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Oh yeah, I forgot the Kindred arc finally ended. And, I imagine most writers moving forward will also forget about it. Despite how long it went on and giving the impression it was a big deal, I'm struggling to think of anything weighty that happened during it. And the few things I can think of, have nothing to do with the actual Kindred stuff.

Sure, there were some retcons, but they weren't really relevant. Norman being involved with Mephisto is dumb and I can't imagine any other writer will do anything with it and it'll just be forgotten. I certainly don't mind Sins Past was retconned, but I'd argue it was universally recognized as a bad story, which is why it barely got referenced to begin with. The final Kindred(s) fight was bad and amounted to nothing. Peter couldn't do a thing against them, but apparently Harry Osborn on a glider throwing a few pumpkin bombs was their ultimate weakness. The fight just also...stopped. And, really, that's a good summary for Spencer's run. It was going, then it wasn't, now let's follow Ben Reily.
 
Cyber Bowling said:
Oh yeah, I forgot the Kindred arc finally ended. And, I imagine most writers moving forward will also forget about it. Despite how long it went on and giving the impression it was a big deal, I'm struggling to think of anything weighty that happened during it. And the few things I can think of, have nothing to do with the actual Kindred stuff.

Sure, there were some retcons, but they weren't really relevant. Norman being involved with Mephisto is dumb and I can't imagine any other writer will do anything with it and it'll just be forgotten. I certainly don't mind Sins Past was retconned, but I'd argue it was universally recognized as a bad story, which is why it barely got referenced to begin with. The final Kindred(s) fight was bad and amounted to nothing. Peter couldn't do a thing against them, but apparently Harry Osborn on a glider throwing a few pumpkin bombs was their ultimate weakness. The fight just also...stopped. And, really, that's a good summary for Spencer's run. It was going, then it wasn't, now let's follow Ben Reily.
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i feel like we're pretty close to mephisto fatigue in the similar sense that we went through thanos fatigue a few years back.

feels like they coulda just had the whole "One More Day" thing undone and then just had everyone that owed SPidey a favor on standby to heal Aunt May.


pretty sure Elixer, the X-Man with OMEGA LEVEL HEALING POWERS could be asked a favor by Spidey by way of Wolverine or Beast.

Nick Spencer undoing OMD would make him insanely beloved regardless of his future work output. it's so disheartening to read classic spidey and see the MJ/Spidey marriage. :sad:
 
King Koalemos said:
i feel like we're pretty close to mephisto fatigue in the similar sense that we went through thanos fatigue a few years back.

feels like they coulda just had the whole "One More Day" thing undone and then just had everyone that owed SPidey a favor on standby to heal Aunt May.


pretty sure Elixer, the X-Man with OMEGA LEVEL HEALING POWERS could be asked a favor by Spidey by way of Wolverine or Beast.

Nick Spencer undoing OMD would make him insanely beloved regardless of his future work output. it's so disheartening to read classic spidey and see the MJ/Spidey marriage. :(
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The frustrating thing is it seemed like Spencer was leading up to undoing OMD, but suddenly veered at the last minute to undo Sins Past instead and never actually touch on OMD. This might be tinfoil hat territory, but it feels like there was some kind of executive meddling that made them switch gears. Either that or Spencer just wanted a "gotcha" moment.

While I'd obviously want it undone, I'd even be happy with them at least addressing it. Spencer is at least pushing the Peter/MJ romance again, but does them selling their marriage mean they can never get married again? Would it void the deal and May dies? Can they just get married once May inevitably kicks it? I don't even know what his endgame was supposed to be, because Kindred was able to apparently kill and bring Spider-Man back to life a bunch during their first big conflict, but then in the final fight the stakes seemed to be if Peter could beat the Kindred(s). And if Norman made a deal with Mephisto, why not use him as an agent instead of turning the sineater on him?

It feels like the second half of the story was supposed to go in a completely different direction, but then they had to change it at the last minute, which left them scrambling to come up with content. The end result was a lot of meaningless things that Marvel could hype up, like Sinister War which had absolutely 0 impact on anything and was pretty easily resolved in a few panels, with Spider-Man really not doing anything special.
 
Cyber Bowling said:
The frustrating thing is it seemed like Spencer was leading up to undoing OMD, but suddenly veered at the last minute to undo Sins Past instead and never actually touch on OMD. This might be tinfoil hat territory, but it feels like there was some kind of executive meddling that made them switch gears. Either that or Spencer just wanted a "gotcha" moment.

While I'd obviously want it undone, I'd even be happy with them at least addressing it. Spencer is at least pushing the Peter/MJ romance again, but does them selling their marriage mean they can never get married again? Would it void the deal and May dies? Can they just get married once May inevitably kicks it? I don't even know what his endgame was supposed to be, because Kindred was able to apparently kill and bring Spider-Man back to life a bunch during their first big conflict, but then in the final fight the stakes seemed to be if Peter could beat the Kindred(s). And if Norman made a deal with Mephisto, why not use him as an agent instead of turning the sineater on him?

It feels like the second half of the story was supposed to go in a completely different direction, but then they had to change it at the last minute, which left them scrambling to come up with content. The end result was a lot of meaningless things that Marvel could hype up, like Sinister War which had absolutely 0 impact on anything and was pretty easily resolved in a few panels, with Spider-Man really not doing anything special.
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i'm 90% sure it was the former bc we used wayy too much MJ and it had a ton of Mephisto and the implication that something happened to Peter's soul. (Which could be an hell of a plot point in itself).

I mean, sure it explained the meme-tier shit story with the clone kids and all that but man I wanna just hope that they'll finish this shit.


Also, Peter putting his hands on the two Kindreds at the end of the arc and going "if you had a mother, she would have loved you" kinda was a good sappy moment. I miss those. Spidey went through a whole Sinister War for all this shit. The stakes were high as fuck, and I hope the cap of Spencer's run is addressing OMD.
 
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I was looking up an event from Marvel and came across this character called Malice. Age kicked her right in the face.
 
I am extremely interested in investing in *physical* goods- I.E. gold, silver, fine art, cash, etc.

To this end, I want to put some comic books I think will increase in value in my safe deposit box- so I went ahead and bought the hardcover copy of Batman: The Three Jokers. it's a very new release I know- but if The Killing Joke is anything to go by this might be worth something in a decade or so. The problem is I have the hardcover edition. Would keeping each individual paperback edition in a sealed container be a better way to go about this?
 
♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️ said:
I am extremely interested in investing in *physical* goods- I.E. gold, silver, fine art, cash, etc.

To this end, I want to put some comic books I think will increase in value in my safe deposit box- so I went ahead and bought the hardcover copy of Batman: The Three Jokers. it's a very new release I know- but if The Killing Joke is anything to go by this might be worth something in a decade or so. The problem is I have the hardcover edition. Would keeping each individual paperback edition in a sealed container be a better way to go about this?
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No new comics will ever be worth anything because they are printed in much higher quantities than they're actually bought.

The only reason older comics are worth anything is due to their relative scarcity.

Also, current year Marvel and DC is crap so even if it was extremely scarce, there still wouldn't anyone who actually wanted it, so despite being rare, it would have no value.
 
PrincessHomura said:
No new comics will ever be worth anything because they are printed in much higher quantities than they're actually bought.

The only reason older comics are worth anything is due to their relative scarcity.

Also, current year Marvel and DC is crap so even if it was extremely scarce, there still wouldn't anyone who actually wanted it, so despite being rare, it would have no value.
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My Alma Matter actually invited me to a group of investors who get discounts on Fine Art (ex. OG Basquit or Andy Worhol paintings). Would it make more sense to try and put those kinds of "physical goods" in my safe deposit box- and if not, what vintage comics do you think might have some value in 10-20 years time?
 
♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️ said:
My Alma Matter actually invited me to a group of investors who get discounts on Fine Art (ex. OG Basquit or Andy Worhol paintings). Would it make more sense to try and put those kinds of "physical goods" in my safe deposit box- and if not, what vintage comics do you think might have some value in 10-20 years time?
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Comics aren't a good investment. Technically, there are some comics that will probably increase in value over the next 10 or 20 years, but we're talking very, very small increments, not anything you can cash out on. The people who typically make money from comics are generally the ones flipping comics to collectors who think they'll have some value, selling "big" issues for $50 to $100ish.

Traditional art is a much safer bet, but, and I mean this in the kindest way possible, if you're turning to Kiwifarms for investment advice, you might want to rethink things and schedule an appointment with someone who really knows what they're doing.
 
♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️ said:
My Alma Matter actually invited me to a group of investors who get discounts on Fine Art (ex. OG Basquit or Andy Worhol paintings). Would it make more sense to try and put those kinds of "physical goods" in my safe deposit box- and if not, what vintage comics do you think might have some value in 10-20 years time?
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If you can find some old Jack Kirby or Steve Ditko comics from the 60s for cover price at a garage sale , you can put those in a safe deposit box. Otherwise, modern comics get hot for a while, like when someone does a TV series adaptation, but then the value drops. Modern Comics are a terrible way to make money. Buy what you like, keep it if you want, and if you have something that people are willing to pay big bucks for 20 years, congrats - you got lucky. You'll be much happier in the long run with a collection of comics you actually enjoy reading than long boxes full of crap you bought because you thought you were going to flip it for big bucks at some point.
 
Cyber Bowling said:
Comics aren't a good investment. Technically, there are some comics that will probably increase in value over the next 10 or 20 years, but we're talking very, very small increments, not anything you can cash out on. The people who typically make money from comics are generally the ones flipping comics to collectors who think they'll have some value, selling "big" issues for $50 to $100ish.

Traditional art is a much safer bet, but, and I mean this in the kindest way possible, if you're turning to Kiwifarms for investment advice, you might want to rethink things and schedule an appointment with someone who really knows what they're doing.
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A "financial expert" is going to fuck me over for the sake of their own portfolio or their hedge fund- just like how my elderly parents lost every last penny they had saved for retirement thanks to the 2008 crash, Bernie Madoff, and Suntrust and BB&T merging into one giant bank that is "too big to fail". This is the reason I absolutely refuse to get a Roth IRA or 401k- because it's tied to the stock market and you don't even decide what stocks your money is being put into.

The people here on Kiwi are going to call me an egregious faggot if I make a poor decision in regards to my portfolio and tell me how to unfuck myself. I like that alot better.

I found one of the original Lois Lane comics in extremely good condition from the 70's at a flea market. I got a glass protective casing for it, so I'll keep in it my safe deposit box for a decade or so before cashing out.
 
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So do we blame the penciller, the inker, or both?

Cyber Bowling said:
They're wasting money on a failed project, then losing their progressive points when they cancel it and admit it was a failure nobody wants to see. Yet, they keep picking up those projects and letting the cycle repeat itself.
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Real commicsism hasn't been tried yet.

So Ya Boy Zack has been raving about The Authority lately. I checked some of it out, and I feel as if that kind of early 2000s 'realistic' fuck-you-dad ultraviolence almost draws a direct line from 90s Image type excesses to some of the more extreme progressive comics coming from the big 2 today. Thoughts?

It did also get me to finally read What's So Funny About Truth, Justice And The American Way? Or Superman vs. The Elite, or whatever which was fun. It could've been a little longer, but it was a clean shower for my brain at least, after that other stuff.
 
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So do we blame the penciller, the inker, or both?



Real commicsism hasn't been tried yet.

So Ya Boy Zack has been raving about The Authority lately. I checked some of it out, and I feel as if that kind of early 2000s 'realistic' fuck-you-dad ultraviolence almost draws a direct line from 90s Image type excesses to some of the more extreme progressive comics coming from the big 2 today. Thoughts?

It did also get me to finally read What's So Funny About Truth, Justice And The American Way? Or Superman vs. The Elite, or whatever which was fun. It could've been a little longer, but it was a clean shower for my brain at least, after that other stuff.
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I'm shocked you watched Richard.

Hmm. To me, the Authority breaks down three ways.

First, is the deranged politics. Gay this, subversion that. It's all very exhausting. Then there is the writing. Real creativity from Mark Millar. Without him I dunno whether Authority would hold up as well. He took Warren Ellis' tired, overwrought thing and at least infused it with some fun. Finally, the fucking art! I just looked, two plus years and almost every issue was drawn by either Bryan Hitch, Frank Quitely, or Art Adams. Talk about astroturf. Would anyone remember these comics if Patrick Zircher or Jamal Igle drew them?

I think the 90s Image books departed from morality and that left a vacuum that enabled progressives like Ellis to supplant the classic heroic liberalism of Denny O'Neil or Stan Lee.

Yes, I love TJAW. It wasn't supposed to be long. Kelly is a lefty who likes political comics. But he found the morality of the Authority at the time he was writing Superman to be repugnant. So he wrote a response and never wanted to see the Elite again. Naturally the book was a mega hit and DC forced him to bring Manchester Black back. So he killed him. Then DC bribed him with allowing him to do an introspective black ops Justice League Elite book.
 
See, I always felt that Ellis was the one writer who understood the Authority best, because he understood that the concept had a limited amount of gas in it and no very good place in an ongoing shared universe. He wrote three stories -- stories with massively decompressed storytelling, so they could have easily fit in about 60 percent of the page count without quite so much of the widescreen blowing shit up -- washed his hands of the whole thing and never came back.

Millar's Authority is one of those Millar things that leaves me scratching my head because I can never quite decide to what degree he's just taking the piss. Although I have a suspicion that his approach there prefigures Wanted, in that he's deliberately making fun of all the sociopaths in the 90s-to-early-00s superhero audience.

And yeah, 90 percent of the reason Authority had such a lasting impact is because it's where Hitch broke through and the whole widescreen thing became the artistic gimmick of the decade. Otherwise it was Stormwatch with half the plot and twice the violence. If it had still been Tom Raney or Oscar Jimenez on pencils, it would have flopped just like Stormwatch had kept on flopping every time they tried to reboot it.
 
Authority was the only WildStorm book I ever read, which probably colored my impressions of the setting. I liked what Ellis did with his run, since you got the impression that the setting was a terrible place to live and the extreme methods the team used were necessary evils.

I tried to keep reading it after Ellis left, but I hated the Millar run and quit around the time they did the G7 Authority. I've never really cared for Mark Millar, and I feel his run is what turned the team into irredeemable sociopaths. Maybe my memories are fuzzy since I haven't read it in a decade, but I felt under Ellis they were at least nominally heroic. A lot of the problems I saw with Millar were the same things that ruined The Ultimates for me, being ugly for ugly's sake.
 
I'm genuinely interested as to whether it'll move units again. The press is treating it like the second coming of Christ, but that doesn't mean much. God knows Image could use another big seller with Walking Dead gone.
 
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