Sony hate thread

[Two Dollars]

It's worse. It's so much worse. It's effectively a Linux SBC that, out of the box, is not much more powerful compared to a Raspberry Pi Zero. The original one, not Zero 2.

It literally runs PCSX-ReARMed under the hood, the shitty and stale one, with practically no modifications (as far as I can tell). You can make or buy yourself a RPi0 handheld, get PCSX up and running, with some config adjustment, and enjoy a... similar level of performance. Performance so below mid you WOULD wanna consider getting PAL versions instead of the proper ones.

Let’s not exaggerate, it was more like a Pi 3, with most of the modding community comparing it to a 3B+ specifically. It could handle SNES and GBA just fine with Snes9x 2010 and mGBA, upscaled DS through Drastic, and most PSP at native resolution, with some simpler games running full speed at 2x.

There was an arms race for a while of people trying to squeeze every bit of power they could out of it with stuff like the Xtreme RetroArch cores and porting a ton of open-source games. Much better PS1 performance than the built-in PCSX and it could even do a little bit of N64.

 

[Chuck 'n Geck]

Let’s not exaggerate, it was more like a Pi 3, with most of the modding community comparing it to a 3B+ specifically. It could handle SNES and GBA just fine with Snes9x 2010 and mGBA, upscaled DS through Drastic, and most PSP at native resolution, with some simpler games running full speed at 2x.

That's why I've said "out of the box". At least, it's very much comparable, considering the difference in power between the vanilla Zero and the 3(+).

Amazing what the right set of emulators can do on budget hardware.

 

[Markorian]

The thing that will always stick with me about the ps1 classic isn't just how the lineup of games on the thing was absolutely terrible, it's the fact they included the botched dualshock port of resident evil... and then didn't include dualshock controllers with the damn thing.

 

[Fcret]

The thing that will always stick with me about the ps1 classic isn't just how the lineup of games on the thing was absolutely terrible, it's the fact they included the botched dualshock port of resident evil... and then didn't include dualshock controllers with the damn thing.

Also the huge amount of PAL versions locked to 50 hz even in non-PAL territories.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Even Capcom has blamed the PS5 for Wilds' failure.

Capcom deciding to absolutely fuck optimization on PC ruined them, all this means is PS5 can’t pick up the slack.

 

[Markorian]

Capcom deciding to absolutely fuck optimization on PC ruined them, all this means is PS5 can’t pick up the slack.

I'd say it's threefold. The game sucks, the pc version is unacceptable, and PS5 owners don't buy video games.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Sony is such a cucked cuckpany, can't wait to play as Kat, Astro Bot, and Sackboy among others in Smash Utlimate Deluxe!

Me too.

Also the huge amount of PAL versions locked to 50 hz even in non-PAL territories.

And it was way more expensive than NES Classic or even SNES Classic despite all those issues. Absolutely embarrassing.

Still hoping for an N64 Classic eventually, it's the only chance we'll ever get that Earthbound 64 demo from Spaceworld.

 

[Qonas]

it's the only chance we'll ever get that Earthbound 64 demo

We got Duke Nukem Forever, we can get this.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

We got Duke Nukem Forever, we can get this.

When it wasn't in the Nintendo gigaleaks I lost hope. Maybe when Itoi passes, if he's got a copy somewhere, possibly it'll be put up for auction or something... That's the only other way I can see it being released.

 

[Captain Dipshit]

Certain high-profile PS2 games also still run like dogshit, even on high-end PCs. A PS2 classic that can't run the Sly Cooper or (last I checked) Jak and Daxter games properly would really sour the whole thing.

Sly runs fine on ps5 tf

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

Sly runs fine on ps5 tf

Is it emulating the PS2 games or the PS3 ports? I'll bet it's the latter.

Don't take my word for it - go try it in PCSX2 yourself.

 

[broners]

Is it emulating the PS2 games or the PS3 ports? I'll bet it's the latter.

It's the PS2 versions in a PS2 emulator.
The PS3 versions can be streamed with a subscription, but the versions you can actually buy and download are for PS2.

 

[moocow]

The PS3 versions can be streamed with a subscription

How the hell did they manage to get that working? The PS3 hardware can't do video capture and there's no (known) full-speed PS3 emulator to my knowledge. Did they just rig up some custom OS stuff on PS3 units, stick video capture hardware on the back of each one, plug in emulated controllers via USB and write a bunch of backend glue to make it all work? What about lag (Stadia's Achilles' heel)?

Seems to me the modern PS5 platform could use that kind of expertise and talent if in fact Sony still actually has it instead of getting a niche service like this up and running.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

How the hell did they manage to get that working? The PS3 hardware can't do video capture and there's no (known) full-speed PS3 emulator to my knowledge. Did they just rig up some custom OS stuff on PS3 units, stick video capture hardware on the back of each one, plug in emulated controllers via USB and write a bunch of backend glue to make it all work? What about lag (Stadia's Achilles' heel)?

Seems to me the modern PS5 platform could use that kind of expertise and talent if in fact Sony still actually has it instead of getting a niche service like this up and running.

PlayStation Now was streaming PS3 games for a long time, I remember streaming them on my Vita. No idea exactly how they're doing it but it's been a thing for at least a decade now. It was indeed laggy as hell.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Streaming video games is the dumbest fucking idea anyone could ever come up with. Seriously, just ask Google how well that went with Stadia.

Unlike movies, games need precise inputs for even the simplest things like moving around. It's bad enough there's already slight lag on actual hardware ever since everything went digital and continues to get worse with newer TVs, adding more lag ontop of lag is just a death sentence.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Streaming video games is the dumbest fucking idea anyone could ever come up with. Seriously, just ask Google how well that went with Stadia.

Unlike movies, games need precise inputs for even the simplest things like moving around. It's bad enough there's already slight lag on actual hardware ever since everything went digital and continues to get worse with newer TVs, adding more lag ontop of lag is just a death sentence.

It's fine for slow games, I just played RPGs mainly.

 

[Fcret]

How the hell did they manage to get that working? The PS3 hardware can't do video capture and there's no (known) full-speed PS3 emulator to my knowledge. Did they just rig up some custom OS stuff on PS3 units, stick video capture hardware on the back of each one, plug in emulated controllers via USB and write a bunch of backend glue to make it all work? What about lag (Stadia's Achilles' heel)?

Seems to me the modern PS5 platform could use that kind of expertise and talent if in fact Sony still actually has it instead of getting a niche service like this up and running.

They just use the game streaming protocol that was built into the PS3's OS. The hardware they have for it is a bit more sophisticated than a base PS3 but it's not like it's something Sony hasn't had figured out for a long time.

Streaming video games is the dumbest fucking idea anyone could ever come up with. Seriously, just ask Google how well that went with Stadia.

Yeah it's not great and despite massive subsidization in things like GeForce Now, it seems consumers are only mildly interested in it.

Personally I think we'll see proper emulated PS3 games on the PS6 as that'll likely be built on Zen 6 and the strong AVX-512 capabilities will make it a beast for emulating PS3.

 

[Two Dollars]

How good is Moonlight on a local network now? Assuming a good router and Ethernet for the source device, can it stream at a steady 1080p60 with minimal input lag?

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Streaming video games is the dumbest fucking idea anyone could ever come up with. Seriously, just ask Google how well that went with Stadia.

its not that terrible an idea but the main limiter is internet speed/bandwith related, but thats an isp issue and cant easily be fixed on the user's side

 

[Belvedere]

This is obviously untrue as PS5, XSX and UHD Blu-ray players with optical drives are still being mass produced.
The rumor that LG stopped manufacturing optical drives for PCs comes from someone asking LG's customer support AI chatbot if they were discontinuing their PC drives, and the AI saying "it's safe to assume" they did.
Please do not repeat things of this significance without fact checking.

Likewise, the plant Sony closed last year was for BD-R recordable discs and has no bearing on them making pressed discs or disc drives. Sony ceased manufacturing PC optical drives not quite last year, but in 2012. Again, stop repeating retarded shit.

While I appreciate the correction on some of the details, arguing it is "only optical drives for PC" does not negate the trend to phase out all optical media entirely. LG exiting the manufacture of optical drives for PC is not a rumor, it is real. Whatever PC disc drives that are available on the market right now are new-old stock,

If the PC market is already out, how long is it going to take for all optical drive manufacturing to cease entirely? Already brick and mortal retailers like Best Buy got rid of their optical media sections. PC is just ahead of the trend, the rest of the consumer electronic sector will follow.

Also, saying that devices with optical drives are being mass produced, while true, it is ultimately meaningless. VHS Players and CRT TVs were being mass produced when the first DVDs players and LCD monitors/TVs were rolling out to market. Those analog devises were produced by the millions and you'll be hard pressed to find any still in use today in an average household. These are completely gone just like optical drives are going to be gone before long. It may be a gradual process but inevitably that's going to be the end result. Everything is moving to digital download and solid state storage.

And coincidentally to refer to this specific topic, this piece of news just hit.

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EXCLUSIVE – PlayStation 6 is Planned to Have a Detachable Disc Drive on Launch​

Insider Gaming has learned that the PlayStation 6 is planned to have a detachable disc drive when the console launches.

First introduced mid-generation for the PlayStation 5 (and exclusively reported by Insider Gaming in September 2022), the detachable disc drive was a means for PlayStation to reduce its production and shipping costs.

For the next generation of the PlayStation, several sources, who wished to remain anonymous because they were not authorized to talk about company plans, have said that the detachable disc drive is here to stay for the next generation.

Identical to the PlayStation 5 and its detachable disc drive, customers will be able to buy the console individually as a “digital console”, bundled with the PlayStation 6 as a “traditional console”, or upgrade later by purchasing the detachable disc drive separately.

According to one source, unless things are changed at the last minute, PlayStation is “firm” on the decision because the disc drive for the PlayStation 5 hit all the company’s internal targets. Again, it was reiterated by the source that the decision was made to reduce manufacturing and shipping costs during “uncertain times” (likely referring to the tariff/trade war).

These “uncertain times” have seemingly influenced PlayStation’s decision on the look of the next PlayStation, too, as rumblings suggest that this time around, the PlayStation 6 will have a much simpler design than its predecessor, again to maximize efficiency, shipping space, weight, and so on.

Even as late as this month, we can expect PlayStation to introduce a new PlayStation 5 “slim” revision to the market, which will launch with an 825GB hard drive instead of the standard 1TB. It’s also believed that, like with all PlayStation 5 revisions, the new revision will reduce the console’s weight, indicating that PlayStation is trying to save pennies where and when necessary.

While the news of a detachable disc drive may not be shocking to some, it’s the best of both worlds, as it allows PlayStation to cater to both physical and digital markets while reducing costs.

The plans mean that physical games are here to stay, at least for the next generation with the PlayStation 6. What do you think of the PlayStation 6 having a detachable disc drive? Do you think Xbox will have a disc drive, too? Let us know through the Insider Gaming forum.

"Detachable" is the key word,the PS6 is going to be built digital by default with a disc drive as an option. Compare that to the original PS5's disc drive which was built-in into the console. It is subtle but certain. Sony is communicating that optical drives are going to go away.