV and never played I-III.
 
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indomitable snowman said:
I've been playing CIV VI again, and it's terrible.
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I'm still playing mostly exclusively Civ6 heavily modded. But all your complaints are perfectly valid.

I'm using a mod currently that creates a Level 9 difficulty, one above Deity. I'm mostly using it to try to make the AI militarily competent.

But the AI is so bad, it still doesn't work. The mod gives the AI such big production bonuses that they soon cover every square of the their territory with military units, making war a slog and taking cities near impossible.

But the other big immersion-breaking issue is that in the off chance that I actually do steal a city (usually by a sneak attack from the sea with naval dominance), the AI is so broken that they don't even attempt to retake their captured city despite every tile in my newly captured city being occupied by an enemy unit. Similarly, they don't even attack or try to reoccupy the rebel city when I inevitably lose control of it and it flips to neutral. They just sit there like tile-blocking bumps on a log.

The only units that actually attack in these scenarios are ranged ones. I'm sure every tile being occupied with a unit is fucking with the AI pathfinding for melee units.

But even when mods tweak gameplay with overwhelming odds, the AI still isn't a military threat and simply sit there like lumps of clay.

Seeing the AI fight each other even with the ability to produce huge armies is similarly disappointing. Sometimes an AI aggressor has armies 5-6x the size of the defender, but hundreds of turns goes by without the frontline moving an inch.
 
indomitable snowman said:
I've been playing CIV VI again, and it's terrible. I like some of the dynamic weather with the volcanoes and floods, the ability to make canals, Giant Death Robots (I named mine George Droyd) but that's about it. I hate the workers expire, I hate the AI seems to obviously cheat more with units and moves that seem impossible, I hate that in the atomic era, I still get barbarians with atomic level units, I hate the loyalty mechanic where I literally cannot take some cities, or found some cities because it immediately becomes disloyal and rebels, I hate that the AI can overwhelm my cities with infinite missionaries, but as soon I send on to them it's the worst thing ever and they denounce me. The whole diplomatic favor thing is fucked, I took a civ capital in the very early stage and I'm now in the atomic era and all the civs still hold it against me while losing diplomatic favor). Literally all of them hate me - including other Civs that took other capitals and city states. I even brought back a civ after liberating the city and they immediately denounced me (then rebelled and went back to the previous civ). My only goal now is to completely obliterate every other civ and save all my nukes for india. After this, I'm uninstalling the game.

I just got CIV III on GOG via amazon for free so I'll give that a try next. I started with IV and never played I-III.
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Those were all of the things I hated about CIV VI. Germany would slap down a city next to me right at the beginning of the game, zerg rush warriors and when I captured the city. Would hate me for the entire game. Along with everyone else. CIV VI hates war to an astounding degree and seems to have a way you're supposed to play. I just want to wipe out my enemies and have a large sprawling civilization with lots of cities and nukes for when the subhumans(India) start bothering me. Is that so much to ask?
 
OutInTheRain said:
Would hate me for the entire game. Along with everyone else. CIV VI hates war to an astounding degree and seems to have a way you're supposed to play.
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The meta to avoid game-long warmongering penalties in Civ6 is to only pillage during war for spoils & to return all cities back to the losing side upon suing for peace to essentially bankrupt the competition.

It allows one to wage occasional & repeat skirmishes with AI opponents so that there's actually a point to maintaining a standing army besides warding off barbarian raids & unlocking Eurekas. And to simply stave off boredom.

I was reading some of the text prompts the other day. If you return any cities you capture during war back to them during peace negotiations, the grievances you accumulated for sacking the city are actually reversed back to zero (and double if you keep the cities after the peace settlement).

You can't raze captured cities to the ground as an alternative either. The grievances for burning their cities to ash may eventually slowly regress to zero, but there's essentially a secondary Friendliness debuff that's so permanent & large that the aggrieved Civ will continually denounce you for the rest of the game regardless of future behavior.
 
Begun, the Civ VII Layoffs have.
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Chickenpolar said:
Begun, the Civ VII Layoffs have.
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nosemouth said:
They'd probably have better luck if they didn't mention working on Midnight Suns or Civ 7.
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It's not the worst strategy I suppose.

But it really shows that leftists still have too much faith in the system that they get laid off then immediately run to social media to powerlevel, collect sympathy updoots and post their quasi-resume.

Not sure if the screenshots were Twitter or BlueSky, but also telling that in their darkest hour, they still run to the evil Nazi social media platforms they "loathe" so much as their first impulse.

It's reminiscent of the naive people with misplaced faith trying to report H1B job postings to the very government agencies that are 100% in on the scam.
 
indomitable snowman said:
I've been playing CIV VI again, and it's terrible. I like some of the dynamic weather with the volcanoes and floods, the ability to make canals, Giant Death Robots
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The war shit is bad enough, but I can’t fucking stand the natural disasters.

I enjoy rise and fall with Barbarians off, because I can just steamroll people. Fuck diplomacy, I’m winning a science victory through sheer aggression.
 
Mordecai 3 Finger Brown said:
Not sure if the screenshots were Twitter or BlueSky, but also telling that in their darkest hour, they still run to the evil Nazi social media platforms they "loathe" so much as their first impulse.
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They were BlueSky — popped up my feed reposted by a personal lolcow. I should have linked.

Didn't even think to check Twitter yesterday. Scrolling through a "Firaxis" search this morning only turned up GameJourno links. There were two "go woke, go broke" mocking posts so it's Total Firaxis Apathy.
 
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