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I never got friendzoned until I was ~18 after I had put on a lot of weight. I did go pretty crazy about that. I retreated for a long time to work on myself. I did a 24+ mile walk the day after that girl turned me down. It was rough... And then one other time I got zoned and then worked out even more and tweaked myself. But that's the only times I experienced such a thing.

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I never got friendzoned until I was ~18 after I had put on a lot of weight. I did go pretty crazy about that. I retreated for a long time to work on myself. I did a 24+ mile walk the day after that girl turned me down. It was rough... And then one other time I got zoned and then worked out even more and tweaked myself. But that's the only times I experienced such a thing.

Describe the friend zoning. What happened?
 
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I never got friendzoned until I was ~18 after I had put on a lot of weight. I did go pretty crazy about that. I retreated for a long time to work on myself. I did a 24+ mile walk the day after that girl turned me down. It was rough... And then one other time I got zoned and then worked out even more and tweaked myself. But that's the only times I experienced such a thing.

Why do you care about being friendzoned? If she means it, it means she does want to be your friend. Isn't that good enough?
 
Why do you care about being friendzoned? If she means it, it means she does want to be your friend. Isn't that good enough?

I'm willing to bet it was his best friend or something betraying him by denying him access to sex and then fucking some guy he disliked.

I wanna hear the whole story.
 
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Describe the friend zoning. What happened?
Uh pretty standard stuff... I just asked her out and she turned me down. But there was a lot of mockery taking place behind my back as she was laughing about me with others and told one of her female friends that she can't tell me I'm ugly because it feels harsh. I was disgusting so it was all true and accurate. We've all had these experiences though, it doesn't bother me anymore.
 
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it doesn't bother me anymore.

Yes it does. You wouldn't be a sluthate user if you got over it.

Uh pretty standard stuff... I just asked her out and she turned me down. But there was a lot of mockery taking place behind my back as she was laughing about me with others and told one of her female friends that she can't tell me I'm ugly because it feels harsh.

Well, she's not very nice then. But you don't go redpill. That's just silly.
 
Uh pretty standard stuff... I just asked her out and she turned me down. But there was a lot of mockery taking place behind my back as she was laughing about me with others and told one of her female friends that she can't tell me I'm ugly because it feels harsh. I was disgusting so it was all true and accurate. We've all had these experiences though, it doesn't bother me anymore.

Please tell me you learned something from that experience. Some girls are bitchy, but not the majority of them, so ignore the bitchy ones and move on. It hurts to be rejected, but you can't dwell on it. It's a never ending spiral of sorrow. Leads to places like Sluthate.
 
Uh pretty standard stuff... I just asked her out and she turned me down. But there was a lot of mockery taking place behind my back as she was laughing about me with others and told one of her female friends that she can't tell me I'm ugly because it feels harsh. I was disgusting so it was all true and accurate. We've all had these experiences though, it doesn't bother me anymore.

Oh c'mon, we both know there was more to it than that! You felt completely betrayed after she rejected you.
 
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Given your young age (<25), the girl you met was likely in her mid- to late teens. Teenagers can be self-centered and many don't know manners. Grown women tend to handle things with more delicacy.
Yeah, they might be more "delicate" about it but I doubt the thought process changes. Obviously I was viewed as an unattractive guy, because I WAS absolutely repulsive. I would never expect a girl to date a guy who's revolting. And I'm glad I did discover how unattractive I was otherwise I might still be sitting here stuffing chocolate bars down my throat.
 
Uh pretty standard stuff... I just asked her out and she turned me down. But there was a lot of mockery taking place behind my back as she was laughing about me with others and told one of her female friends that she can't tell me I'm ugly because it feels harsh. I was disgusting so it was all true and accurate. We've all had these experiences though, it doesn't bother me anymore.

Not all women act that way. Its just like @AWB-81 said, you are conforming to the false reality of your negative experiences with women and think becoming more attractive is the way to conform to societal expectations.

I feel for you man. Life isn't fair but that doesn't give you the excuse to retreat into a ball and cry foul that the world isn't fair and should do what you want it to. Life just doesn't work that way.

Here's a quote of advice you should take.
Appearance is not the be-all-end-all to happiness, and treating it as such will lead you down a never ending path of insecurity. You know how you become more
comfortable with your appearance? You become more comfortable with who you are as a person. There's a lot more to your looks than physical traits. An average person who takes care of themselves and exudes confidence will stand out more than the self-deprecating super model. I've seen it happen before.
 
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Yeah, they might be more "delicate" about it but I doubt the thought process changes. Obviously I was viewed as an unattractive guy, because I WAS absolutely repulsive. I would never expect a girl to date a guy who's revolting. And I'm glad I did discover how unattractive I was otherwise I might still be sitting here stuffing chocolate bars down my throat.

Self confidence is all you need. Worked for my brother.
 
Oh c'mon, we both know there was more to it than that! You felt completely betrayed after she rejected you.
Uh not really... What I did feel was desperate, inadequate, loser-ish, emasculated... But she kept coming back to me and telling me not to listen to her friends and she does like me and kept setting up dates with me then never responding on the day. Her friend told me that she does it to lots of men and really likes attention but is not interested in me at all. It was quite a headfuck for me at the time as I was obsessed with her and wanted to believe she did like me.

I know these stories are pretty fun to read.

Probably the strongest sense is the one of inadequacy... And when the girls you feel attracted to who are "just your friend" talk to other guys in front of you you feel emasculated. Because the dynamic is totally different. It's like you're one of her girlfriends not a male friend. The difference in dynamic between how a man and a woman speak to each other when there's no "friendzone" bullshit involved is strikingly different.
 
Uh not really... What I did feel was desperate, inadequate, loser-ish, emasculated... But she kept coming back to me and telling me not to listen to her friends and she does like me and kept setting up dates with me then never responding on the day. Her friend told me that she does it to lots of men and really likes attention but is not interested in me at all. It was quite a headfuck for me at the time as I was obsessed with her and wanted to believe she did like me.

I know these stories are pretty fun to read.

Probably the strongest sense is the one of inadequacy... And when the girls you feel attracted to who are "just your friend" talk to other guys in front of you you feel emasculated. Because the dynamic is totally different. It's like you're one of her girlfriends not a male friend. The difference in dynamic between how a man and a woman speak to each other when there's no "friendzone" bullshit involved is strikingly different.


should probably try moving on and not giving a fuck.
 
Foolish people this was 4 or 5 years ago I was specifically asked to discuss these stories ofc they don't effect me now. And obviously I was beta i was 250 lbs so disgusting and estrogenic.
Are you alpha now?
 
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