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Francis York Morgan said:
This right here more or less sums up the only Hulk I've ever enjoyed - Joe Fixit. For all his faults in Immortal Hulk, I think Ewing mostly did a good job with Joe and I liked the idea that he's the personality Betty is the most drawn to. If I were to write a Hulk story, I probably would use him as the Hulk largely because he's got enough intelligence to have a real character, he's sinister enough to keep everyone on edge even when "calm", he has a charm to him that I don't think any of the other intelligent Hulk personalities ever had, and there's some real depth to him under all his sociopathy and bluster.
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"Joe Fixit joins the Avengers and Steve Rogers has a blast talking to him about the film noir movies of his youth in the 1930s."

I think that'd be a fun time tbh.
 
King Koalemos said:
runaways was fine but i think it went to shit right after he left it
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Runaways was went to shit when Alex betrayed them to the Jewish demons, mainly because the Jewish demons were just out of left field and felt like they were recycled from an old Buffy fanfic Vaugh wrote. Whedon certainly didn't help on the follow up. Runaways were always a group that felt needlessly contrived, I'd rather have Cloak and Dagger, but both kids are idiots who decide to steal from Drug Dealers and run into the Punisher and the other people because the drug is MGH.

Oh yeah, Marvel destroyed SHIELD in the comics. I mean I get that the GI Joe thing didn't really work after Secret War and Dark Reign, but you think that at some point you'd start seeing people being deputized as Agents because you have assholes who can turn off your dad's pacemaker by accident walking around when they try to mindhack an ATM. I checked out at Civil War 2. I'm not really a believer in internal security agencies, but Marvel and DC always shy'd away from having a normalization of superheroes like the Venture Bros did.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
Runaways was went to shit when Alex betrayed them to the Jewish demons, mainly because the Jewish demons were just out of left field and felt like they were recycled from an old Buffy fanfic Vaugh wrote. Whedon certainly didn't help on the follow up. Runaways were always a group that felt needlessly contrived, I'd rather have Cloak and Dagger, but both kids are idiots who decide to steal from Drug Dealers and run into the Punisher and the other people because the drug is MGH.

Oh yeah, Marvel destroyed SHIELD in the comics. I mean I get that the GI Joe thing didn't really work after Secret War and Dark Reign, but you think that at some point you'd start seeing people being deputized as Agents because you have assholes who can turn off your dad's pacemaker by accident walking around when they try to mindhack an ATM. I checked out at Civil War 2. I'm not really a believer in internal security agencies, but Marvel and DC always shy'd away from having a normalization of superheroes like the Venture Bros did.
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i feel like the destruction of Shield was always meant to be some kinda leadup into a greater story, but it's been stalled over and over again.
 
King Koalemos said:
i feel like the destruction of Shield was always meant to be some kinda leadup into a greater story, but it's been stalled over and over again.
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I feel like a lot of things in modern Marvel are kinda tainted by writers never really thinking forward. Editoral from my understanding of supposed interns on /co/ and writers are mostly retarded now. Shooter ruled with an iron, but fair fist from what I've read. He knew who to pander to and a lot of writers got autistic about not being able to do what they previously did under other editors.

They have entire scripts of what writers wanted to do with the Punisher and I feel like Ennis was the monkey's paw for that. I have friends who love it, but it just feels very much like it'd be better off as it's own thing. It's that violent 'realism' that Bill Waterson did a strip about once. It's just spectacle, and the message is really no different from edgy police procederals around the same time. It just feels weird with comics because Frank exists to bust regular drug dealers in a world where odds are that one of them should have powers. They could probably do that organically like you have Frank breaking into the bone marrow harvesting lab for the mutant drug and he becomes popular among the mutant community for being a folk hero. Punisher is odd because depending on the writer, he's either hated for guns or whatever. I hate that Marvel actually had an idea of where it was going during the Millar/ Bendis Era.
 
Some one put together Magneto's crimes against humanity. I'll dump it here because I'm lazy and don't want to screenshot.

>Attack on Cape Citadel missile base, 1963
>Conquest of Santo Marco, 1964
>Attempted to nuke Santo Marco, 1964
>Attempted to nuke New York, 1964
>Led various Brotherhood attacks on the USA, 1964-1965
>Attacks on international shipping using a giant magnet, 1964
>Kidnapped Angel's parents to harvest for DNA to create a slave army of mutants, 1965
>Attacked the UN, demanding they give him his own mutant nation, 1968
>Attempted to enslave all humanity with a mind control machine, 1968
>Forcibly transformed people of the Savage Land into mutates, building an army intended to conquer the Savage Land and then the world, 1969
>Allied with Atlantis to invade New York, 1970
>Attacked a research facility to steal an experimental power source, intent on using it to power his Universe Machine that would turn people into mutants, 1971-1972
>Attempted to take control of every nuclear reactor in the USA, to irradiate the country, killing most humans and turning the survivors into mutants, 1973
>Attacked the UN Building again, taking everyone hostage and demanding the world surrender to him, 1974
>Attacks a SHIELD research base to kidnap and enslave the smallest man in the world, 1977
>Attacked research bases in Australia and New Zealand, stealing equipment to rebuild Asteroid M, 1978
>Threatens to end all life on Earth unless everyone surrenders to him, sinks a Russian submarine, killing it's crew, destroys the city of Varykino by creating a volcano inside it, 1981
>Put on trial for his crimes, used a mind control device to compel a court to set him free, 1987
>Attacks New York to fight Spider-Man, 1989
>Causes destruction at a refinery in LA, 1990
>Threatens the world with nuclear warheads, detonates a warhead over Russian airspace, attacks Genosha, 1991
>Lowers a massive space station into the atmosphere, causing destructive winds, tides and storms across the world, 1993
>Caused a worldwide electromagnetic pulse, shutting off all electrical equipment, killing untold numbers through plane and car crashes, hospitals losing power, etc, 1993
>Murdered an old man who once created forged documents for one of his fake identities, 1998
>Destroyed a building in LA just so he could bully a man into admitting to being scared of what mutants can do, 1999
>Shut off all electricity worldwide again, to blackmail the UN into giving him a nation, 1999
>Brutally crushed all native Genoshan resistance to his rule, human and mutant alike, 1999-2000
>Oppressed humans in Genosha to drive them out of the country, 2001
>About to go to lead Genosha to war against the world, only stopped by Wolverine stabbing him, 2001
>Attacked LA again, 2008

I honestly hate Magneto's redemption because even before all this bullshit he literally was an abusive fuck to his children, not knowing they were his, but he beat the fuck out of Quicksilver and basically was going to let Toad or Blob rape her if needed. He's better off as some villain rather than a Jew whining about how he can oppress others because Uncle Adolf was mean to him once. Niggas go on about how the X-Men don't make sense in Marvel when they opened their arms to the biggest cunt in Marvel, who the fuck wouldn't hate them.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
Runaways was went to shit when Alex betrayed them to the Jewish demons, mainly because the Jewish demons were just out of left field and felt like they were recycled from an old Buffy fanfic Vaugh wrote. Whedon certainly didn't help on the follow up. Runaways were always a group that felt needlessly contrived, I'd rather have Cloak and Dagger, but both kids are idiots who decide to steal from Drug Dealers and run into the Punisher and the other people because the drug is MGH.

Oh yeah, Marvel destroyed SHIELD in the comics. I mean I get that the GI Joe thing didn't really work after Secret War and Dark Reign, but you think that at some point you'd start seeing people being deputized as Agents because you have assholes who can turn off your dad's pacemaker by accident walking around when they try to mindhack an ATM. I checked out at Civil War 2. I'm not really a believer in internal security agencies, but Marvel and DC always shy'd away from having a normalization of superheroes like the Venture Bros did.
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the gibborim could have worked but i just got tired of the runaways being some weird bullshit corner of the Marvel Universe.

like nigga, there's no reason someone wouldn't have known about The Pride.

the modern runaways shit is fucking weird because it literally reads like fanfiction with the ressurection of Gert and the weird sperging she does about "muh Runaways are family" when it's easily been 5-6 years in-universe since she died.

the problem with the Runaways is that they don't really work as a long-term concept for Marvel because they grew up.

Miles Morales and the Champions? They'll grow up too, but the Runaways kinda always felt like a weird insertion that you only bought into because of the nature of superhero comics being "anything can happen".
 
King Koalemos said:
Miles Morales and the Champions? They'll grow up too, but the Runaways kinda always felt like a weird insertion that you only bought into because of the nature of superhero comics being "anything can happen".
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Miles will never grow up until some Black creator with a reasonable following calls Miles racist or something. Bring up Miles' Dad is named Jefferson Davis, that Miles outside of the movie Miles is boring, he's a boring clone of Peter, and he's never had a good story only ever is told how important he is by other black heroes.

Kamala is will be forgotten if that one editor leaves or falls from grace or Huma Abadeen falls from grace. Kamala would be better off as a weird, but nice girl who joins some local wannabe hero charity. Like they wear costume's and use their powers for fundraisers despite not being combat oriented. Do an arc where drunk henchmen fuck up Jersey and her group actually organizes a counter-defense. She cannot carry a book, they neutered the Islamic part of her character. It's just highschool lesbian bullshit with Kamala being a hero with no stakes, her mother knows.

Vision's daughter was a Tom King creation, the well was poisoned and then they made her a dyke. There are too many lesbians. When the third of every cast is gay then it means nothing, it's not representation it's fetishization. It's also blatant pandering, fujos don't actually care about gays, they jill off to the idea of really bland sex with hilariously violent ideas of what is kinky. Men just want to see two dykes play with each others boobs, watching women kiss each other is really not that hot, it's basically blue balling and threesomes are fucking terrible, it's a third wheel and usually one of the chicks is unhinged.

The New Wasp would be interesting, but a guy who fetishes brown lesbians wrote her book. She's not ruined, you could save her by having Janet admit to pushing Hank further and further in a nervous breakdown. Bring up how she played with Hank's mind by learning Hungarian. Have Ultron show interest in his older sister, have him comment on Viv's status as a memetic daughter of Vision and Wanda. GIARL Labs was terrible, never bring it up again beyond Nadia wanting to meet other autistic girls interested in science and then being weirded out because she's a touch starved super soldier. Bring up Tigra and the Avengers academy kids.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
Miles will never grow up until some Black creator with a reasonable following calls Miles racist or something. Bring up Miles' Dad is named Jefferson Davis, that Miles outside of the movie Miles is boring, he's a boring clone of Peter, and he's never had a good story only ever is told how important he is by other black heroes.

Kamala is will be forgotten if that one editor leaves or falls from grace or Huma Abadeen falls from grace. Kamala would be better off as a weird, but nice girl who joins some local wannabe hero charity. Like they wear costume's and use their powers for fundraisers despite not being combat oriented. Do an arc where drunk henchmen fuck up Jersey and her group actually organizes a counter-defense. She cannot carry a book, they neutered the Islamic part of her character. It's just highschool lesbian bullshit with Kamala being a hero with no stakes, her mother knows.

Vision's daughter was a Tom King creation, the well was poisoned and then they made her a dyke. There are too many lesbians. When the third of every cast is gay then it means nothing, it's not representation it's fetishization. It's also blatant pandering, fujos don't actually care about gays, they jill off to the idea of really bland sex with hilariously violent ideas of what is kinky. Men just want to see two dykes play with each others boobs, watching women kiss each other is really not that hot, it's basically blue balling and threesomes are fucking terrible, it's a third wheel and usually one of the chicks is unhinged.

The New Wasp would be interesting, but a guy who fetishes brown lesbians wrote her book. She's not ruined, you could save her by having Janet admit to pushing Hank further and further in a nervous breakdown. Bring up how she played with Hank's mind by learning Hungarian. Have Ultron show interest in his older sister, have him comment on Viv's status as a memetic daughter of Vision and Wanda. GIARL Labs was terrible, never bring it up again beyond Nadia wanting to meet other autistic girls interested in science and then being weirded out because she's a touch starved super soldier. Bring up Tigra and the Avengers academy kids.
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Miles is just black peter, but with his parents alive.

Kamala is weird because she isn't a big hook, but she should really just be used as a normal nice 'n dorky teen heroine. Nothing wrong with that, but we know Twitter is a virus.

Viv Vision was initially kinda ok with the awkwardness and going through those tropes. Did they turn her into LGBT sth?

New Wasp has potential but I think you'd need to be a really good writer.

The Avengers Academy kids kinda went through Avengers Arena and then Avengers Undercover during the Hunger Games craze. They killed Mettle for no reason and uh

I'm not sure how to say this.

But Reptil spent so much time getting built in Marvel media and having prominent roles in the late 2000s and early 2010s. What the fuck happened? During the ENTIRE time in the 2010s when they were making a billion Avengers teams and pushing the X-books and F4 to the side, nobody thought of putting Reptil on a team?

Fucking hell they made Cannonball and Sunspot into Avengers, narratively relevant ones too for a number of years. Reptil kinda just popped up in a miniseries recently and the dude's just kinda fucking around like he's still the same age he was a decade ago.

It sucks to see someone that did get pushed by Marvel, relatively successfully, and then get forgotten about for quite a while. It's even funnier that they did it in a time where

  1. They wanted to push Avengers stuff and not f4/X-Men bc movie rights
  2. Wanted diversity
Reptil fits everything they want, the fuck is anyone complaining about here? It makes little sense to me because with a little effort, Reptil could easily be an A-lister by now. Dude has a power set practically made for merchandising, is a PoC, is distinctly associated with Avengers, and goddamn

Who doesn't love the idea of a superhero that shapeshift into dinosaurs?
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
watching women kiss each other is really not that hot, it's basically blue balling and threesomes are fucking terrible
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I was with you up until this part.

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What's Gary Frank working on next? Gimme more Squadron by the good team.
 
TheCosmicWarrior said:
Yeah it's super degenerate, overrated. It moves slow with navel gazing and "edgelord" shit like naked spider-monster vagina. There's nothing good about it. Read Nexus by Mike Baron, it's a far better sci-fi.
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Prehistoric Jazz said:
What's Gary Frank working on next? Gimme more Squadron by the good team.
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Currently he was doing that book with Geoff Johns out of Image.
 
The Annihilation saga is probably the only worthwhile comics Marvel has produced in the last twenty years. A shame that its finale, The Thanos Imperative, felt fairly rushed.

I also hate that the original Annihilation event has never been properly collected with Keith Giffen's Thanos work, which sets up a ton of the stuff used in the event.
 
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