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SSj_Ness said:
It may not match Switch 1's success but for it to be a disaster they'd need to do something extremely retarded even by Nintendo standards.
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It just needs backwards compatibility and to be more powerful and it's already doing it right. Thankfully, both points are seemingly already confirmed.
 
starborn427614 said:
It just needs backwards compatibility and to be more powerful and it's already doing it right. Thankfully, both points are seemingly already confirmed.
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Those are important but there's a lot more to consider. They need proper marketing, a good launch lineup, reasonable price, etc. There's so many ways they could screw up even if the system itself is great. We've seen them mess up in each of these ways at least once. I think they're being extra careful this time though, I'd be surprised if it didn't have great reception.
 
Pissmaster said:
B: "well you should really give it a try"
A: "Okay, I will."
>A plays it for an hour
A: "I was right, it's shit."
B: "you only played it for an hour tho. it gets better later on after you unlock the smoogamagooble"
A: "How long does that take?"
B: "you get it about 5 hours in"
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I remember Final Fantasy 13 being the first game where i read the unironic "It gets good X hours in" adage online in various places. X being "20" in this case. Nigga, i already hate this after two hours in, i won't waste more time in the faint hope i might get a smidgen of enjoyment from it in fucking 18 more hours. God bless Steam for their very uncomplicated refund process if you played under two hours, if Sony would offer that i would easily have less than half of the games i do on my PSN account, i fell for so many bad games it's ridiculous.
Big Boss Nigger said:
They need to stop with the nigger worship in Sony's studios.
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I feel for blacks when it comes to this shit, this kind of virtue signalling is so incredibly patronizing.
 
Pissmaster said:
They actually might, at this point. I've gotten refunds on Xbox games as of a few years ago.
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Too late for me, switched over to gaming on PC entirely shortly before the PS5 dropped and my PS4 is gathering dust in my cupboard. Smartest decision i've made regarding gaming, looking at the disastrous state of console gaming (the Switch somewhat exempted) in the last couple of years. I got one friend in my social circle now that bought a PS5 for whatever reason and we always ask him what cool new games he's playing on it and it's literally that crying-wojak-wearing-smug-wojak-mask meme.
 
The Feline Solution said:
Too late for me, switched over to gaming on PC entirely shortly before the PS5 dropped and my PS4 is gathering dust in my cupboard. Smartest decision i've made regarding gaming, looking at the disastrous state of console gaming (the Switch somewhat exempted) in the last couple of years. I got one friend in my social circle now that bought a PS5 for whatever reason and we always ask him what cool new games he's playing on it and it's literally that crying-wojak-wearing-smug-wojak-mask meme.
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That reminds me of that post about controllers on Steam's blog back in November. https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/3823053915988527061

  • There were over 3 Billion game sessions that included a controller in the past year
    • 60% Xbox controller
    • 27% PlayStation models
    • The remaining % is made up of Steam Deck, Switch Pro, and hundreds of other controller models
  • The same period four years ago (ending Nov 2019) had 990 Million controller sessions
    • 76% Xbox controllers
    • 19% PlayStation controllers
  • During these four years, PlayStation controllers saw a 4x increase in sessions
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PlayStation controllers are rapidly increasing in popularity on Steam. That's an indication of a whoooooooole lotta people using the controller they already have to migrate over to PC. Hahaha!
 
Pissmaster said:
That reminds me of that post about controllers on Steam's blog back in November. https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/3823053915988527061


PlayStation controllers are rapidly increasing in popularity on Steam. That's an indication of a whoooooooole lotta people using the controller they already have to migrate over to PC. Hahaha!
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I wonder how many of Xbox controllers are actually Xbox as opposed to “made for both Xbox and PC” or even “not Xbox at all but Windows still sees it as Xbox”. Though I’d say those Playstation controllers are definitely Playstation.
 
Pissmaster said:
PlayStation controllers are rapidly increasing in popularity on Steam. That's an indication of a whoooooooole lotta people using the controller they already have to migrate over to PC. Hahaha!
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Call me autistic but one of the last things I'd ever want in my games are less control and less functional camera movement, so using a controller outside of maybe dedicated autistic flight controllers for War Thunder with my PC is one of the last things I'd do.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
I think the Switch 2 will be a disaster.
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No way in hell. Nintendo would have to try to fuck up for it to be an outright disaster. It may not sell as well as the first Switch (which would be difficult in any case just due to how well the Switch sold), but I can't see Nintendo failing unless they pull the Wii U, and try to force a lame gimmick, while abandoning what made the Switch great, and not releasing any real games, and giving the console confusing marketing. Nintendo did all that once, but its impossible for me to see them doing that twice.
 
SSj_Ness said:
It may not match Switch 1's success but for it to be a disaster they'd need to do something extremely retarded even by Nintendo standards.
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
No way in hell. Nintendo would have to try to fuck up for it to be an outright disaster. It may not sell as well as the first Switch (which would be difficult in any case just due to how well the Switch sold), but I can't see Nintendo failing unless they pull the Wii U, and try to force a lame gimmick, while abandoning what made the Switch great, and not releasing any real games, and giving the console confusing marketing. Nintendo did all that once, but its impossible for me to see them doing that twice.
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I don't believe it will be in the hands of Nintendo. The rumours say that the switch will launch at a price around $399. For customers to upgrade from a Switch to a Switch 2, they need a good reason to do so. This is where the sticking point is.

Customers won't be arsed about new graphics of the Switch 2 because the audience aren't graphics whores. Nintendo can't make too many games exclusive to the Switch 2 because that would be abandoning 150+ million users. This means that games have to be multi-gen compatible for at least the first 12-18 months, which begs the question again, why upgrade?

The Wii U wasn't a failure because it was a crap console. It was a failure because Nintendo didn't offer enough value proposition to convince granny to bin her Wii; a console bought because it was cheap, unique (Wiimotes) and accessible to the normies. Nintendo are repeating that mistake. To a normie, what's the difference between a Switch and a Switch 2? Higher price for better graphics that they don't care about?

Add onto that the Switch 2 will probably drop during a recession and further economic issues, meaning more Switch owners will stick to what they have, at least until the cross-over period ends in 2026/27, where the console will be cheaper and we will be out of the economic downturn. The Switch 2 will be the PS3 all over again.


TL;DR - Switch 2 offers an upgrade to graphics at a higher price, sold to customers who don't want to a pay a premium for graphics that they don't care about.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
For customers to upgrade from a Switch to a Switch 2, they need a good reason to do so. This is where the sticking point is.
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A fresh, fun, and simple gimmick, plus must-have exclusives. That's enough for the casual audience. For everyone else, better graphics and hopefully more/improved features too.

They have to be careful about what they make cross-generational, they need to support the Switch but they also need to wean people off of it faster than Sony did with PS4. If it was up to me I'd just follow the 3DS' plan but for Switch.
 
SSj_Ness said:
A fresh, fun, and simple gimmick, plus must-have exclusives. That's enough for the casual audience. For everyone else, better graphics and hopefully more/improved features too.
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To play devils advocate: What gimmick will switch 2 have that 1 didn't?

SSj_Ness said:
They have to be careful about what they make cross-generational, they need to support the Switch but they also need to wean people off of it faster than Sony did with PS4. If it was up to me I'd just follow the 3DS' plan but for Switch.
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Nintendo are greedy bastards and won't close the door on Switch 1's users for at least 12 months. What exclusives are on the horizon for Switch 2? Mario kart 21? Zelda 7? Mario 31?
Anecdotal evidence says most people want a powerful switch to play 3rd party games, which is funny considering Nintendo has done everything in its' power to tell 3rd parties to fuck off for the last 2 decades.

Why is this Nintendo spergin in a Sony thread? because Nintendo are the last of the lemmings:

Nintendo is following Sony
Sony is following Microsoft
Microsoft is following Sega.

They're walking off of a cliff one at a time, by copying their competitions mistakes. It's fun to watch.
 
I agree that switch owners wont upgrade for graphics.

Nintendo will absolutely make games exclusive to new hardware for no reason other than to push the hardware. Pretend the game needs 4K Rumble, idk.

First party cross gen would be limited to smaller games that might struggle on low install base.
 
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RIP Toriyama again.

Bog-standard Poster said:
Anecdotal evidence says most people want a powerful switch to play 3rd party games, which is funny considering Nintendo has done everything in its' power to tell 3rd parties to fuck off for the last 2 decades.
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Nintendo is not against third-parties (in fact it has a strong relationship with Koei-Tecmo, Square-Enix and Bamco, and very friendly to small dev teams), the company simply learned to not depend on them in any case they were to bail out for either reason. The same cannot be said for Playstation on the other hand.

The Switch 2 being stronger hardware (supposedly 1:1 with a PS4 Pro/Steam Deck) is just a natural evolution rather than a forced focus on raw power to invite third-parties into the ecosystem. The fallout of the Playstation brand in Japan will make Japanese third-parties reconsider things over too unlike so far.
 
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