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The scene at SF General on Friday afternoon was grim. “There’s 200-300 gays here,” my friend texted me. “I didn’t think there were this many gays left in SF. It’s like the worst circuit party ever.”

The hospital was mobbed by people hoping to fit into the absurd two-hour window for receiving the Jynneos monkeypox vaccine, which San Francisco is in woefully short supply of. Others report still waiting more than a week for a call back about receiving the vaccine from Castro health center Strut, which is trying to fulfill a growing need, especially after two Pride parties informed attendees that they may have been exposed and SF cases rose to 40 by July 5.

San Francisco is reportedly receiving less than 2300 doses per week from the state, and must choose where to deploy them. Currently, it is prioritizing people who may have been exposed, but the need is much greater than that—especially with the huge Up Your Alley leather/fetish fair coming up at the end of the month. (The CDC has great, refreshingly straightforward advice on sex and partying during this time.)
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The information on where and when to get a shot is rudimentary at best for a city in the center of the tech world, requiring multiple calls for appointment availability and not listing all the community resources available. (Berkeley bathhouse Steamworks, for example, has started to dole out limited shots.) Gay men are firing up the ol’ AIDS-era grapevine and relying on word of mouth. “It feels like the government is fucking this thing up again just like HIV,” another friend said. “They’ve had months to prepare for this, we just went through COVID, and there’s absolutely no urgency or consideration for the community.”

Monkeypox is not a “gay disease”—according to the current advisement, it is spread “through prolonged skin to skin contact, sex, kissing, breathing at very close range, or sharing bedding and clothing,” things which many gay men rightly enjoy. (Post-AIDS, gay men are also incredibly good at testing, communicating, and self-reporting about these things.) It manifests as a fever accompanied by a rash that usually starts on the face. There are some questions right now about why men who have sex with men seem to be getting it at much higher rates than women, and research continues.

The disease is, fortunately, rarely fatal and often resolves on its own; people who previously received the smallpox vaccine seem to have up to 85% resistance to it, although compromised immune systems erase some of that resistance. Still, it can be painful and may require weeks of isolation as it heals and becomes non-transmissible.

Why are we so short on a vaccine for the latest disease to make waves? An online town hall hosted by the San Francisco AIDS Foundation, Tue/12, 6pm-7pm may shed some light. The virtual town hall, with participation from more than a dozen community orgs, promises to “answer questions and facilitate discussion about how the infection is spreading in the Bay Area, testing and treatment, symptoms, unmet needs around vaccine access, and how to get involved in advocating for vaccine access for our community.”

Politicians Scott Wiener and Matt Haney have spoken out as well about the need for more vaccine availability. Right now it seems like things are in chaos; I’m eager to hear how we can push for help before even more cases appear. MONKEYPOX VIRTUAL TOWN HALL: Tue/12, 6pm-7pm, Spanish translation available. More info here.
 
Monkeypox is not a “gay disease”
Oh, I remember this one. "Just because almost everyone who has it is gay, and just because almost everyone dying from it is gay, and just because gay people are ten billion percent more likely to have it, and just because it spreads almost exclusively through gay communities doesn't make it a gay disease you bigot!"

I hate reruns.
 
Gay people sneeze in their hands, scratch their wounds, then touch doorknobs and surfaces.

Wash your hands often, mask in crowded public places, and you don't have to worry about this.

Gay men, more precautions, don't hook up at random, ask people you'll be closer to (hugging, kissing even) if they've had pimples or sores recently, wash surfaces and hands constantly. It's in the gay community right now because some swinging dick from Africa brought it to a gay party time and so that's where it'll spread out from.

It will infect anyone, though. Sexual contact isn't required. Spreads the same way smallpox does- don't go to shitty hotels that don't change the blankets.

Vaccines are available and not like the old horrible ones, it's just a single injection and like tetanus, can be given and will help even after an exposure.

good luck and godspeed
 
Just stop barebacking. Maybe go celibate for awhile until the wave ends. It's so simple yet they refuse. Same thing happened with AIDS. :roll:
Unfortunately, monkeypox isn't solely a fag disease. Fags can spread it to human beings, including the legitimately immunocompromised.
 
Unfortunately, monkeypox isn't solely a fag disease. Fags can spread it to human beings, including the legitimately immunocompromised.
The NEET shall inherit the Earth, for all the sex-havers will die from super AIDS caused by those who have the unending urge to fuck without thought as much as possible.
 
I swear it was burned into my brain watching a documentary on the AIDS crisis in the 80s where the gay community was pissed at the lesbian community because they rightfully said, just stop having so much degenerate sex. The docu gave a lot of credit to the lesbian community though because although the gay community did not take such common sense advice and actively shit on them for it, lesbians did offer a lot of support anyway because that's what women do, even when it is stupid.
 
Is jynneos the one that has never actually been tested in actual humans against actual pox or is that the other one? One of the current ‘monkeypox’ shots was tested by injecting people with it and just looking at their antibody profiles, and then using in in vitro work to look at plaque assays. I mean I know you can’t I infect people with smallpox just to test it but still…
Also due to the above we don’t really have any idea how safe it is. The old smallpox vaccines had an 8.7% rate of myocarditis type reactions. The newer ones seem safer but we don’t really know how much safer.
Personally I’d just be laying off the orgies but I know that’s far too difficult for some communities.
 
Is jynneos the one that has never actually been tested in actual humans against actual pox or is that the other one? One of the current ‘monkeypox’ shots was tested by injecting people with it and just looking at their antibody profiles, and then using in in vitro work to look at plaque assays. I mean I know you can’t I infect people with smallpox just to test it but still…
Also due to the above we don’t really have any idea how safe it is. The old smallpox vaccines had an 8.7% rate of myocarditis type reactions. The newer ones seem safer but we don’t really know how much safer.
Personally I’d just be laying off the orgies but I know that’s far too difficult for some communities.
approved after about 5 years of clinical trials, for human use, in 2019. was requested originally by the military, since it's not replicating it won't spread from a scab, it's a simple injection. they wanted less side effects too. it's been used in the US military for any deployments to SEA and ME since 2019.


of course if you'd like to just get pox by all means, go right ahead. the old smallpox vaccine is only helpful for about 10 years, so if you were vaccinated as a kid or more than a decade ago, it's not doing a thing for you now.

some people will not get vaccinated when it's the intelligent choice, just as some people will keep raw dogging strangers in the rest stop glory hole. bugchasers never change.
 
approved after about 5 years of clinical trials, for human use, in 2019. was requested originally by the military, since it's not replicating it won't spread from a scab, it's a simple injection. they wanted less side effects too. it's been used in the US military for any deployments to SEA and ME since 2019.


of course if you'd like to just get pox by all means, go right ahead. the old smallpox vaccine is only helpful for about 10 years, so if you were vaccinated as a kid or more than a decade ago, it's not doing a thing for you now.

some people will not get vaccinated when it's the intelligent choice, just as some people will keep raw dogging strangers in the rest stop glory hole. bugchasers never change.
ACAM2000, that’s the one. So that one has 5.7% myocarditis rate which is bad. Better than the old smallpox ones but still I wouldnt touch it unless smallpox was raging near me . Jynneos seems a bit better but all the clinical trials were of the inferred rather than direct type - they all look at immunity from the perspective of things like antibody responses and in vitro assays from subjects body fluids. No one seems to have been systematically exposed to monkeypox or any pox during the trials (I know you can’t, I’m just being pedantic and pointing this out.) Jynneos just doesn’t have the sample sizes needed to establish real safety and efficacy (but hey I mean who needs that in the post covid world?)
The Work Group had very low (level 4) certainty that myopericarditis does not occur after JYNNEOS boosters because of inadequate sample size to detect rare events.
It seems like the recommendation for jynneos over acam2000/old smallpox is based on it being replication incompetent. That’s fair enough, but they didn’t show equivalent or superior safety and admit that
Occurrences of serious adverse events are expected to be minimal because JYNNEOS is a replication-deficient virus vaccine. However, because the mechanism for myopericarditis following receipt of ACAM2000 is thought to be an immune-mediated phenomenon, it is not known whether the antigen or antigens that precipitate autoantibodies are present in JYNNEOS as well.
For anyone actively exposed I think the jynneos one would do, but god forbid they roll this out as a general recommendation for the public.
I realise this is pedantic but after covid, I’m a bit more keen to point out how sparse the safety data is in some stuff
 
ACAM2000, that’s the one. So that one has 5.7% myocarditis rate which is bad. Better than the old smallpox ones but still I wouldnt touch it unless smallpox was raging near me . Jynneos seems a bit better but all the clinical trials were of the inferred rather than direct type - they all look at immunity from the perspective of things like antibody responses and in vitro assays from subjects body fluids. No one seems to have been systematically exposed to monkeypox or any pox during the trials (I know you can’t, I’m just being pedantic and pointing this out.) Jynneos just doesn’t have the sample sizes needed to establish real safety and efficacy (but hey I mean who needs that in the post covid world?)
The Work Group had very low (level 4) certainty that myopericarditis does not occur after JYNNEOS boosters because of inadequate sample size to detect rare events.
It seems like the recommendation for jynneos over acam2000/old smallpox is based on it being replication incompetent. That’s fair enough, but they didn’t show equivalent or superior safety and admit that
Occurrences of serious adverse events are expected to be minimal because JYNNEOS is a replication-deficient virus vaccine. However, because the mechanism for myopericarditis following receipt of ACAM2000 is thought to be an immune-mediated phenomenon, it is not known whether the antigen or antigens that precipitate autoantibodies are present in JYNNEOS as well.
For anyone actively exposed I think the jynneos one would do, but god forbid they roll this out as a general recommendation for the public.
I realise this is pedantic but after covid, I’m a bit more keen to point out how sparse the safety data is in some stuff
I think for the general public they'll be doing ring vaccination anyway- there's no supply to handle anything more extensive. jynneos should be fine for that. they did test exposed primates for efficacy of prevention. then tested for adverse effects in human subjects after. As I said, it's been in use in the military with hundreds of thousands of doses given, since 2019. That's a good track record for safety, there's been no recall or reported issues.

and as you say it is better than the older vaccine in a lot of ways, people with excema and the like can have it which is a good step.

I've had the old formulation vaccine for smallpox twice- once during a volunteer trip to a "questionable region" and once when a vial was found in a lab we were rebuilding for modern use. this happens more often than anyone should be comfortable with.
 
Monkeypox is not a “gay disease”
Good to know it will not be celebrating Pride Month.

It does seem however that much like GRIDS/HIV/AIDS it spreads far more rapidly through the gay community because of the general lifestyle. Maybe it is time for a little honesty about the situation.

From the mouth of a homosex: I fucking hate Fauci not just because how he mishandled AIDS but because he lied about who was causing the spread.

Speaking of the little turd have not heard much from him since he got the coof.
 
once when a vial was found in a lab we were rebuilding for modern use. this happens more often than anyone should be comfortable with.
Bet that was fun, and yes, similar happens more than people realise. As does accidental ‘loss’ of lab animals carrying things
I’ve had some of the more spicy immunisations for work I’ve done - rabies was probably the worst, made me feel like utter shit each time. I was young and enthusiastic and I’d probably have quite a different opinion on such field work these days.
 
Gay men are firing up the ol’ AIDS-era grapevine and relying on word of mouth. “It feels like the government is fucking this thing up again just like HIV,” another friend said. “They’ve had months to prepare for this, we just went through COVID, and there’s absolutely no urgency or consideration for the community.”
Coomers are too fucking stupid to practice safe sex and think the government should be responsible for their bad decisions... No doubt they're also major supporters for free health-care.
 
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