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Water-T said:
UGH. I went through all 80 issues of King's Batman run, and he's recycled the tediously long Knightfall saga from the 90s into an EVEN LONGER version of it.
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Knightfall was actually fun. Bane tells you his plan in the first issue and you get to watch as it plays out. Each issue of Knightfall was interesting in its own right, containing villain stories that are second to none. For all the praise Hush gets, Knightfall did everything Hush did, decades earlier, and better.

Knightquest and Knightsend dragged, but damn was Knightfall a fine story.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Both Bane and Jean Paul Valley should've died in Knightfall. Neither of them served much of a purpose after the saga (although I did like Bane in Secret Six... but that was after like twenty years of shit stories with him).
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Like a lot of Batman villains, Bane and Azrael suffer from writers being completely unwilling to do anything new with them. It’s a shame because it’s not as if the Joker was the character he is today from the start. It was decades of different writers experimenting with different things. You don’t really see that much with other Batman villains.
 
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I miss early Ditko/80s Peter. The wise-cracking and (mostly) emotionally stable Peter appearing in the movies and video game just doesn't feel right.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Both Bane and Jean Paul Valley should've died in Knightfall. Neither of them served much of a purpose after the saga (although I did like Bane in Secret Six... but that was after like twenty years of shit stories with him).
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I am okay with Jean Paul Valley continuing to exist so that he can be trotted out periodically to remind us how stupid the '90s could be. Or maybe how stupid DC readers could be with fads, given I'm pretty sure Azrael was made to make fun of early 90s xxxtreme stuff then people wanted more of him.
 
TchPiKinmup said:
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“Remember six months ago when I mentioned that comic piracy numbers were easily 20x legitimate buyers and it was a real problem? Sometime yesterday a bunch of other comic pros looked closer, saw the numbers and the cold chill of it really hit. Yup.”
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This guy is Jim Zub, a comic book writer that is currently huffing his own farts over the issue of digital piracy.

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Creators and Critics Talk Comic Book Piracy and Its Effects

Yesterday, Jude Terror wrote a piece quoting Donny Cates on comics piracy. But it has become quite the conversation (again) on social media between comic
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The issue is the biggest story of the day, with various creators coming out and decrying piracy and those that practice it. Most are arguing that they are losing sales, some at tremendous numbers based on the download counts they see on sites.
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1. Maybe it's because you guys charge like 4 bucks for 25 pages which are like 30 minutes worth of entertainment, that's bonkers. Though, that's especially because of low sales. Overpricing, piracy and low readership are selfsustaining problems and a vicious cycle.
2. Creators don't get their personal income directly from sales. Except the cottage industry of indie comics, books, games etc., yeah in this case, don't pirate. He even admits the publishers pay starvation wages to artists.
3. It's far from reality to assume everyone who pirated something would've bought it without the option of piracy.
4. Yeah, someone on the internet dared to LOOK at a thing and you guys didn't squeeze profit out of their eyeballs, let's just sue people for reading something.
 
Looking to get the Preacher omnibus, Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, FM' Daredevil, and Shazam. Oh and also Doomsday Clock.

What's a good starting point for Shazam in specific?
 
HeyYou said:
I miss early Ditko/80s Peter. The wise-cracking and (mostly) emotionally stable Peter appearing in the movies and video game just doesn't feel right.
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Spider-Man was probably even goofier back in the actual Ditko days, given the pranks and shit he'd pull on Human Torch.

But, yeah, all the adaptions really miss the mark on how neurotic and short-fused Peter can be. Speaking of those eras, Amazing Fantasy #15 through to the ASM Annual #21 (the marriage annual) is easily my favorite comic saga. There's a couple of rough patches through those 25 years (mostly in Marvel Team-Up) but I'd say 90% of it is enjoyable (if you like standard superhero stuff, anyway).
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Spider-Man was probably even goofier back in the actual Ditko days, given the pranks and shit he'd pull on Human Torch.

But, yeah, all the adaptions really miss the mark on how neurotic and short-fused Peter can be. Speaking of those eras, Amazing Fantasy #15 through to the ASM Annual #21 (the marriage annual) is easily my favorite comic saga. There's a couple of rough patches through those 25 years (mostly in Marvel Team-Up) but I'd say 90% of it is enjoyable (if you like standard superhero stuff, anyway).
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It's crazy to me that very few adaptations have gotten right that there's a huge difference between Peter and Spidey's joke style. They always seem to forget that more often than not, Peter was extremely sardonic and caustic at times. And even as Spider-Man, they often forget that he's supposed to be a shit-talker to demoralize his enemies, which is how we get dumb "I don't think you're the Avengers" jokes. At least the PS4 game (mostly) got that right.

Personally, I always wonder why they don't adapt his neurotic tendencies and correctly adapt Mary Jane's insecurities and backstory. Making a serious Spider-Man adaptation in the modern day isn't really hard, just make it about how a shitty childhood and mental issues can affect people growing up, and then have it go on to show that two people can help each other overcome those things. You'd think the new movies could really address a modern day version of bullying, too, if Peter has to be in high school again, but instead I have a hard time believing Peter was ever unpopular and awkward with how Homecoming went about things.

My dream adaptation of Spider-Man would be a TV show chronicling from Gwen Stacy's death to Peter and MJ's wedding. It is a surprisingly good era of storytelling and it wouldn't be hard to incorporate themes of nostalgia, growing up, and moving on from the past.
 
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Zaragoza said:
Looking to get the Preacher omnibus, Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, FM' Daredevil, and Shazam. Oh and also Doomsday Clock.

What's a good starting point for Shazam in specific?
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Read the 90's Graphic Novel and then ongoing "The Power of Shazam!", one of the best comics of the decade, also obligatory fuck you, use the real name.
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Twinkletard said:
King has this weird problem deconstructing his main characters for 90% of the story, to the point where there's nothing left and the reader no longer has any respect for that character. All his male characters are wimps and his female characters are all mommies taking care of the male baby leads.
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Look man Tom King doesnt need weirdos on the internet kink shaming him
 
I just read the the old Cyberfrog 5 issue mini series. I had no idea how violent that motherfucker was. Ethan should have given us that instead what we got with the the new series, but keep the new art style.
 
sKr0n said:
Read the 90's Graphic Novel and then ongoing "The Power of Shazam!", one of the best comics of the decade, also obligatory fuck you, use the real name.
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You are absolutely correct. Power of Shazam! is one of the best representations of Captain Marvel. It's miles better than anything that has Geoff Johns has come up with his reimaginings. If you end up reading the current, canon version of the character, you will find someone named Shazam, who has a rainbow of friends that also all have the exact same shared powers, each belonging to their own unique demographic. I didn't see the movie because it looked like Johns' obnoxious, soulless version rather than the Big Red Cheese as he should be.

Jeff Smith (creator of Bone) did a fun miniseries, The Monster Society of Evil. It's aimed for a younger audience but was still pretty great.

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TchPiKinmup said:
You are absolutely correct. Power of Shazam! is one of the best representations of Captain Marvel. It's miles better than anything that has Geoff Johns has come up with his reimaginings. If you end up reading the current, canon version of the character, you will find someone named Shazam, who has a rainbow of friends that also all have the exact same shared powers, each belonging to their own unique demographic. I didn't see the movie because it looked like Johns' obnoxious, soulless version rather than the Big Red Cheese as he should be.

Jeff Smith (creator of Bone) did a fun miniseries, The Monster Society of Evil. It's aimed for a younger audience but was still pretty great.

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I was going to add to stay away from John's stuff despite what reddit will tell you but I thought that might come off with too much of a chip on my shoulder.

However The Marvels story throughout JSA/Infinite Crisis/52 that Johns wrote/co-wrote is radical.
 
I can't agree on the latter stuff as it resulted in that awful Judd Winick stuff but John's JSA was pretty great for his whole run. Stars and STRIPE was fun for a while, too.
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Johns' work was all better before he got too much authority. The Rainbow Lantern Corps was the breaking point for me.
 
I’m not too deep into Geoff Johns lore as I only jumped onto DC seriously in the last few years. I thoroughly enjoyed DC Universe Rebirth and Doomsday Clock so far. He seems to really, really love DC lore and seems to really want people to like his stories.

Like I said, I’m not that deep enough into his stuff to levy any deep criticisms at it, but I enjoy what I’ve read so far.
 
I personally like Geoff Johns a lot, and thoroughly enjoyed his Green Lantern stuff, but I've understood that a lot of people hate him. I know one of the main sources of criticism levied against him is his obsession with the original heroes, going out of his way to bring back Hal Jordan as Green Lantern and Barry Allen as The Flash, thereby sidelining Kyle Rayner and Wally West (though I think Kyle Rayner wasn't sidelined that much and still had a lot to do in the newer Green Lantern stuff. Wally West, on the other hand ... But I can't blame all that nonsense of Johns).
 
LolRaccoon said:
I've been reading through the Hellboy comics for the first time and I've been really enjoying them. I've always like Mike Mignola's art style but I never knew he was writing was stellar too.
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Yeah most of those Hellboy comics are peak, they are either really sombre/introspective stories or pulp fun, great stuff, I would totally recommend some of the deeper reading with B.P.R.D.
 
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