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[MACH-IV]

I have to disagree here. I think this idea veers way too close to the "incel" or "mra" fallback of "It's not that I'm awful on several levels, it's because women are ruled by evolution, biology, chemicals, instinct, whatever and thus the deck is stacked against me and therefor all women are subhuman and must be regulated so I can get what I want, a supermodel who waits on me like my mom, fucks like a pornstar, raises babies like june cleaver and is a doormat the rest of the time.
Just DON"T BE A DICK.

I don't mean any disrespect by this, but I disagree with this post. You aren't wrong that a lot of guys blame women for their own shortcomings, but that doesn't mean that women (and men) aren't ruled by evolution, biology, chemicals, instinct, whatever. That stuff about hormones isn't debatable. I understand why you don't like the idea of some guy reading a bunch of stupid PUA techniques and thinking you'll find him attractive afterwards, but there are ways a guy can make himself more attractive to a larger amount of women and PUA tactics have nothing to do with it. Similar concepts can apply to women trying to attract men as well and even for having better results at a job interview.
It isn't always so sinister or malicious.

I know for a fact that you subconsciously change certain things about you when in the presence of a person you are attracted to, because everyone does. I believe in lust at first site, "natural chemistry" and all that, and i've had great relationships with girls i've met at the most unexpected places, with very little conversation - but there is always going to be other factors at play, and recognizing those factors can give a huge amount of insight. The people on that website need to log off and start observing what is actually happening when people interact with each other in real life. What keeps girls away is their obvious desperation and see through motives. A guy can look like Jim Morrison and still not get laid if he comes across as a pathetic, desperate loser.

As for their expectations and idealizations... that explains why they also call girls "sluts."
I don't know what a slut is. I know that girls hate the thought of being thought of as a slut, but I don't know what a slut is.
I know lot of people have a very hard time saying that girls enjoy having sex with guys as much as guys enjoy having sex with girls, but I don't understand why it's so hard to accept. Saying "girls like to go out and fuck random guys" always gets taken as an extreme view, and girls find the statement especially offensive, but what is so bad about it?
Obviously not all girls like to fuck random guys, but some do and I don't see how it's a problem. If girls could admit that they like sex, and pursue men to have sex with, I don't think "slut shaming" would be much of an issue. Guys who spend a lot of time with girls aren't phased to hear all about a girl's crazy exploits, but the frustrated guy still stuck in his "feminine mystique" idealizations gets enraged at the thought. I don't think i've ever read a feminist who said it's normal for girls to sleep around. There is a huge stigma attached to that.

And obviously a person shouldn't be judged by their sexual history, regardless, but that's not the point.

 

[Meowthkip]

As for their expectations and idealizations... that explains why they also call girls "sluts."
I don't know what a slut is. I know that girls hate the thought of being thought of as a slut, but I don't know what a slut is.
I know lot of people have a very hard time saying that girls enjoy having sex with guys as much as guys enjoy having sex with girls, but I don't understand why it's so hard to accept. Saying "girls like to go out and fuck random guys" always gets taken as an extreme view, and girls find the statement especially offensive, but what is so bad about it?
Obviously not all girls like to fuck random guys, but some do and I don't see how it's a problem. If girls could admit that they like sex, and pursue men to have sex with, I don't think "slut shaming" would be much of an issue. Guys who spend a lot of time with girls aren't phased to hear all about a girl's crazy exploits, but the frustrated guy still stuck in his "feminine mystique" idealizations gets enraged at the thought. I don't think i've ever read a feminist who said it's normal for girls to sleep around. There is a huge stigma attached to that.

And obviously a person shouldn't be judged by their sexual history, regardless, but that's not the point.

A slut is usually a promiscuous woman, although it can also also apply to women wearing revealing clothing. In the PUA/MRA/loveshy community, it's usually "a woman who will have sex with other people but not me."

As far as women seemingly hooking up less than men, I suspect a lot of that has to do with fears of date rape or a dude potentially being a violent ax murderer, not to mention the judgement they would get from people calling them a slut for daring to go out and enjoy hooking up with strangers.

And girls like sex plenty. Unfortunately, there are a lot of guys out there who don't know how to properly please a woman, and some women are just left thinking that they can't achieve orgasm ever or that sex is supposed to be uncomfortable. It's a goddamned shame.

 

[MACH-IV]

A slut is usually a promiscuous woman, although it can also also apply to women wearing revealing clothing. In the PUA/MRA/loveshy community, it's usually "a woman who will have sex with other people but not me."

As far as women seemingly hooking up less than men, I suspect a lot of that has to do with fears of date rape or a dude potentially being a violent ax murderer, not to mention the judgement they would get from people calling them a slut for daring to go out and enjoy hooking up with strangers.

And girls like sex plenty. Unfortunately, there are a lot of guys out there who don't know how to properly please a woman, and some women are just left thinking that they can't achieve orgasm ever or that sex is supposed to be uncomfortable. It's a goddamned shame.

I know what the definition of a slut is, but that definition no longer makes sense because it isn't abnormal for a girl to be "promiscuous" (which sounds judgemental) or surprising to see a girl wearing "revealing" clothing. There was a time when that behavior was uncommon and looked down on, therefore a title like "slut" held some relevance (right or wrong). Back then the "slut" was the exception, now the exception is the girl who doesn't sleep around.
If it's wrong to be a slut, then there shouldn't be a problem "shaming" one. If it's in a woman's nature to want and enjoy sex, then it's wrong to shame her for that. It's also wrong to act like it isn't happening, because that creates the stigma. If a guy thinks it's abnormal for a girl to have a lot of sex, they will have a hard time understanding and accepting girls who sleep around.

I don't think women hook up less than men, at least not significantly less. I know the fear of date rape is real, and increasing, but there are plenty of situations where girls feel comfortable going home with a guy. I think girls are perpetuating "slut shaming" more than anyone else, because of their inability to admit they like having sex frequently.

A guy who knows what he's doing in bed will reap the rewards.

 

[Pine Tar]

I see these guys judging other men based on looks. Well, take a look at this guy, he should be able to get women to sleep with him right? Well, this is Exhibit A on why personality matters more than anything else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Collier_Township_shooting

 

[XH 502]

I have to disagree here. I think this idea veers way too close to the "incel" or "mra" fallback of "It's not that I'm awful on several levels, it's because women are ruled by evolution, biology, chemicals, instinct, whatever and thus the deck is stacked against me and therefor all women are subhuman and must be regulated so I can get what I want, a supermodel who waits on me like my mom, fucks like a pornstar, raises babies like june cleaver and is a doormat the rest of the time.
Sure biology and instinct play a role, but what humans (INCLUDING WOMEN) are attracted to in other humans runs all over, it's not just about the biological impetus of reproduction. Being a childfree by choice, grown ass woman who has been on and off birth control all my post puberty life, i can say that what i find attractive runs the gamut on any given day, no matter where i am on my reproductive cycle. Prince? Yes, hottest thing on two (short) legs. Hugh Jackman in his wolverinee tight pants? Oh yeah. Jason Momoa (the guy who played Khal Drogo)? Oh fuck yeah. The slightly paunchy shy barback who always asks me how my day is? Yup. The willowy over sensitive more girly than me teenage boyfriend? 10/10 would still do. Black guys, white guys, and every skin tone in between, tall ones, short ones, fat ones, skinny ones, doesn't matter. There is no rhyme or reason to it. There is no secret password to pussy. No look, no height weight ratio, no chin structure that makes a damn bit of difference. Human relationships and sexuality are incredible, and incredibly complicated things. I think one of the places where these love-shy types get messed up is that they want to quantify everything. IE; rating themselves, others and women from 1-10. "Sexual Market Value" "game". Alphas, betas. Fuck all that. There is no magic formula or set of rules that if you follow properly will lead to anything when you are dealing with human relationships. There is no easy answer, no society or biology or birth control to blame. Just DON"T BE A DICK.
Edit to say that "Chad" does nothing for me. If he actually paid attention to me, made me feel wanted and beautiful and made me laugh i might be persuaded to give him a chance.

I'm... not sure where the controversy is here. There's a distinct difference between genetics and personality. I was talking about attraction simply on a hormonal level, and hormones influence everyone regardless of sexuality. The original poster wanted to know why some women are attracted to Prince - a "man who looks like a girl" - and I provided a scientific answer to his question. Of course sexuality isn't as simple as "my hormones made me do it", but you can still trace it back to its chemical beginnings and get an understanding of where certain attractions come from. Is ovulation the sole reason why women are attracted to Prince? Hell no, it's the whole nature vs nurture scenario: we're influenced by both. I just wanted to point out the nature side of it as the conversation up until then had been all about the "nurture" aspect.

 

[A-№1]

Oh they just blabber on about his height. He and his tallness make it impossible for short men to find women because his massiveness obscures the sun and makes it difficult for people of smaller stature to see.

I would just like to take a moment to point out that Brad Williams gets more sex and better sex than any number of Chad Thundercocks.

Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Johnny Depp, young Leonardo DiCaprio... sure, they are all athletic but they're not shapeless mountains of muscle but boyish, even slightly feminine looking men.

Maybe for little girls and younger women.

For more mature women I think it has to be Sean Connery. Hands down. Who has always been a little funny looking and has hardly ever been a mountain of muscle (apart from that time he was a CGI dragon).

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I think the Schwarzenegger/Stallone physique is more something that men who are into bodybuilding aspire to and less something that women, on average, are particulary into.

But most men don't really aspire to be Arnold or Sylvester, even if they do lift. I think the Conan / Rambo thing is more a fantasy for young boys and insecure men.

Most self assured men I know don't want to be Schwarzenegger or Stallone or even Sean Connery. They want to be Steve McQueen. Not to attract women or anything like that, but simply because it would be awesome to be Steve McQueen. (Only without the cancer.)

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Edit to say that "Chad" does nothing for me. If he actually paid attention to me, made me feel wanted and beautiful and made me laugh i might be persuaded to give him a chance.

However if you tell that to these sluthaters their take on it would be something like: "You are wanted and beautiful. Now have sex with me or I'll start backbiting."

Seeing all of those guys pick each other apart over specific shapes, angles, and sizes of various facial aesthetics is toxic as hell to read. What a way to suddenly feel overly self conscious about your jawline.

Just like a bunch of junior high school girls at a sleepover with a stack of beauty magazines. Is it just me or is the whole junior high school girl comparison becoming increasingly more apt?

 

[Meowthkip]

Maybe for little girls and younger women.

For more mature women I think it has to be Sean Connery. Hands down. Who has always been a little funny looking and has hardly ever been a mountain of muscle (apart from that time he was a CGI dragon).

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Sean Connery doesn't really do anything for me. He almost feels like a cartoon character at this point.

I mean I could ask around my older relatives who they would prefer, and I'd probably get a range of answers.

Just like a bunch of junior high school girls at a sleepover with a stack of beauty magazines. Is it just me or is the whole junior high school girl comparison becoming increasingly more apt?

Oh, it totally is. But at least in middle school you were just gushing over what celebrity you thought was hottest and comparing. There was never anything mean or bitchy about it, but these guys...

They are nastier and more petty than middle school girls.

 

[A-№1]

Sean Connery doesn't really do anything for me. He almost feels like a cartoon character at this point.

Well I am talking about 1960s through 1980s Connery (maybe a little 1990s too). Also not James Bond Connery. Go see The Man Who Would Be King some time and you'll see what I mean. Speaking of which, Michael Caine is also in that film, and he's never been a mountain of muscle either.

I mean I could ask around my older relatives who they would prefer, and I'd probably get a range of answers.

If I can make a suggestion, don't ask them who their favorite male actor is, because you probably will get a range of answers. Instead ask them to make comparisons: "Johnny Depp or Sean Connery?" or "Benedict Cumberbatch or Sean Connery?" and see which one they pick.

They are nastier and more petty than middle school girls.

Oh I'm specifically comparing them to the nasty petty girls in junior high. You probably remember the ones I mean; every school has a few. Theres no point in comparing sluthaters to all junior high school girls as a whole because that's too varied a sample set. I guess I wasn't clear about that.

 

[Meowthkip]

Well I am talking about 1960s through 1980s Connery (maybe a little 1990s too). Also not James Bond Connery. Go see The Man Who Would Be King some time and you'll see what I mean. Speaking of which, Michael Caine is also in that film, and he's never been a mountain of muscle either.

If I can make a suggestion, don't ask them who their favorite male actor is, because you probably will get a range of answers. Instead ask them to make comparisons: "Johnny Depp or Sean Connery?" or "Benedict Cumberbatch or Sean Connery?" and see which one they pick.

Oh I'm specifically comparing them to the nasty petty girls in junior high. You probably remember the ones I mean; every school has a few. Theres no point in comparing sluthaters to all junior high school girls as a whole because that's too varied a sample set. I guess I wasn't clear about that.

You kind of come off like you got a little man crush on Sean Connery there.

It's okay, I don't judge.

But yeah, I am intimately familiar with that breed of middle school girl, the Catholic school I went to for two years was chock full of them. Most of the sniping at each other was about looks more than anything else.

But you're right, it seems to be very much the same structure, every man for himself to fight their way to the top of the heap for fuck all.

 

[A-№1]

You kind of come off like you got a little man crush on Sean Connery there.

Nah. I just happen to know a lot of women. For what it's worth, I still have no clue why they universally find him so attractive, even after years of somewhat informally researching the matter. I've just observed that they do. Even after seeing Zardoz they do. And no two of them ever seem to have the same reason why they are attracted to him, except in the vaguest of terms. It's baffling. I think that if I could understand this inexplicable universal appeal I would know a lot more about how the universe works, kind of like the search for the Higgs boson but with potential real world applications.

Of course the sluthaters doubtless already have an ironclad theory on the matter. Isn't it funny how boys who are such scholarly experts on women, every one of them a Ph.D equivalent plus hours, are so amazingly incompetent at dealing with women in real life?

 

[Ariel]

 

[The I Scream Man]

I'm not sure why I read the comments on this video. I wish I hadn't.

 

[Godjesus]

Take a shot every time there is a jump cut.

 

[Surtur]

What they need is a manly beard.

 

[Null]

kek

"There's not a girl on the face of the planet who doesn't like nice people!"

I hate flowers and airplanes
Nice guys and good deeds
Only thing I love in this world is some good weed

 

[The I Scream Man]

"There's not a girl on the face of the planet who doesn't like nice people!"

I hate flowers and airplanes
Nice guys and good deeds
Only thing I love in this world is some good weed

K. Flay's too hot to know the struggle. :niceguy:

 

[P-Logic]

Well, take a look at this guy, he should be able to get women to sleep with him right?

From his looks, you mean? I don't think so. He has a pretty strong, masculine look to him but his face is very asymmetrical. There are lots of good examples of conventionally handsome guys who can't get laid, but that's not one of them, in my opinion.

 

[wheat pasta]

I'm just popping my head in to remind everyone that MRAs are not the same thing as... these people. Some of them may identify as MRAs, but as a whole this is really not what the MRM is about.

 

[Glaive]

Snipped out the last few posts.

Let's keep personal dating experiences (or lack of them) out of this thread as a general guideline.
It's more than fine to comment your views on attraction as it relates to SlutHate, but let's not turn this into an advice column either.

 

[Henry Bemis]

I'm just popping my head in to remind everyone that MRAs are not the same thing as... these people. Some of them may identify as MRAs, but as a whole this is really not what the MRM is about.

In that case, it would be for the best if the "sane" MRAs loudly and publicly spoke up against the crazies. Otherwise, we would have to assume their silence amounts to tacit support.

Such is the case with any and all groups with members who have to say "We're not all like that."