SocJus blame for crimes - Who's to blame: the criminal or society?

[Alec Benson Leary]

Do you think it's that simple? It's not that you're having to explain that guns aren't toys, but you need to explain that death is permanent. The only way you can learn that is through life experience.

You know, somewhere between the rabbits, the gerbils, all those goldfish, not to even mention actual human relatives, I got that whole "death is permanent" thing pretty young. Honestly, it doesn't take half as much experience as you'd think. Yes, there is more to reducing gun crime than teaching kids that guns aren't toys and death is permanent but you know what they say, every little helps. Kids are more capable of understanding that death is permanent than you'd realise, the problem is that nobody bothers to tell them; people try so hard to protect kids from things like death that they never prepare them for reality.

I don't think we have the rash of mass shootings we do because people aren't raised to comprehend death. I think it happens because we raise kids to be entitled shitlers who fancy themselves the protagonist of an epic story, and when things go down the wrong path, well, their fee-fees trump everything else, even (or especially) the lives of the insects around them who didn't respect how special they know they are.

I would link it to the American Dream fallacy as an umbrella problem. Children in our country really are raised to believe they're part of something special just for being born. Gentleman Elliot is the most obvious example but I think there's at least a touch if it in every hero who decides if they can't make a mark the way they want, they'll damn sure make a mark with blood instead.

 

[Lorento]

I believe that one of the biggest differences between the left and the right is that the right generally believe in personal responsibility, while the left believe more in collective responsibility. Since SJWs are far left it makes a lot of sense they would blame crime, etc. on literally anything but the individual.
I don't know the more extreme/alt-right take on this would be, because the right is pretty heavy on personal responsibility as it is. I guess blaming women for how they were dressed when they got assaulted is a close comparison.
Either way this is just another example of a false dichotomy, both society and the individual are frequently to blame, it's not either/or.

The left/right way of looking at SJWs and Alt Right people is kind of outdated IMO. The Alt-Right are very collectivist, they just believe that only certain groups of people should collectivise. So while SJWs will blame Whites for the crimes committed by individuals, so the Right will blame any group except Whites.

In any case, its obvious that an individual is responsible for committing crimes, but the environment or society he grew up in is bound to have some sort of impact on them.

 

[Strelok]

I always liked the way my grandfather put it. A criminal is like a viscous dog. A sad tale, where something that could have been special and loving is shaped into something filled with hate and violence by his environment. But at the end of the day, all the hand wringing in the world won't fix the dog, he either has to be rehabilitated, or put down.

And nobody wants to fix the enviornment because it costs money and fuck fixing the inner city (right wing) / or it's racist to blame the culture, they're justified in their anger (left wing). So all we're left with is handwringing.