Simulated reality

Shaved Kiwis said:
Dang, between this and finding out that dinosaur DNA breaks down after like 50 thousand years (even in amber) I'm really starting to get worried about the potential for a sentient AI to cause a nuclear holocaust and create badass cyborgs to fight a war with the remnants of humanity.




You need to smoke less weed dudebro. Googling stuff must not be part of your NPC interaction loop. VR has been around in one form or another since before you were born. https://www.pcmag.com/feature/343351/the-wacky-world-of-vr-in-the-80s-and-90s

Besides, If you really wanna free your mind LSD is where it's at.
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Yes I'm aware of all of that and that's not what I was getting at
 
Kamiii said:
"In a paper published in the journal Science Advances, Zohar Ringel and Dmitry Kovrizhi show that constructing a computer simulation of a particular quantum phenomenon that occurs in metals is impossible – not just practically, but in principle."

Physicists find we’re not living in a computer simulation | Cosmos

The sci-fi trope might now be put to rest after scientists find the suggestion that reality is computer generated is in principle impossible, writes Andrew
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Wow this is such a horrible piece of "scientific" "journalism".
The paper doesn't say that at all. It just says it can't be computed in polynomial time using QMC, i.e. not practical but possible in principle.
 
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garakfan69 said:
Wow this is such a horrible piece of "scientific" "journalism".
The paper doesn't say that at all. It just says it can't be computed in polynomial time using QMC, i.e. not practical but possible in principle.
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Exactly
You can't trust anything a human says because you're all NPCs stuck in the stone ages.
Goddamn fucking watch Serial Experiments Lain.
 
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@Hikikomori-Yume Do you believe that virtual reality is a jewish invention meant to distract the white race with hedonistic pleasure in an attempt to prevent them from breeding? You seem like the type who would believe something like that.
 
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Hikikomori-Yume said:
Reactionary NPC, they appear every single time.
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You know, I wonder if this is just a subset of the Kafka trap, or if there's a separate term for the dumb shit you're doing here in an effort to explain my dislike of you as being part of my "programming" as an NPC, instead of a reasonable reaction to your fucking autistic schizoposting.

You're one of the only people on here who I actually wish would come to some sort of bodily harm, because not a single interaction with you has been pleasant or informative in any way so far. I honestly hope you fuck off to some other corner of the internet so I don't have to read your inane navel-gazing "intellectual musings" anymore.
 
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Hikikomori-Yume said:
Exactly
You can't trust anything a human says because you're all NPCs stuck in the stone ages.
Goddamn fucking watch Serial Experiments Lain.
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Ironic or not, people like you are why I never tell anyone I even remotely enjoy SEL.
Also you should play ForumWarz it'll blow your mind.
 
Hikikomori-Yume said:
Some of you here might be familiar with the Simulated Reality Theory, which states that this universe is being rendered either by something external (or what I prose it is rendering itself).
Here is the thing, yes that is most likely what our universe is, a computer that is sort of a living organism, but here is the thing and bare with me on this ...

I unironically believe you are all NPCs and that I am inside some sort of virtual reality world at the moment.
I have been wondering about this for some time now and the more I think about it the more likely it seems.
Here is the truth, within 20 to 50 years there will be technology released to the public that will forever transform human civilization and alter the human state, people will become merged with technology, some literally though BCI (brain to computer interface) technology and others (the majority) though augmented reality and virtual reality.
With all that said, the technology and means to manipulate reality exist, and with that being the case then humanity should have destroyed itself by now, any other living civilization in the universe should have as well.
Either we are all consumed by some all-power A.I. god or control grid or humans destroy their reality in the race to achieve god-like status.
So what is holding this reality together?
I think that for any single reality there can only be one person actually alive inside of it, or, I'm inside some VR prison that is being run by a machine in the "real reality" that is being controlled by an ASI god/control grid.
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Either you watching anime all the time caused you to develop some kind of advanced stage of autism, you are perpetually under the influence of very potent narcotics or you fell head first into concrete when you were born, because almost every single thing I've seen you post on this site competes with @Shiversblood in terms of incoherency. The only difference is that his posts are funny.
 
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Doc Cassidy said:
I also highly recommend anyone who hasn't read the original essay to do so because it's quite fascinating. I know you likely struggle with the academic tone but I'll be happy to help explain it to you if you ask. I'm always happy to share my incredible knowledge.
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That essay is gibberish on the technical issues. It's fascinating to laymen who aren't familiar with the numbers.

Really, the worrying thing about this paper, to me, is how easily former programmers become effectively laymen when they retire from programming. Like, not the author, the author is a middle aged philosophy professor who probably still has porn on VHS tapes.

But there's former programmers who quit programming and nowadays occasionally ramble about AI sentience. They haven't programmed in 20 years, but people still look up to them.

That's the scary thing: quitting programming (like getting promoted to a manager position) and losing touch with technology. You turn into a boomer who can't figure out how to turn on the hyperporn mode of his VR system without his kids' help.

Programmer kiwis: never stop programming, your brain turns to mush.
 
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Marvin said:
That essay is gibberish on the technical issues. It's fascinating to laymen who aren't familiar with the numbers.

Really, the worrying thing about this paper, to me, is how easily former programmers become effectively laymen when they retire from programming. Like, not the author, the author is a middle aged philosophy professor who probably still has porn on VHS tapes.

But there's former programmers who quit programming and nowadays occasionally ramble about AI sentience. They haven't programmed in 20 years, but people still look up to them.

That's the scary thing: quitting programming (like getting promoted to a manager position) and losing touch with technology. You turn into a boomer who can't figure out how to turn on the hyperporn mode of his VR system without his kids' help.

Programmer kiwis: never stop programming, your brain turns to mush.
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I've always looked up to Marvin Minsky and agree with him on more things than I do John McCarthy, but every time I read his work or watched his lectures I'd always think "so where is this AI you keep writing philosophy about?"
Now we'll never know because he's dead :[
 
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Marvin said:
That essay is gibberish on the technical issues. It's fascinating to laymen who aren't familiar with the numbers.

Really, the worrying thing about this paper, to me, is how easily former programmers become effectively laymen when they retire from programming. Like, not the author, the author is a middle aged philosophy professor who probably still has porn on VHS tapes.

But there's former programmers who quit programming and nowadays occasionally ramble about AI sentience. They haven't programmed in 20 years, but people still look up to them.

That's the scary thing: quitting programming (like getting promoted to a manager position) and losing touch with technology. You turn into a boomer who can't figure out how to turn on the hyperporn mode of his VR system without his kids' help.

Programmer kiwis: never stop programming, your brain turns to mush.
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That's some interesting elitism.

Since they haven't had the "proper" education we can just ignore everything they say no matter how much sense they make. They're just uneducated nerds that taught themselves programming before most academics were even aware computers were even a thing, so fuck them.

Right?
 
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The Fool said:
I've always looked up to Marvin Minsky and agree with him on more things than I do John McCarthy, but every time I read his work or watched his lectures I'd always think "so where is this AI you keep writing philosophy about?"
Now we'll never know because he's dead :[
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I'm a huge lisp nerd, so I'm definitely a fan of John McCarthy.

I give old school AI guys like Marvin Minsky a break because of how much advancement they saw in their lives. It's not unreasonable to have been optimistic going through all that.

But it's a different time now and we should be more realistic.

Moore's law is slowing down. We're getting to the point where our transistors are literally a few atoms sandwiched together. I'm sure technology will still manage to pull some neat tricks out of its sleeve to keep progress going for a few more decades. And quantum computing will help kick the can down the road a bit.

But it's not indefinite, and lol, it definitely won't give us artificial sentience.
Doc Cassidy said:
That's some interesting elitism.

Since they haven't had the "proper" education we can just ignore everything they say no matter how much sense they make. They're just uneducated nerds that taught themselves programming before most academics were even aware computers were even a thing, so fuck them.

Right?
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I don't really feel it as elitism. I think most people are expert tier at one, maybe two big things in their lives. I respect knowledgeable people in other fields and defer to their expertise as much as I can.

When people try to spread themselves too thin, I think you get in situations like tech dipshits thinking they're brilliant at economics or medicine, and end up blowing all their money on dogecoin or poisoning themselves to live to 180.

Edit: Oh, and I don't care about education.
 
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Marvin said:
I'm a huge lisp nerd, so I'm definitely a fan of John McCarthy.

I give old school AI guys like Marvin Minsky a break because of how much advancement they saw in their lives. It's not unreasonable to have been optimistic going through all that.

But it's a different time now and we should be more realistic.

Moore's law is slowing down. We're getting to the point where our transistors are literally a few atoms sandwiched together. I'm sure technology will still manage to pull some neat tricks out of its sleeve to keep progress going for a few more decades. And quantum computing will help kick the can down the road a bit.

But it's not indefinite, and lol, it definitely won't give us artificial sentience.
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I don't buy that excuse. I'm not even asking for a full-blown HAL 9000, just, fucking something. Make something on the same cognitive and emotional level of a five year old child or an African grey parrot. Just, absolutely anything, any kind of proof of concept, just anything even remotely close to an entire functioning brain, not just various bits and pieces of one. All we have right now are are dumb-as-shit chatbots and neural networks that can paste dog faces on images. It feels like people are trying to fly by gluing chicken feathers to their arms and nobody's even attempting to design an actual wing.
 
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Marvin said:
Moore's law is slowing down. We're getting to the point where our transistors are literally a few atoms sandwiched together.
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People have been saying that for decades but maybe this time you'll be right :lol:
 
The Fool said:
I don't buy that excuse. I'm not even asking for a full-blown HAL 9000, just, fucking something. Make something on the same cognitive and emotional level of a five year old child or an African grey parrot. Just, absolutely anything, any kind of proof of concept, just anything even remotely close to an entire functioning brain, not just various bits and pieces of one. All we have right now are are dumb-as-shit chatbots and neural networks that can paste dog faces on images. It feels like people are trying to fly by gluing chicken feathers to their arms and nobody's even attempting to design an actual wing.
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Honestly? I feel like we should start with insects. I think trying to shove a simulation of a fistful of neurons and expecting them to work together (even with a "lot" of training) is absurd.

Like, might as well graft some wires to some of my neurons and see of we can beam images into my head. Oh, I know they're not hooked up right, but don't worry, we'll run training on it and eventually this black box algorithm will pick out the right connections.
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People have been saying that for decades but maybe this time you'll be right :lol:
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No, Moore's law was a very predictable and logical consequence of the fact that the first inventors of the transistor really didn't try as hard as they could've. Everyone knew it'd be an arms race that would last a long time.

But the nature of it, fitting more things onto a small area, inherently has a stopping point where you're squeezing the smallest possible things, atoms, together. (Or maybe quantum particles, but like I said, that just stretches out the runway a bit longer.)
 
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