Some Chinese dude explains why Africa is a shithole in like 3 minutes

[Sailor_Jupiter]

People never want to discuss racial IQ differences. I don't want to, either- but I'll just point out that China's ancient Confucian scholar/Imperial examinations system promoted anyone with great brains, giving them more power, more money, and... in a polygamous society... much more pu $$y. Simply put the Chinese have spent hundreds of years selectively breeding themselves to be brilliant, and that affects the gene pool. The Africans? They're more likely to breed for strength + stamina (to fight the lions and other tribes!) which results in them having some of the highest testosterone levels of any race, but sadly, the lowest IQs. But it's not PC so science and heredity don't exist.

ed: edited to add, before any of us get too uppity, whites and Native Americans just score average of the racial IQ scale. The Jews and the East-Asians are the smartest!

 

[Bassomatic]

People never want to discuss racial IQ differences. I don't want to, either- but I'll just point out that China's ancient Confucian scholar/Imperial examinations system promoted anyone with great brains, giving them more power, more money, and... in a polygamous society... much more pu $$y. Simply put the Chinese have spent hundreds of years selectively breeding themselves to be brilliant, and that affects the gene pool. The Africans? They're more likely to breed for strength + stamina (to fight the lions and other tribes!) which results in them having some of the highest testosterone levels of any race, but sadly, the lowest IQs. But it's not PC so science and heredity don't exist.

ed: edited to add, before any of us get too uppity, whites and Native Americans just score average of the racial IQ scale. The Jews and the East-Asians are the smartest!

I feel a bit guilty after my post earlier, but I was factually correct as well as not bigoted. So let me jump on the other side here.

Racial IQ differences are very poorly set because it's a standard test set for many groups not exposed to those standards. It's a shock someone who's more worried where dinner comes from isn't a calc pro? Now if you cherry pick poor African Americans, in the US very wealthy Africans in Africa, the shift swaps. Some how welfare Johnson does worse than tribe leader dinnu. (it's the farms allow some lulz based bigotry in serious posts)

I do agree about selective breeding. I know I sound cruel but Haiti is an example. There's no fix. France made the dumbest biggest people for 100s of years and left them alone. Haitians are reverse eugenics nation. Oh lets not forget they voted in fucking Vodoo lords. Haiti is a stones throw from another African nation that's successful.

 

[RI 360]

I feel a bit guilty after my post earlier, but I was factually correct as well as not bigoted. So let me jump on the other side here.

Racial IQ differences are very poorly set because it's a standard test set for many groups not exposed to those standards. It's a shock someone who's more worried where dinner comes from isn't a calc pro? Now if you cherry pick poor African Americans, in the US very wealthy Africans in Africa, the shift swaps. Some how welfare Johnson does worse than tribe leader dinnu. (it's the farms allow some lulz based bigotry in serious posts)

I do agree about selective breeding. I know I sound cruel but Haiti is an example. There's no fix. France made the dumbest biggest people for 100s of years and left them alone. Haitians are reverse eugenics nation. Oh lets not forget they voted in fucking Vodoo lords. Haiti is a stones throw from another African nation that's successful.

They want to progress themselves back into voodoo lol

 

[Sailor_Jupiter]

I feel a bit guilty after my post earlier, but I was factually correct as well as not bigoted. So let me jump on the other side here.

Racial IQ differences are very poorly set because it's a standard test set for many groups not exposed to those standards. It's a shock someone who's more worried where dinner comes from isn't a calc pro? Now if you cherry pick poor African Americans, in the US very wealthy Africans in Africa, the shift swaps. Some how welfare Johnson does worse than tribe leader dinnu. (it's the farms allow some lulz based bigotry in serious posts)

I do agree about selective breeding. I know I sound cruel but Haiti is an example. There's no fix. France made the dumbest biggest people for 100s of years and left them alone. Haitians are reverse eugenics nation. Oh lets not forget they voted in fucking Vodoo lords. Haiti is a stones throw from another African nation that's successful.

That sounds like the sort of excuse I used to make before finally giving up and realizing that IQs differ. People don't test Calculus knowledge on IQ tests: they're very, VERY basic tests that can be administered to elementary-school children. African-Americans, due to better education, nutrition, and possible partial-Caucasian ancestry do score about 10 points higher than Sub-Saharan Africans, so you have a point... It's all just miserably depressing. It would be nice if everyone had the same IQs.

 

[Bassomatic]

They want to progress themselves back into voodoo lol

Oh god don't start me on the anti education field. It's unschooling, in Africa. I can't touch this education with out going full a-log. Now regardless how people feel about slavery colonization etc. Needless to say some African's feel anything Western or white is wrong and made up their own schooling. Problem is it's so anti west centric 1+1= 7 because whitey said it's 2. It's child abuse.

That sounds like the sort of excuse I used to make before finally giving up and realizing that IQs differ. People don't test Calculus knowledge on IQ tests: they're very, VERY basic tests that can be administered to elementary-school children. African-Americans, due to better education, nutrition, and possible partial-Caucasian ancestry do score about 10 points higher than Sub-Saharan Africans, so you have a point... It's all just miserably depressing. It would be nice if everyone had the same IQs.

I'm not going to lie I feel mostly the same I don't have the antro back round to debate you on this. At least control of the words or subject. Forgive me for bitching out, but I think culture is a big factor. I think you are referencing the Minnesota trans racial study. But I will take your side and say, due to many factors Africa suffered a desire to breed en mass and not for smarts. so it's had it's own eugenics issues.

Hey I threw a like to your post I can't be too mad

 

[Sailor_Jupiter]

Oh god don't start me on the anti education field. It's unschooling, in Africa. I can't touch this education with out going full a-log. Now regardless how people feel about slavery colonization etc. Needless to say some African's feel anything Western or white is wrong and made up their own schooling. Problem is it's so anti west centric 1+1= 7 because whitey said it's 2. It's child abuse.


I'm not going to lie I feel mostly the same I don't have the antro back round to debate you on this. At least control of the words or subject. Forgive me for bitching out, but I think culture is a big factor. I think you are referencing the Minnesota trans racial study. But I will take your side and say, due to many factors Africa suffered a desire to breed en mass and not for smarts. so it's had it's own eugenics issues.

Hey I threw a like to your post I can't be too mad

We're cool.

This is just such a depressing topic. I wish every place was nice and everyone had enough.

 

[Marvin]

People never want to discuss racial IQ differences. I don't want to, either- but I'll just point out that China's ancient Confucian scholar/Imperial examinations system promoted anyone with great brains, giving them more power, more money, and... in a polygamous society... much more pu $$y. Simply put the Chinese have spent hundreds of years selectively breeding themselves to be brilliant, and that affects the gene pool. The Africans? They're more likely to breed for strength + stamina (to fight the lions and other tribes!) which results in them having some of the highest testosterone levels of any race, but sadly, the lowest IQs. But it's not PC so science and heredity don't exist.

ed: edited to add, before any of us get too uppity, whites and Native Americans just score average of the racial IQ scale. The Jews and the East-Asians are the smartest!

Problem is that IQ is not the same thing as being smart. It's a test of very simple pattern detection. It's kind of like judging a guy who was on the basketball team in high school as being a great candidate for, say, a lifelong career in roofing, just because he was athletic at one point.

Environment and diet and cultural factors are almost certainly what distinguishes the Chinese and Africans.

 

[Sailor_Jupiter]

Problem is that IQ is not the same thing as being smart. It's a test of very simple pattern detection. It's kind of like judging a guy who was on the basketball team in high school as being a great candidate for, say, a lifelong career in roofing, just because he was athletic at one point.

That makes me feel a bit better about it. -_-;

 

[76LD910]

Environment and diet and cultural factors are almost certainly what distinguishes the Chinese and Africans.

I've read quit a lot about the relative IQ of different groups of people and i agree that it probably has less to do with genetics than the reasons you stated but ..... does it matter ?

Environment, diet, culture and race are intrinsically linked for most people so i don't understand how it would make any practical difference whether those or IQ were the reason some places are shitty and some aren't. If caucasians or asians are more advanced only because they tend to live in more forgiving places, eat certain foods or have a "smarter" culture than africans well ..... they would still be permanently stunted unless they abandon everything that makes them africans aside from their skin color. And i don't see that ever happening.

 

[Marvin]

I've read quit a lot about the relative IQ of different groups of people and i agree that it probably has less to do with genetics than the reasons you stated but ..... does it matter ?

Environment, diet, culture and race are intrinsically linked for most people so i don't understand how it would make any practical difference whether those or IQ were the reason some places are shitty and some aren't. If caucasians or asians are more advanced only because they tend to live in more forgiving places, eat certain foods or have a "smarter" culture than africans well ..... they would still be permanently stunted unless they abandon everything that makes them africans aside from their skin color. And i don't see that ever happening.

The reason it matters is that if genetics are the prime mover, then African Americans are fucked by virtue of their ancestry.

 

[76LD910]

The reason it matters is that if genetics are the prime mover, then African Americans are fucked by virtue of their ancestry.

Every racial and ethnic group in America has their own culture, regardless of whether they've been here for centuries or decades.

Ever since African Americans have been on this side of the Atlantic they've had their own unique deeply ingrained culture. Today that culture includes elements which some would argue fucks them over just as much if not more than a slightly lower IQ would.

Why do you think culture would change any faster than a genetically based IQ deficit ?

 

[Marvin]

Every racial and ethnic group in America has their own culture, regardless of whether they've been here for centuries or decades.

Ever since African Americans have been on this side of the Atlantic they've had their own unique deeply ingrained culture. Today that culture includes elements which some would argue fucks them over just as much if not more than a slightly lower IQ would.

Why do you think culture would change any faster than a genetically based IQ deficit ?

Doesn't seem to be that way.

 

[Pikimon]

IQ is also not an accepted way of measuring intelligence so theres that.

 

[DinosaursNotHipsters]

idk, I don't think that has much to do with the point buddy makes in the video. In the video, he's basically saying the people in whatever country he's in could not sustain any knowledge of superior technology and just left it to decay, and that their inability to pass down experience is why they're in the situation they're in today.

What I'm saying is that, the places mentioned in the video were once great metropolitan and infrastructure projects that are supposed to be testaments to Chinese engineering; but many of them have fallen to decay as a result of mismanagement, corruption, people not giving a shit, etc similar to how the infrastructure in African countries went to shit after the colonists left

Also, just look at other aspects of Chinese infrastructure: waters toxic to drink, dead pigs found in rivers that people get drinking water from,

 

[Absolutego]

People keep making this out to be an IQ thing or a "fucked by colonialism" thing, but honestly I think it's the continued meddling from Western powers that screws over Africa.

This region went through the most rapid and half-assed industrialization of any place on the planet. Their industrial improvements were largely enforced by outside powers to make resource extraction easier, not to better the lives of the citizens. And once they got independence and could try and finish the job and modernize Western corporations and NGOs keep trying to put the entire continent into a safe box where borders don't change too much and we desperately hope they'll just listen to reason and become liberal democracies.

Except it took more than a century of near-constant upheaval, violence and general insanity for Europe to move past their own built-in biases and tribal attitudes. Humans aren't usually very forward-thinking creatures. We rely heavily on the school of hard knocks to learn anything, and that goes double for when we're in groups. Just about every other region on the planet got their chance to fight it out and settle into the post-industrial new normal. Keeping Africa in this stasis where they can't do anything too crazy without getting Western powers involved is just keeping them in a state of arrested development, unable to undergo the social upheaval required to fully modernize.

The best thing for Africa would be to stabilize just enough that they're a more attractive manufacturing zone than Southeast Asia and follow the Chinese model for modernization, but with how little the borders there reflect the ethnic makeup of the continent and how much inner tension just about every country has between different tribes that's unlikely to spread outside of the Swahili coast, if even there.

 

[DuskEngine]

The best thing for Africa would be to stabilize just enough that they're a more attractive manufacturing zone than Southeast Asia and follow the Chinese model for modernization, but with how little the borders there reflect the ethnic makeup of the continent and how much inner tension just about every country has between different tribes that's unlikely to spread outside of the Swahili coast, if even there.

Many Asian countries also have really arbitrary borders (Lee Kuan Yew was right when he described India as 32 nations arrayed along a British rail line) and the region is hardly known for its good relations.

The difference is that Asian countries were well placed to shift to an export footing. China grabbed low-end manufacturing, the Tigers got high-end manufacturing, India got skilled services, and other countries in the region entered industries like textiles in a big way.

A big reason for this was the importance ascribed to education in the region, which I do believe is a cultural thing.

Weak democratic institutions combined with a lot of natural resource wealth means there's no reason for many African leaders to invest in their countries in a really forward-thinking way, instead of just making trade deals that basically export their country's wealth wholesale and line their pockets.

This becomes a vicious cycle of course, as skilled, upwardly mobile young people go abroad to seek better opportunities and creates a brain drain. I'm not sure what the solution to that could be except to strengthen democratic institutions to a bare minimum.

This isn't helped by the fact that the US provides material support for a lot of authoritarian, cronyist leaders and smug intelligentsia trot out the 'they're not ready for democracy' canard everytime it's questioned.

 

[Cheap Sandals]

I feel like perhaps nutrition and brain plasticity plays a part. Kids who are taught how to think are better at thinking. Kids who are taught their brains exist to serve their bellies/gentials/tribe don't do as well. Whodathunk?

 

[ZeCommissar]

Racial IQ differences could be attributed to many factors. I don't know why anyone in a first world country would try to compare their IQ to someone that has a very poor education system in a third world country and then make the conclusion "they are just naturally that way" or really anywhere else on the planet where the people you compare yourselves to did not have the same education, and cultural upbringing you did.

One thing I have seen everywhere is that the racial IQ differences is used as a way to dehumanize blacks, and other races that don't meet the standard. (not saying anyone here is trying to do that) They try to make a broad sweeping generalization of their superiority for being (insert race). There are superior cultures, not superior races.

Also the Chinese dude should look at his own country first, i'm sure there are millions of Chinese people that get very little education besides how to make something in a factory for 'murica.

 

[DuskEngine]

Racial IQ differences could be attributed to many factors. I don't know why anyone in a first world country would try to compare their IQ to someone that has a very poor education system in a third world country and then make the conclusion "they are just naturally that way" or really anywhere else on the planet where the people you compare yourselves to did not have the same education, and cultural upbringing you did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

 

[Mrs Paul]

I'm currently reading Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" which attempts to answer why Europe (as well as a good bit of Asia) tended to do so much better than the rest of the world. It's really vary interesting, and a lot more complex than one would think. His theory is that success has less to do with superior intellect and more to do with opportunity and necessity. Some parts are kinda dry, but I think it's worth a look.