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Haven't played the game, only know vague details about the plot.
I've heard apparently there is some big kerfuffle between people complaining the game is feminazi "men bad" media, and other people calling those people incels. But of course, the fun part about being a sapient person is that you can wait for conflicts to blow over and then decide for yourself how you feel about things. People on the internet are incapable of this, sadly.

Okay, Ill simply break down the themes then, for starters there are exactly 3 male characters in the entire plot
Shu, the "best friend next door" who is secretly (but everyone knows except Hinako) deeply romantically and platonically in love with Hinako, he wants Hinako to resolve her internal problems and he is willing to stick with any and all answers or outcomes she decides on, obviously he hopes that she will leave her Husband to be and choose him, but he knows its not likely.
Shu developed a drug to help this process using what we know to be White Claudia, and had given this to Hinako before her Wedding, both of which are 20 years old in reality, this drug causes the entire events of the game, as Hinako is in essentially a Spirited Journey both inside her self, and also the Spirit realm, covorting with higher powers that have their machinations over her.

Kotoyuki, the betrothed, depicted as Fox Mask most of the game, is a young man who also fell in love with Hinako from an interaction where she saved him and took care of him form a violent incident when they were very young, she doesn't remember this incident at all, but this became a core driving force for Kotoyuki, who spends the rest of his life working to secure connections, wealth and also make himself the head of his noble family who he was a Bastard of, he succeeds on all accounts into his 20's, essentially a fucking impossibly driven go-getter, all so he could be the "Prince" to ask for the hand in marriage of the girl who saved him as a child.
Possibly, he was driven by these desires by the O-Inari O Kami, AKA the Fox Gods, who he is, if you are to believe the spirit realm shit in the game, descendent from, and they basically put a spell on him to seek out Hinako and marry her.
Regardless of this wrinkle, he's polite, considerate, caring and deeply loves Hinako and wants her to be happy.

Hinako's Father is the 3rd man in the game, and is a hard working, but alcoholic man, who had his saved funds as a younger man stolen by his to-be business partner, putting him into debt, he spends the rest of his life trying to take care of his wife, and his two daughters, and struggles with conforming to what society expects of a Head of the House, and fell into booze, Hinako's mother develops brain cancer and the Father is broached by Kotoyuki for HInako's hand in marriage and will pay for all of the treatments and then some, the marriage is arranged, and despite him going through with it, Father is stricken with guilt over it, the game goes out of its way to lie to you about this person in your first playthrough, but on unlocking more endings it becomes apparent he deeply cares, but is just sort of an asshole about it, because he thinks he has to be, despite this, he deeply apologizes because he comes to the realization that his actions might make Hinako hate men.

I think with this you can pretty much assume the actual themes.. its societal isolation, Hinako's character has been gone over in this thread, but essentially she doesn't hate men, or the marriage, she hates that she has been isolated from society, and all her decisions are made for her, she likes Kotoyuki quite a bit, and would like a real relationship with him, but she also fears becoming how she see's her own Mother, depicted as a faceless slave, same as how she sees herself on getting Married, her entire childhood was isolation from men and women who viewed her as odd for having any qualms with just going with the flow, the game doesn't' depict "men bad" or "Patriarchy bad", as much as it depicts everyone in the plot as bad, Hinako included, as she simply refuses to make a decision at all, causing internal turmoil as depicted by their being Two Hinakos, battling it out.
 
so they should have just made an anime and called it fox bride or something, and the universe would have been better off
 
so they should have just made an anime and called it fox bride or something, and the universe would have been better off
I mean it has as much thematic connection to silent hill as SH2 does with SH2 winning out by being the actual location.

at least this has White Claudia drug use, to touch the divine, but yes its pretty fucking tangential, Silent HIll is at its core, people who used mystical drugs to steal Divine Power from the spiritually dense land and making the unreal, namely the nightmares of people, actual reality.

Silent Hill Forte fucks up in that.. none of this is taking place in reality, even if the Fox God is real, he's still firmly crossing over from Unreality to Dream, not reality itself, every last Silent Hill takes place in the real world, with "dream" elements being brought INTO the real world.

this is the best critique of SH F, it misses the core theme, of unreality made real.
 
Played it, beat it, enjoyed it. f gets special points for not having the following:
-Pyramid or any other ____head
-That cunt Mary Elizabeth McGlynn singing some fucking song
-“Hey remember Silent Hill 2????????” Trophies or Easter eggs
-A carbon copy of Silent Hill’s town layout and level choices but in Japan
-Silent Hill 2’s plot but worse
-I don’t know, some other dumb bullshit the other post Team Silent games did, like that fucking mailman fuck him too
 
-I don’t know, some other dumb bullshit the other post Team Silent games did, like that fucking mailman fuck him too
People shitting on F (its alright lol) while Downpour is right there, ready for the boots to put to it for eternity are baffling to me.

Every single part of that game is awful, or awful AND a fucking travesty to the franchise, so much minutia about its awful, its somehow Silent Hill but has become fucking Chicago, with skyscrapers and a fucking Clock Tower as big as Big Ben.
the God Damn "Punished D.J." who immediately vanishes once met.. just so fuckin much about that game is comically bad.
 
I’m more concerned with a silent hill 3 remake becoming cringe than any other game in the series.
SH3 is cringe... in all the best ways possible.
It's my favorite campy horror B movie.

It didn't have the raw terror of the original due to being a sequel thus there's little room for surprises and major revelations, nor did it have the psychological horror of 2 that set it apart from 1, but it did what it was supposed to do impeccably.

What's the point of dividing the player base besides pandering to the lowest common denominator.
Some people are gluttons for punishment and have the puritan mindset of "if it wasn't painfully difficult, you did it wrong".
Others are drooling apes who need help figuring out what number comes after 3.

its somewhat better than SH4,
Oh sure, the game that can't decide if it's a metaphor for drug abuse or a champion for 21st century feminist creeds in 20th century pre-internet/pre-cable TV rural Japan is better than the game that executed the serial killer from the grave trope better than Shadow Man and inspired a good deal of devs and designers.


If nothing else, SH4 has mood for days and a unified vision. SHf wants to be at least 5 different games, none of them actually being Silent Hill.

I've heard apparently there is some big kerfuffle between people complaining the game is feminazi "men bad" media,
Mostly because the one grown male adult in the game, Hinako's father, is portrayed as an absolute deadbeat despite being a common stereotype of 60s Japanese rural men and Hinako acting
like a pedantic teenager living in LA- complete anathema to what a 60s teen, even a rebellious one, would act like. Yes, playing every ending and reading every letter will reveal her dad is not a deadbeat for real and just a man on hard times living in a very judgmental Japanese village, but no one except die hards will collect all the letters and play the game up to 6 different times for every ending.

My problem was that the game never explains why Hinako wants to be so free and independent.
They only hammer that she wants to be herself and make her own choices, but never do we get to know what it is she likes, wants, and desires from life so badly that marrying someone she admits she likes and would be fine spending her life with would ruin.
I don't know what makes her smile. I don't know what her major goals are.
She's a 1960s Japanese rural hick yet thinks and acts like an urban zoomer.
Yes, being arranged to marry someone isn't good, but that's from the mind of a 21st century westerner.
In 60s Japan practically no one would side with Hinako against her father, and even today in a majority of the world- that stuff happens and their societies think it's a good thing.
If they were so hellbent on this storyline, they should've set it in 1970s America/Europe.

Anyway, I suppose if i have a gripe, I'm a little miffed that we're getting more feminine horror when Silent Hill 3 is kind of already the apex of that genre.
It's feminine horror that doesn't alienate men. It's a story that stars a woman yet the focus is on her journey.
With Hinako it's made so that her journey is fiercely tied to her current-day-in=the-west mindset. You can't separate it lest the story make no sense.

Should've just stuck to the drug abuse allegory, Konami. I'd be more receptive of the game if the story was about a girl who rejected her life so much she became an addict and went insane. Why yes, I have played Cry of Fear, why do you ask?
 
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From what it sounds like, reception would have been massively better had it not been a Silent Hill game, though even then the game got swamped by the retarded culture war. I expected things to be massively worse than the centuries long plotline of a love triangle between the good and kind poor guy, and the sexy and dangerous rich guy.
 
From what it sounds like, reception would have been massively better had it not been a Silent Hill game, though even then the game got swamped by the retarded culture war. I expected things to be massively worse than the centuries long plotline of a love triangle between the good and kind poor guy, and the sexy and dangerous rich guy.
Here's the thing, I dont believe reception would have been better. If anything it probably would have been ignored. Like sure you have the Higarashi fans but without the license who's to say it wouldn't have ended up like the Callisto Protocol in reception
 
Nobody played downpour it was a console exclusive for a series that had long since lost its reputation and barely had any marketing. Also downpour isn't worse than homecoming.
Downpour is significantly worse than Homecoming

In 60s Japan practically no one would side with Hinako against her father, and even today in a majority of the world- that stuff happens and their societies think it's a good thing.

I think that's kinda the point, Hinako is the odd one out, it isn't saying arranged marriages are bad, men are bad or any of that, its just Hinako going against the grain and causing turmoil for herself and others, but not even really, because she DOES go along with the marriage till the day of, and would have, if not for the White Claudia that gave her introspection.

Hinako is not the driving force for potential change and chaos in this game, Shu is, by means of the drug.
 
People shitting on F (its alright lol) while Downpour is right there, ready for the boots to put to it for eternity are baffling to me.
I was thinking only about Downpour when I brought up the mailman but then I realized they put him in Book of Memories too. Like he was going to be the crypt keeper or some magical negro trope that was supposed to pop up and be “oh lawd, got yourself in Silent Hill did you? Hoo-wee” in games.
 
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I was thinking only about Downpour when I brought up the mailman but then I realized they put him in Book of Memories too. Like he was going to be the crypt keeper or some magical negro trope that was supposed to pop up and be “oh lawd, got yourself in Silent Hill did you? Hoo-wee” in games.
he's retarded just as a concept, the amount of human characters you should interact with in Silent Hill should be kept at an extreme minimum, all the games focus on isolation in some regard, and that can't happen when you run into 9 side characters like in Downpour.
the fucking Pedo Bus Drivers, MAGICAL NEGRO MAILMAIN, D.J. Bobby Ricks, The Nun, the two completely unnamed Children that serve no purpose.
Memory Good Cop, Memory Bad Cop, the Cop Daughter, numerous SPOOOOKY Ghosts that aren't even fuckin enemies but literal hauntings...

ANYONE who rates Downpour above any other Silent Hill is a retard, or has the fuzziest most vague memories of it.. the Otherworld is just Whacky Slides and running from a nondiscript, never explained Blagh Hole.. just so fuckin much about it is baffling and shitty.
 
ANYONE who rates Downpour above any other Silent Hill is a retard, or has the fuzziest most vague memories of it.. the Otherworld is just Whacky Slides and running from a nondiscript, never explained Blagh Hole.. just so fuckin much about it is baffling and shitty.
After SH4, If they would have just sold a DVD box that opens with a note that said, “There use to be a great game franchise here”, it would have been better than anything released after 4.
 
From what it sounds like, reception would have been massively better had it not been a Silent Hill game, though even then the game got swamped by the retarded culture war. I expected things to be massively worse than the centuries long plotline of a love triangle between the good and kind poor guy, and the sexy and dangerous rich guy.
Pretty much. It’s essentially just a Ryukishi07 story with Silent Hill’s name slapped onto it.

And re: Downpour, the game has always been straight garbage. Between the DJ character and the fucking “boogeyman” so many parts of it are laughably bad.
 
Pretty much. It’s essentially just a Ryukishi07 story with Silent Hill’s name slapped onto it.

And re: Downpour, the game has always been straight garbage. Between the DJ character and the fucking “boogeyman” so many parts of it are laughably bad.
I would say the one thread that ties SH1-4, and Forte together is that all the stories are about people who want things that are impossible, and only the Unreality can achieve them, and the consequences for touching the eldritch divine to get it.
SH1 and 3 is the Cult and their desires.
SH2 is well, everyone's, James wants Mary even though he killed her
Sh4 is Walter's.
SHF is Hinako, Shu, and Kotoyuki, they all want the impossible, the best ending involves none of them getting it.
 
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