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I never really got into Invincible.
Am I missing out?
It has its dumb moments as we've talked about but overall I enjoyed it.
I didn't get that far. As I mentioned, I stopped reading for a while after reaching this "the ecoterrorist was right!" bit. As for the sex scenes, what do you mean? While nothing explicit is shown, I believe that's an American thing where gore is okay but snu-snu is not. I haven't watched the cartoon nor I want to, as I read it's even more woke than the OG book.

As for Mark failing, it seems the writer wants him to job when faced against any Viltrumite for a LONG time, which sucks as it reminds me of Wakfu's "the protagonist party always fail" issue.
A couple of issues later they go back on that, the story arc is about Mark deciding he can do more than just punch dudes so he decides to free that guy despite everyone telling him not to. And then in issue 100, that ends up causing everything to go to shit and Mark learns that his might doesn't make right. And then three or so issues later, Nolan was crowned Viltrumite Emperor.

For the sex scenes, the joke is that Kirkman is explicitly calling the book family friendly, and then has gore later. It's about the hypocrisy of violence being okay but sex not in American media.
 
I see people falling for the the talk that soon, Amazing Spider Man #1000 will see the return of the Peter Parker/Mary Jane relationship but I doubt it. It's still the same editorial that have been there for the past twenty years, at most that will be teased and forgotten by the next issue or so. Not that OMD being magically undone would fix everything that's been a problem with the Spider-titles, but it would be an easy win in the goodwill department for them to just undo One More Day and move on.

It's weird how "pick and choose" Marvel editorial has been with fumbles of the past decade or so getting retconned and characters from the All New All Different-era just put into the trash bin and stuff like Nazi Cap and Sins Past were retconned but not One More Day, a story they didn't even finish.
 
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I see people falling for the the talk that soon, Amazing Spider Man #1000 will see the return of the Peter Parker/Mary Jane relationship but I doubt it. It's still the same editorial that have been there for the past twenty years, at most that will be teased and forgotten by the next issue or so. Not that OMD being magically undone would fix everything that's been a problem with the Spider-titles, but it would be an easy win in the goodwill department for them to just undo One More Day and move on.

It's weird how "pick and choose" Marvel editorial has been with fumbles of the past decade or so getting retconned and characters from the All New All Different-era just put into the trash bin and stuff like Nazi Cap and Sins Past were retconned but not One More Day, a story they didn't even finish.
Yeah, I'm banking we get some variation on either evil Obsorn or a totally independent Green Goblin for 1000. If not that, then we're gonna get some kind of synergy faggotry with the Punisher or the Hulk (or, God forbid, Doom) to ring in a new movie. Or, worst case scenario, we get an oversized issue with multiple stories allowing for both synergy and Goblin as well as a third "feel good" CURRENT YEAR mini-story where Peter goes around sucking off his DEI also-rans and telling the reader for the millionth time how much better brown/yellow/chick/buttsex Spider-Man is compared to the original formula.
 
Sorry in advance for the retarded question.

What is chat's KFs opinions on Absolute Batman?

I've heard about it recently and how it's single handedly holding the comic industry together, to the point where it's the Absolute Batman industry. (until you include manga, at which point it's the manga industry with guest cameo by capeshit.) So I looked it up, and first review talks about how working class Bruce vs billionaire Joker and crypto bros. That summary makes it sound like complete cringe and the same tier of trash that killed super hero books.

However, I considered getting it for my dad. He loves the Batman movies, but hasn't a read a comic since Tin Tin was popular. And "Batman as working class mechanic" without the baggage of decades of continuity could be neat.

I want to look up Absolute Wonder Woman and others too, see if they have enough quality to be worth reading.
 
I think Absolute Bats suffers from Current Year (TM) writing, trying too hard to be edgy for the sake of being edgy, but being the safe kind of edgy to boot, plus blatant politics (it bears repeating). Check the first issue online in the usual places for a taste. Supposedly, Absolute Martian Man hunter has an abstract art going for it at the very least.
 
Sorry in advance for the retarded question.

What is chat's KFs opinions on Absolute Batman?

I've heard about it recently and how it's single handedly holding the comic industry together, to the point where it's the Absolute Batman industry. (until you include manga, at which point it's the manga industry with guest cameo by capeshit.) So I looked it up, and first review talks about how working class Bruce vs billionaire Joker and crypto bros. That summary makes it sound like complete cringe and the same tier of trash that killed super hero books.

However, I considered getting it for my dad. He loves the Batman movies, but hasn't a read a comic since Tin Tin was popular. And "Batman as working class mechanic" without the baggage of decades of continuity could be neat.

I want to look up Absolute Wonder Woman and others too, see if they have enough quality to be worth reading.
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Xmen had the issue of trying to be 3 completely opposed things at once: 1: A comic about how "le racism against minorities is bad!", 2:Cool superhero powers, 3: Low to high-tier adventure!
Combining all three had the result of a bunch of guys who are constantly in dramas and complain how everyone is scared of them accidentally blowing up the world and how mutants are bad (while every other Marvel character looks away for reasons), and then the next chapter they travel through time to stop the Terminator future from happening. Mutant powers are all over the place and some are clear winners, and if that's the case, you're pretty much god, doubly so if you practice as it seems they have infinite improvement (if you're important enough to matter).

Mutants arent to be feared, meanwhile you have them being able to toss buildings at each other, sometimes causing Man of Steel level of collateral damage.

The minority groups analogy gets kind of lost when said minorities can sometimes kill entire an entire city just by existing like with that kid that Wolverine had to put down because his power just so happened to literally kill anyone near him, with no way to turn it off.

Unless that was meant to be an AIDS analogy, which....



Well, also One Piece was able to sell merchandise and had quite the sex appeal. Anime/Manga plots can get pretty fucking autistic themselves (The ending of MHA comes to mind as a recent example) because mangakas tend to range into "excentric but harmless" to "Absolutely deranged".

Dont get me started on the number of anime/manga that had a lot of potential and were killed at the crib because of corporate nonsense.

I guess what I am trying to say is that both western and japanese media have their own brand of retardation.
Someone mentioned Batman originally killing people and dropping them from buildings? Well you won't be prepared for Wonder Woman. Shit is crazy. Bondage bondage bondage.

Wonder Woman's "kryptonite" back on the day was being tied up by a man. It was one of the earliest examples in comic books of the "The Writer's poorly disguised fetish" trope.

That was crazy
ever read golden age Supes but I know silver age Superman is a dick and Lois and Jimmy go on some extremely wild adventures.

Silver Age Superman is a dick but, to be fair, so is everyone in the silver age. They were constantly doing mean spirited pranks on each other (like faking their own deaths to trick Superman into telling them his secret identity) and Superman wasnt afraid to use his powers to do some crazy shit as well. I cant recall them but if you are familiar with cartoons where most of the casts are dicks (not even villanous but just dicks), then you can imagine what to expect.

The writers didnt give a shit and were having fun, wanting YOU to join on the absurdity.

Some people say they would be Homelander but I want to believe most would be Silver Age superman, benevolent at their core but not afraid to use their powers for selfish things.
Question: Has the death of the second Robin ever been done in media? I believe there's that good movie that dealt with Jason's death and resurrection, but I believe this hasn't happened in any live action movie nor series, right?

Outside of the Forever and BnR, the Batman movies never really had any robins whatsoever. Batman V Superman did allude to Jason Todd's death with that sprayed on suit in the batcave

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and in the Snydercut of Justice League, they had Batman and Joker talk about it when the former promises that when this is done, he WILL kill him for what he did while the latter mocks him over "sending a bird boy to do a man's job". Its clear Jason Todd and his death were a thing (tho Red Hood wasnt, who knows if that wouldnt change had this universe stuck around), he just never appeared

Oddly enough, he has always been a contentious topic for the live action scene because the idea Batman would trust a little kid with fighting crime is crazy (but I guess the idea of a grown man fighting crime in a bat costume isnt?). The Nolanverse "cheat" by having Blake turn out to be named "Robin" *, sort of making him a combination of Dick, Jason and Tim.

And it doesnt seem like that will change anytime soon, even with The Batman or the Gunnverse.




* a "fix" to that scene, if you had to have it, was to have the dialogue being "You should use your full name, it rolls off the tongue well. Anyway, here are your documents, Mr Grayson"
 
Well the films have always been scared, because of the Adam West stuff, of letting Batman be his James Bond/Sherlock Holmes/Phantom true self.

“Clean thoughts, old chum.”

Batman should be an insufferable, brooding douchebag at the start of his career, but the trade-off is as his career progresses, yes you get super-criminals who aren’t in it for money, but Bruce gets friends and family, peers, a brother/protege/son who goes through the exact same trauma and doesn’t let it break him.

Dick, as we’ve discussed is the true third member of the Trinity, the kid who was raised by Batman and had Superman as an uncle, then grew up to be the best of both worlds, just like his mentors he had many father figures who helped make a good kid into a great man.

So naturally WB will never do it and they’ll double-standard objectify Nightwing, rather than ever admit Batman, Superman and Nightwing are the true kings of DC. While making movies that piss on Superman and remove his balls, making Batman never progress as a character and outright ignoring every Robin, in the films at least, they’re happy to spit on them in the comics. Tim is a fag, Jason is defanged, Damian is useless without Jon and every other member of the Batfamily is useless trash.
 
i've been reading transmetropolitan after someone on here said it was good, so thank you to whoever mentioned it. i like it a lot so far, i don't have a lot of experience with comics outside of the walking dead, which i love but i recognize it has a lot of flaws. i mostly got into twd because i liked the games when they first came out, so i'm glad to read another comic and actually really enjoy it
 
Outside of the Forever and BnR, the Batman movies never really had any robins whatsoever. Batman V Superman did allude to Jason Todd's death with that sprayed on suit in the batcave

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and in the Snydercut of Justice League, they had Batman and Joker talk about it when the former promises that when this is done, he WILL kill him for what he did while the latter mocks him over "sending a bird boy to do a man's job". Its clear Jason Todd and his death were a thing (tho Red Hood wasnt, who knows if that wouldnt change had this universe stuck around), he just never appeared

Oddly enough, he has always been a contentious topic for the live action scene because the idea Batman would trust a little kid with fighting crime is crazy (but I guess the idea of a grown man fighting crime in a bat costume isnt?). The Nolanverse "cheat" by having Blake turn out to be named "Robin" *, sort of making him a combination of Dick, Jason and Tim.
Snyder mentioned that Batfleck is supposed to be the era between Jason and Tim, when he's mourning the second Robin, still hasn't resolved things with Dick, and doesn't have his morle anchor. Rather than Tim, it's the Justice League who bring him back out of the darkness. Which is part of why I wish we'd seen the full Snyderverse, the dude was building up to something but unfortunately he put too much into the later movies that ended up not happening instead of making standalone movies that people could get into. No idea who would have played Dick, but it would have been interesting to see him in that version of DC.

Nolan had complete contempt for the concept of Robin. Before DKR came out, he mocked the idea of Robin but said he was open to Nightwing coming in. Because he thought Robin was too goofy for the story he was telling. I feel like it could have been interesting to tackle the idea of a kid sidekick in the Nolanverse 'realism' style Batman but I guess we'll never know

i've been reading transmetropolitan after someone on here said it was good, so thank you to whoever mentioned it. i like it a lot so far, i don't have a lot of experience with comics outside of the walking dead, which i love but i recognize it has a lot of flaws. i mostly got into twd because i liked the games when they first came out, so i'm glad to read another comic and actually really enjoy it
Might have been me but that's because I'm an egotist. If you check out Warren Ellis' stuff, just be warned that Transmetropolitan isn't really normal for him. He's one of those writers who actually varies his output, which I've always appreciated because it's usually pretty solid.
 
Follow up to what I said about Absolute Batman.

The later issues don't sound better. Supposedly the current storyline has people hyped because Wonder Woman is taller than Batman and girlbosses hard, with Bruce not knowing horses can kick, and has to get saved by WW. Yuck.

The other Absolute books don't sound great either. It goes to what @Newcomer 42 said about safe edgy and politics. Superman is an immigration story, Wonder Woman is from Hell, and Green Lantern is about race?

That said, the Mr Freeze, Killer Croc, and Joker story line reviews don't mention anything political.

If I do take the gamble, I'll let you know what I think.
 
Punisher MAX by Garth Ennis is one of my favorites of all time.
Same, it's also the only comic that i can think of recommending to someone who isn't into comic books at all, it's simply that good.

Also agree with all your Vertigo picks in the last paragraph as good, non-capeshit recommendations (Edit: Haven't read Fables).

Criminal looks really good, been meaning to check that one out for ages.
how verborragic it was. It was like being spammed with text and smaller panels fill to the brim with characters.
German indie comics elevated excessive text spam to an art form.
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From Peter Puck's "Rudi", paid out the ass for this book and it was worth every cent, funniest German comic in existence. Comparable to something like Franquin's "Gaston", or fucking Gomer Goof as he's called in english releases, though much more adult in the nature of its humor. 80% of the strips in this book would get any author cancelled in a heartbeat these days.
i've been reading transmetropolitan after someone on here said it was good, so thank you to whoever mentioned it. i like it a lot so far, i don't have a lot of experience with comics outside of the walking dead, which i love but i recognize it has a lot of flaws. i mostly got into twd because i liked the games when they first came out, so i'm glad to read another comic and actually really enjoy it
I read it long, long ago and thought it was super solid, worldbuilding is just crazy in it. The artwork by Robertson is fantastic (but when isn't it, apart from The Boys? Even there it's much more a colouring issue that makes it look shitty than Robertson's pencils), too, though i hate Spider Jerusalem's mismatched glasses/lenses with a passion from a character design standpoint. Ellis goes too hard into the HST gonzo journalism (no wonder, Spider Jerusalem is basically HST of the future) paint in some issues but the overall story kept me engaged until the very end.
 
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I think Absolute Bats suffers from Current Year (TM) writing, trying too hard to be edgy for the sake of being edgy, but being the safe kind of edgy to boot, plus blatant politics (it bears repeating). Check the first issue online in the usual places for a taste. Supposedly, Absolute Martian Man hunter has an abstract art going for it at the very least.
Scottt Snyder is a coward and extremely safe writer for all the grotesque shit he puts into his stories. The fact he dominated the last two decades of bat book is just as bad as leftist like Kelly Sue, cause he was the faggot that propped them up with his middling writing.
 
Dick, as we’ve discussed is the true third member of the Trinity, the kid who was raised by Batman and had Superman as an uncle, then grew up to be the best of both worlds, just like his mentors he had many father figures who helped make a good kid into a great man.
That tracks from a structural point of view. Wonder Woman had been an outlier at DC that largely stayed in publication because the rights would revert to the Marston estate is they failed to publish it at least quarterly, hence the erratic publishing schedule all the way into the 70s. She didn't cross over like Superman and Batman did on the regular in World's Finest after #71. Her book was never a prestige title in the pre-Crisis days, even after the television show raised its profile. The Superman/Batman/WW trinity emerged post-Crisis after George Perez made her title a respectable one. But if you look at it from a historical context, Dick is the true third member.

Curiously, the modern trinity may have had its origin in "For The Man Who Has Everything" because Diana had a large role in that story.

Tim is a fag, Jason is defanged, Damian is useless without Jon and every other member of the Batfamily is useless trash.
I find it interesting what calculus DC was using when they made the decision to reveal Tim as bisexual (same applies to Jon Kent). My read is that they were angling for a female and queer audience to supplement the one they had, assuming that the existing audience would be on board with it. Unfortunately, many fans (such as myself) nope-d out ASAP and the new "modern audience" never showed up in the numbers necessary to make the title viable. Hence DC cancelled Tim Drake: Robin after ten issues.

I even see the larger issue where the various "houses" in the DCU are completely bloated with redundant characters. Batman, Superman, and Flash are the worst offenders. At least Green Lantern has the excuse since being a Lantern is a career, but even having nine human lanterns (including Alan Scott), Teen Lantern, and even Jade stretches credulity to its breaking point.
 
Mutants arent to be feared, meanwhile you have them being able to toss buildings at each other, sometimes causing Man of Steel level of collateral damage.

The minority groups analogy gets kind of lost when said minorities can sometimes kill entire an entire city just by existing like with that kid that Wolverine had to put down because his power just so happened to literally kill anyone near him, with no way to turn it off.

Unless that was meant to be an AIDS analogy, which....
When your mutant power lets you control the weather enough to cause electrical storms on command, you should be expected to be feared.


Oddly enough, he has always been a contentious topic for the live action scene because the idea Batman would trust a little kid with fighting crime is crazy (but I guess the idea of a grown man fighting crime in a bat costume isnt?). The Nolanverse "cheat" by having Blake turn out to be named "Robin" *, sort of making him a combination of Dick, Jason and Tim.
Robin doesn't make too much sense in a gritty setting, at least the kid version. If he had a power armor or was trained to a young adult age, it would be more palatable. The Batman TAS show did just that IIRC.

Well the films have always been scared, because of the Adam West stuff, of letting Batman be his James Bond/Sherlock Holmes/Phantom true self.

“Clean thoughts, old chum.”

Batman should be an insufferable, brooding douchebag at the start of his career, but the trade-off is as his career progresses, yes you get super-criminals who aren’t in it for money, but Bruce gets friends and family, peers, a brother/protege/son who goes through the exact same trauma and doesn’t let it break him.
I wish we got a positive Batman today instead of an edgy or a broody one. Or worse, a retard Batman like the 2020s movie one.

Wonder Woman is from Hell,
And stole Guts' sword from Berserk.

That said, the Mr Freeze, Killer Croc, and Joker story line reviews don't mention anything political.
No, these are not political. The political bit is the stereotype of rich family guys all wearing animal masks and going out randomly killing poor people, and being so evil they kill an Italian mob stereotype for the lulz. The comic has more flaws such as Bats' proportions being inane, his randomly shooting people's faces full of buckshot and expecting them to survive, the blatant Venom (the Spiderman one) copy, everything looking like shit, randomly pozzing characters, etc.


Scottt Snyder is a coward and extremely safe writer for all the grotesque shit he puts into his stories. The fact he dominated the last two decades of bat book is just as bad as leftist like Kelly Sue, cause he was the faggot that propped them up with his middling writing.
Haven't read these two so I can't say.

I find it interesting what calculus DC was using when they made the decision to reveal Tim as bisexual
It was the start of the gayification. The commies are still trying to replace Supes and Bats for black, lame and gay versions of these two, but they haven't suceeded yet. They made Supes' kid gay and lame though. Not sure about Damian.
 
seemingly forgetting about a previous Viltrumite woman villain that kicked his ass

Well, that and raped him

legit wonder if the animated series will have the guts to adapt that.
That guy believed that genociding humanity to save the planet was okay, and he makes Las Vegas disappear by fusion bombs or something that disintegrates everything, forcing the government to replace the empty sace with a solar panel farm, which is seemingly good because of the clean energy it gives.

Its funny, I can accept super powered aliens that look nearly identical to humans who can tank explosions and fly super fast among the many other stupid things in this setting.

But shit like the "clean energy" stuff is where I legit drew the line.

Suspense of disbelief is an amazing thing, we can accept far more impossible things but accepting solar energy being effective at being a power source when a single nuclear reactor can produce more energy, cleanly mind you, than a thousand solar farms? Nu-huu, drawing the line here nigger.

I think its all a result of personal experiences. We know, for example, Viltrumites cant exist but they can make for a good story. However, we know solar farming is absolutely stupid when it comes to being an effective energy source in comparison to its competition so when a story throws that at us, our brain rejects it because it knows thats a load of BS.
At that point I wasn't sure whether he was suffering from brain damage or if the author was going into full lefty rant, but either way, the writing got worse for sure. The comic gets worse after that supposedly.

Robert Kirkmann, from what I have noticed from his writings, tend to not know when to end a story, to the point it just keeps going to the point you will lose interest sooner or later.

For example, TWD could have ended with the All Out War but instead it went on and introduced the retarded Whisperers (apparently these mf have been spending YEARS living among the dead wearing leatherface masks and this somehow didnt get them all killed? There is no way that strategy would have worked for YEARS.) and I kind of quit there but from what I heard, the series just kind of ends abrutly, to the point it begs the question is this was the plan or not.
Dick, as we’ve discussed is the true third member of the Trinity, the kid who was raised by Batman and had Superman as an uncle, then grew up to be the best of both worlds, just like his mentors he had many father figures who helped make a good kid into a great man.

Dick is usually seen by many in universe as Batman "perfected", all the pros and nearly none of the cons and it was evidence that Bruce adopting and training him was indeed for the best.

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Also, that is rich coming from the lady that came from a warrior society that indocrinated her into fighting the moment she could crawl.
Batman should be an insufferable, brooding douchebag at the start of his career, but the trade-off is as his career progresses, yes you get super-criminals who aren’t in it for money, but Bruce gets friends and family, peers, a brother/protege/son who goes through the exact same trauma and doesn’t let it break him.

The fucked up thing is that we did get this with the original batman movie series, from Batman 89 to Batman and Robin, the problem is that the transition from one "phase" into the other was sudden and inconsistent, constantly going for either too much edge and brooding to too much bright colorful campyness.

Besides, even they got cold feet and had Dick as an older teen already, which ironically kind of worked against the character because a lot of his complaining came off as very whiny, which would have been OK if he was an angry kid that needed guidance but as a 17 year obviously played by a man in his late 20's? It came off as just bitching.
 
I'd like to see the Green Lantern Corps book drop everyone except Guy, John, & Kilowog.

I think we're going to see several mini arcs involving the other lantern corps. (Red, yellow, blue) Coming up.
 
It was the start of the gayification. The commies are still trying to replace Supes and Bats for black, lame and gay versions of these two, but they haven't suceeded yet. They made Supes' kid gay and lame though. Not sure about Damian.
Suffice it to say that they will never succeed in any meaningful way because there was never any demand for it and a few (thousand) loud redditors will not change that fact. DC pretty much stepped on every landmine when it came to Jon Kent. Not only did they enrage Super Sons fans, they incurred the wrath of Legion of Super-Heroes fans by a) rebooting it AGAIN, and b) having Jon headline it and get lost in the cast of dozens with no voice other than Bendis' signature quippy dialogue. Saturn Girl's appearance in DC Rebirth and role in Doomsday Clock pointed to a return of the Retroboot Legion. Lo and behold, the Bendis Legion gets cancelled after twelve issues, some Future State issues, and a Justice League vs Legion of Super-Heroes miniseries that went under the radar.

Speaking of Future State--that was a mess in itself, since it DC hastily salvaged it from the wreckage Dan DiDio's 5G plans, which spawned other replacement legacies like Yara Flor and Jace Fox. DC under Daniel Cherry was positioning Jon to assume the mantle from his father. They sent out the press release of him coming out, had Tom Taylor take a couple interviews, and used variant cover incentives to fluff up the numbers. The problem? Interest rapidly dwindled once the news cycle ended. Additionally, the reveal also made good faith criticism exceptionally more difficult and thus hardened preexisting attitudes towards him. Clark's return after he liberated War World was the second kryptonite bullet permanently crippled Jon's tenure as "Superman" (a title that Clark give him, not one he earned on his own merit) as who need New Coke when you can have Classic?

Dark Crisis made him ineffectual, especially when Black Adam brutally called him out for not being realdy. Absolute Power turned him into little more than a living weapon for Amanda Waller and the Brainiac Queen to cut loose on the heroes. Other creators like Joshua Williamson kept him out of the "House of Brainiac" event while Phillip Kennedy Johnson did sparingly--with Jon's role in Adventures of Superman: The Book of El was an off-panel defeat at the hands of Kryl-Ux so it was not a dignified one. The real death blow to me was how DC KO sidelined him while Damian got to participate. If you read the previews of The Kids Are All Fight, it's clear that Donna Troy and Arsenal don't view him as an equal. The get no respect from the kids as they are openly skeptical of his claim to the Superman name with Lian Harper outright calling him the Nepo-Superman. So if the story wasn't taking him seriously in those first four pages, then I won't either. Hence why I skipped the book.

Now we have Superboy-Prime, a former Geoff Johns punching bag, taking over the flagship Superman title why Clark is away. Meanwhile, time travel shenanigans will bring Kid Jon to the present and getting some decent social media buzz, but Teen Jon? Dropped in the late-stage New Titans title, which will sputter out well before #50, with other largely ignored characters like Yara Flor and Stephanie Brown. Teen Jon's singular purpose seems to be for humiliation these days with (again) a small base of noisy redditors and overlooked DC Go-exclusive webtoon to show for it.

Let's call it what it is: abuse. DC took something fun and innocent and destroyed it for ideology,
 
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