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Humble Architect said:
No kill rules are retarded relics of the Comic Code Authority and outside Daredevil’s are always ridiculous, especially for a medium that hasn’t been for kids in decades. At least Matt’s has a genuine point and is written as the chain it is. Batman’s is retarded and for all his edge and in-universe hype, he comes off really pathetic for not even trying to end the misery machine. Absolute gets that one bonus I’ll grant it. He shouldn’t be killing everyone but Black Mask did deserve the ears through the head.

Writers insisting on focusing on them doesn’t help. That isn’t to say the opposite is preferable and Zack Snyder’s approach is retarded for it, just like the Punisher/Authority/90s “KILL THEM ALL TO THE DEATH,” approach.

Nuance. Superman doesn’t have one, Captain America doesn’t and they’re paragons. It’s the coastal mindset that’s the reason prisons are overflowing. Sometimes someone is in-fact an evil piece of shit who deserves to die. It’s not relative, it’s not fixable, some things are immutable. Black and white, good and evil. You can kill garbage and still be a moral, upstanding person. Superman sure as shit isn’t losing sleep over killing/using lethal force with intent to kill against Brainiac, Mongul, Dracula, Henshaw, Eradicator, Parasite, Doomsday, Prime, Zod, Darkseid and even Lex a few times pre-N52. He was fucked up with his first kills (the three Kryptonians) as anyone should be. But he didn’t suddenly stop being the man his parents raised him to be.

Think I’m exaggerating? They did a redemption arc for Norman “I killed the girl and still get boners from it” Osborn.
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Don’t even get me started on Marvel’s redemption of Norman Osborn…

Unrelated but still a Marvel comic topic, I read the One Nation Under Doom series, and up until the part where it’s revealed Doom is powering his magic with the life force of Latverians, I thought it was good! Of course, they HAD to put in a reason why Doom was still evil and corrupt, despite the fact that Doom should be a benevolent leader of his people, and the fact that there’s hundreds of thousands of super-powered criminals he could have rounded up and used for their life force instead!!!
 
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Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
The real reason why no kill rules are a thing in comics is so the books can still have villains to use
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imagine if batman killed the joker and then the writers had to make another character who was essentially the joker and then you repeated this ad nauseum. making endless goons to kill is one thing, but a rogues gallery exists for a reason
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
The real reason why no kill rules are a thing in comics is so the books can still have villains to use
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And that was fine, when the threat of a reboot wasn’t a constant and the cast hadn’t bloated to absurdity.

Now? It’d be the best thing ever. Bats finally does it, no Elseworld, no copout, put the clown on ice for a bit and let the money come in from something finally happening.
DeadwastePrime said:
imagine if batman killed the joker and then the writers had to make another character who was essentially the joker and then you repeated this ad nauseum. making endless goons to kill is one thing, but a rogues gallery exists for a reason
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We have hundreds of “essentially Jokers” now.
 
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Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
How much of it is there and is it collected well?
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As far as I can tell it's pretty popular and is still ongoing. A lot of the older stuff is collected in TP volumes dating back to it's very first release so it shouldn't be hard to find at all. The series has an overarching plot but it's mainly about the adventures of a rabbit samurai and his rotating cast of side characters.
 
Humble Architect said:
Now? It’d be the best thing ever. Bats finally does it, no Elseworld, no copout, put the clown on ice for a bit and let the money come in from something finally happening.
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Instead, Bane neck-broke Alfred in a very OOC way and Alf is still stuck dead for now... Until the next reboot/retcon.
 
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DeadwastePrime said:
imagine if batman killed the joker and then the writers had to make another character who was essentially the joker and then you repeated this ad nauseum. making endless goons to kill is one thing, but a rogues gallery exists for a reason
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In a sense I agree, but also… Comic book stories can and should end at some point, IMO. I believe that’s one of the reasons manga outperforms western comics, in fact! They did something similar with Spider-Man: Life Story, except that was a six-issue limited series that jumped ahead to different points in his life each issue. If they wrote Batman to be aging in relative real-time (or as best they could given writing/ publishing/drawing constraints), and let the characters grow and possibly die, I think a lot more people would give a shit about DC and Marvel…


(I know they wanna keep these stories going forever because money and new reader turnover, but a man can dream, right?)
 
Blazeuser56 said:
Didn't Osborn kill Peter and MJ's baby or something ? (iirc the baby was Mayday Parker)

People like to bring up Gwen's death but killing a baby is worse imo
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Far as I know he kidnapped their kid in the 90’s I think? And then it was just never addressed or brought up again (I could be mistaken, remembering anything from 90’s Spidey is a daunting task 😂)
 
Fartificial Insmelligence said:
Far as I know he kidnapped their kid in the 90’s I think? And then it was just never addressed or brought up again (I could be mistaken, remembering anything from 90’s Spidey is a daunting task 😂)
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They addressed it a few years later but only to give a middle finger to fans. Baby May was clearly stolen in Amazing Spider-man 418, replaced with something so that MJ would think the baby was stillborn. Utter silence for two years, when John Byrne took over the book. He didn't write or draw one single good thing during his 90s run. In ASM 441, the woman that stole baby May (revealed to have been working for Norman the entire time), Alison Mongrain, was fatally injured by the Molten Man (under the mind control of Norman). Seconds before dying, Mongrain choked out enough words to tell MJ that 'May' was still alive.

Peter, in parallel to the above action, breaks into one of Norman's safehouses to find his beloved ... Aunt May still alive. Somehow, Norman had replaced the real Aunt May with a random actress. She was such a good actress that she was able to convince Peter she was the real thing, even 'revealing' that 'she' always knew he was Spider-man, before dying at the end of what was now a worthless story (ASM 400).

After that, the official word was that baby May was never stolen and died during birth, even though we clearly were shown something else.

Baby May remains at large.
 
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