Simulation/Dream Theory - How deep does the rabbit hole go?

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A recent theory that's caught on in the public consciousness over the past couple of years is the Simulation theory, the theory that we are all living in some inconceivably sized simulation and that we are not real. I'll be honest in that there have been a few moments in my life where I've had intense feelings of deja vu to the point that it did feel like a 'glitch in the matrix'. Despite that I think the theory's nothing more than a product of too many clouded and navel gazing minds looking to explain away life's many baffling and arbitrary oddities with a modern solution. With that being said, what are your thoughts on this line of thought?
 
We are all merely the dream of the great god Azathoth, as was stated by the prophet Lovecraft.
This is common knowlage.

In all seriousness though, why should people care?
Let's say everything's a simulation. I still need to eat, sleep and breath. Nothing changes in this world/simulation whether the theory's true or not.
The only reason I would ever care is if someone finds a way to influence the simulation. That might be interesting.
 
If it's all a simulation then it's a pretty boring simulation to be honest, and one with no discernible end goal which essentially precludes it from being a simulation.
In fairness, the simulation could be a 1 second execution of a program in the "real world" to collect data on something very specific. Meawhile our boring existance could just be a side effect of the simulation.

A good example would be a game like dwarf fortress.
Dozens of towns, hamlets and cities, hundreds of forgotten beasts and thousands of deer and antelope are simulated. The history of countless dwarfs, goblins, humans and elves are generated, setting in motion hundreds upon hundreds of different events effecting all the simulated world in some manner. Yet these events and entities are never even encountered by the player, the very person the simulation is made for.
 
An advanced enough simulation is a universe unto itself. It stops being a simulation at some point.

If it's all a simulation then it's a pretty boring simulation to be honest, and one with no discernible end goal which essentially precludes it from being a simulation.

The arguments are typically that we're NPC's or this is an ancestor simulation from the future.
 
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There are two discussions to be had, if and how we could interface with such a simulation and if this leads us to question whether our experiences are 'real'. It's interesting to think of our world as a game, the possibility of code injection is a neat idea. See this video for what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0

I have more to add regarding skepticism.
Philosophically speaking Descartes was the progenitor of this idea. He imagined an all-powerful demon that betrayed him, that made him feel what he felt, think what he though etc. How do we avoid this extreme version of skepticism? In Descartes case he was saved by thought: "I think therefore I am." So he at least knew he existed, this coupled with his belief in God made him cast away his skepticism. But what are those without an unwavering devotion to God to do?

As others have noted it seems meaningless to even question the nature of our reality in this way, but why? The late Wittgenstein meant that it was meaningless in the literal sense, as in this is an incorrect use of our language. He imagines language as a game with rules, only certain phrases can fit together and thought to some extent that philosophy just had to clarify when we had made a breach of those rules. In this case, doubt can only come from a position of certainty. If you don't know what a circle is, it would be a misuse of the term 'doubt' to say "I doubt the area of a circle is the radius squared times pi". We would be breaking the rules of the term 'doubt' if we doubted everything. Unless we implicitly assume the existence of the world that would host the simulation of our world, but still our world would be every bit as real as it is and we can not doubt our very existence.

It's interesting to play around with the idea and its implications but it should not lead to skepticism of our existence.
 
>Implying the simulation is the goal

What if all the boring stuff is part of a broader calculation?

It was meant more as a joke, but depending on how you look at it we can justify that our reality is actually a simulation and here is why.

Now if you allow yourself to believe that God exists, even if its not in the commonly ascribed form of organised religions, and also taking into account that without contextual knowledge the idea of God is as infinite as the idea of the universe in terms of expression, then one cannot ascribe to that being a motive outside of the creation of the world and reality, it is essentially an unknown.

Now allowing for that to be true, and taking into view most conventional religious practices that have their origins from a lost primitive world religion which branched out as humanity expanded and evolved and took their place as masters of the planet and evolved different languages and branches and expressions of religion which further split and bifurcated, but maintain common elements of those original ideas of the origins of humanity which where handed down. Such as the creation of humanity through a common ancestor, the common shared language and its breaking apart, and the flood myths all have places in early human religions, which were further condensed down into the more modern formats.

Now the question of humanity and religious expression beside, this is only to evidence that within the great world religions their is at least some common narrative about the creation of the world and it's reason for coming in to being, and the most obvious reason for the enlightenment of humanity as ascribed in the early myths that would form the basis for the book of Genesis, which in itself was taken from Sumerian religions and likely from before that from antediluvian religion beforehand, is that of free will and the expression of that free will.

If therefore if reality is a simulation, it is a simulation in which on this planet at least humanities expression of freedom of choice and free will would be the reason for any observation, otherwise it really wouldn't be an interesting simulation to begin with.

Also additionally at least in Western esoteric idea's and in the later aspects of both the Jewish talmud and later Christian text, there is a very clear path of philosophical thinking that the world and the universe in which it lies is corporeal and will be done away with at some point in the future.

Whether this is human insight into the nature of mans existence and a reasonable attempt to make an argument that the end of one aspect will lead to the creation of another is really interesting, because in both the expression of the Jews in the form of a messiah, and the Christian expression of the return of Christ as an intercessor, the idea is still fundamentally the same as evidenced in other early religions of the period that the world would return to nothingness.

The idea for humanity in both of these religions at least is encapsulated in the fact that after the world ends and is destroyed a new form would take it place, and those who did right by the edicts subject of the religion would have earned themselves a place in that new world.

As part of the more interesting outlines for the end of the world in the book of revelations it has a summary of the world being destroyed and then made again, which follows both the Jewish and Sumerian traditions of myth and legend and outlines that those beings who had achieved an enlightenment or redemption of spirit ascend into the next level of being, which in the particulars of western traditions is paradise or heaven, which in its original interpretations before any influences by coptic and Greek ideas, was the idea that one having overcome the duality of human nature through enlightenment in death would return to God and his mind/persona would be preserved in spirit while being returned to that power of creation free from the cares which plague humanity.

Which is not altogether dissimilar with the main thrust of karmic reincarnation in Hinduism and it's later reformations and adaptation into the Buddhist idea of nirvana and the oneness of spirit.

Even those who aren't inclined to any beliefs and believe that happenstance is the reason for being must admit that even under the parameters of that model, the experience of human life albeit short and often brutal is only a small portion of the collective cognizant flow of humanity as a species and the direction and evolution of which it will take.

They will play their own part without knowing how much their individual actions, biases, failures, successes, and the consequences of everything they experience will have an effect on the world around them from the lowest common denominator to the greatest influencers.

Even if this isn't the case, it doesn't really matter either since even if the majority of people were cognizant of their being within a perfect simulation, there wouldn't necessarily be any way for them to break the simulation, because the simulation would adapt to the circumstances.

Edit: Additional time to expand thinking on the subject.
 
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Like it was already pointed out, this is essentially just the re-framing of the question of God's existence. It's just clothed in the metaphors and language of modern world, but the meat of the issue is still whether there is a being or power infinitely more powerful than us, and if so, how should we feel about that.
 
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