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apparently jon kent is also bi sexual.
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It did well in trades. I personally dipped out around issue fifteen or sixteen. It just got really boring really quick after a strong first arc.
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I love how the dangerhairs on Twitter are raving about how many storytelling avenues this revelation opens up. Uh, no. These people are incredibly shallow and largely to turn the book into softcore porn with Jon and Jay fucking each other senseless when not delving into current-year politics. There isn't much of a story here. Certainly nothing on the level of Moore (when he's not obsessing over underage girls sexually experimenting), Gaiman, or Morrison in their heydays. If anyone has to read a Superman comic, I would go with Philip Kennedy Johnson's Action Comics. He's actually engaging in some lore-building with Warworld and Mongul, plus it stars the one, true Superman leading (a version of) the Authority on a mission to free the slaves trapped there..
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I wonder how whole Jon thing will turn out years later. There are lots of resources allocated to him and there are obvious interest groups behind his push, but its all done in such a shit way that I wonder if he won't be retconned out of existence at some point.
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this doesn't really open storytelling avenues.
i mean i'd rather have seen the old jon as a 9-10 year old kid running around with damien in the Supersons rather than this mess. fucking Bendis took jon and aged him up, didn't he?
also i predict this fizzles out and we see Jon shifted to the Titans comics or sth.
hell this twist isn't even on par with some stupid Bendis thing, is it? It just reads like desperation to be a "milestone" moment. All spectacle, no plot or character driven stuff.
we just see Jon get a timeskip in his age and suddenly he's sexually experimenting.
What the fuck's going on in the Legion books anyways? Everything's moving at a snail's pace these days and it all feels like it's just one spectacle after another. Even the 90s gave us time to chill out between events.
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All there has been is the two pointless issues of Millennium, 12 issues of LOSH, and two issues of the Future State tie-in. After that, nada. I think it's safe to say that the book has quietly been cancelled.
Thank the lord if this is the case. Too many fucking characters, there just to be there and given no scenes, no backstory, no nothing. One of the things I loved about the LOSH was that every character (except Chemical King, LOL) got a chance to shine and develop into a fully fleshed out being. (Even Condo got development a decade after he died, at least).
This was a just a waste of an IP that DC let lie fallow until Bendis stuck his fucking bald head into it for reasons I cannot fathom. All he really did was racebend Rokk and the Rannz twins ,and then add pointless characters like Monster Boy and Gold Lantern, that next to no attention or development. At least he didn't shove his pet Naomi into it, but I think it's only because he got to shoe-horn her into Young Justice and then the JLA.
If DC wants to make up for that failed abortion, they need to let Shooter, Giffen, and/or Johns back on the book, forget this iteration ever existed, and get back to the post-Legion of Three Worlds timeline.
OK. LOSH sperging over. Carry on, Gentlemen.
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man i'd take Bendis writing shit over whatever the fuck Tamaki and the guy who writes The Jon Kent book do.
Bendis is a shitshow, but at least it's stuff I can read while taking a fat dump without feeling the need to take another one. The worst thing he ever did at Marvel was rush Civil War II iirc. I suspect that may not have been his fault.
Gold Lantern was just another version of Rond Vidar, right?
I think what would have been really interesting would have been seeing Rose's journey through the ages and running into other immortals.
man they're gonna fuck up any new JSA book too I just know it.
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I stopped reading years ago, I just never cared for the main characters, just the monitor guy. Did he die or something?
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Yes, The Will rips his head off in revenge for him killing The Stalk.
and I know not a lot of people here care about Saga, but I've read a lot of Brian Vaughns stuff, I read Y the Last Man, I read Paper Girls, think I read one other. While they were all serviceable, despite how fucking ridiculous the twist is in Y.
I don't know, something about how he writes Saga, it's the only comic to ever actually make me feel something.
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Finished reading the Waterworld sequel comic, it is incredible 90's. It was really bad, but I was curious. The Waterworld wold does have a nice concept, the idea of a water mad max could be used really well but this comic went full retard.
I know there there is a manga adaptation of water world but I sure wish someone would adapt the concept further. The mad max vertigo comics were really good.
I know there there is a manga adaptation of water world but I sure wish someone would adapt the concept further. The mad max vertigo comics were really good.
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That's because Authority did lead to what we see today. Late 90s and early 2000s were still full of edgy, shock value comics, and Ellis followed that trend. Ideas and writing that were more original than most at the time made him stand out, along with new trend of decompressed storytelling and widescreen comics. He also set himself apart by being subversive and alluding to contemporary issues, but it was blunt and infantile in most cases. Ellis grew a large following, and some who congregated on his forums eventually became comic book writers themselves. People like Kelly Sue Deconnick, Kieran Gillen, Chip Zdarsky, Alex DeCampi, Gail Simone, G. Willow Wilson and many others started out on Warren Ellis' Forums. That's where their crony group developed, and Ellis ushered them into the industry.
Here is an interview with some of these people reminiscing about Warren Ellis Forums. Image comics scrubbed it from their website soon after sex pest accusations came out:
https://archive.md/k673U/again?url=...oral-history-of-the-warren-ellis-forum-part-i
Of course it ignores unsavory behaviors on these forums, like Ellis gloating how his fangirls would send him underwear and other things that many would consider problematic today. EDIT: Interestingly enough, Dr Nerdlove alludes to some of that in his article: https://archive.ph/s77ML/again?url=...es-are-monsters-or-detoxifying-comic-culture/
Vaughan's stories tend to fall apart towards the end. I think that ExMachina is his best work.
Saga loses a lot the moment you realize how formulaic each arc is. Every trade is a reskinned version of the same story. People used to give The Walking Dead crap for this but not Saga for some reason. Deaths are pretty meaningless once you realize that one main character will die in each arc, another will get injured, and something awful will happen to one of the "cute" characters. And maybe it's just me, but plot lost direction after the lighthouse.
If you want another book that will make you feel something try Asterios Polyp
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i will likely re-read it again before issue 55 comes out and we'll see if i still feel the same way then. for the initial moment i just enjoyed the fact characters seemed to react realistically and acted as they should in regards to what they want. for example
When that guy kills Prince IV's wife and steals his son. He does it to prove a political point about how awful the rich are and to hopefully start some kind of revolution. When he eventually comes face to face with Prince IV, he immediately starts to go into his political speech to try and make Prince IV understand why he has done what he has done. Prince IV listens to half of it and responds with "Fascinating, I don't care" and shoots and kills him. Which, yeah, that's fair. Guy killed his wife and kidnapped his son. IV would not give a shit about the why. people also complained about how Marko was killed, but due to his character, it makes sense.
Marko was a fantastic soldier, he was great at fighting and killing. But he didn't want to be, he wanted to be a pacifist and he blamed violence for all the bad things in his life. When he had The Will beaten and was about to deliver the killing blow, due to his desire for pacifism, he decided to walk away and The Will killed him. Marko's problem wasn't that he was too good with violence, it's that he refused to understand that sometimes violence is the only option and in his desire to stay a pacifist in a time of war, he got killed for it.
really the only part of Saga on my initial reading I thought wasn't necessary/was unneeded was the tranny shit in the prison. like if you want a trans character, I don't care, that's fine. but the way the tranny spoke to the kid didn't seem real. that just seemed a literal tranny talking point inserted into the comic for a brief moment.
Marko was a fantastic soldier, he was great at fighting and killing. But he didn't want to be, he wanted to be a pacifist and he blamed violence for all the bad things in his life. When he had The Will beaten and was about to deliver the killing blow, due to his desire for pacifism, he decided to walk away and The Will killed him. Marko's problem wasn't that he was too good with violence, it's that he refused to understand that sometimes violence is the only option and in his desire to stay a pacifist in a time of war, he got killed for it.
really the only part of Saga on my initial reading I thought wasn't necessary/was unneeded was the tranny shit in the prison. like if you want a trans character, I don't care, that's fine. but the way the tranny spoke to the kid didn't seem real. that just seemed a literal tranny talking point inserted into the comic for a brief moment.
also if you don't mind, could you just name for me the main characters that die each Arc? because I'm trying to think back on it and while I can certainly think of characters who die, I can't really think of any "main" ones who die in each arc. i can really only think of 2-3 main ones who die and they all died in the latest arc.
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There are so many fags and lesbos in today's superhero periodicals that one can only draw the conclusion that super powers turn you gay. They can also alter your DNA in the drop of a hat, so that one second you're white, the next you're a nigger.
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I have this idea for a storyline where the Jon Kent from the Bendis basically goes full Injustice with a dash of Homelander after his attempts to "fix" the world's problems backfire and boyfriend gets fridged because of his incompetence. He flies around staging interventions and vaporizing world leader--coming into conflict with the League, Titans, Task Force X, etc. It gets so bad that Superman and Supergirl return from space to put an end to his rampage. Amanda Waller then orders Bloodsport to assassinate him with a Kryptonite bullet. Jon dies in his father's arms with his actions staining the name of the House of El for all of history...
...which was the point. The Time Trapper reveals himself and tells a grief-struck Supes that the Jon that died is from an alternate timeline that he brought to Earth-0 as part of his revenge for his defeat in Legion of Three Worlds. (Note: The Trapper is a sentient timeline who is "rebelling" against the main timeline and thus his identity constantly shifts.) He brought a traumatized and unstable alt-Jon to ruin the Superman name in a scheme to "prune" the true Legion from the timeline. As such, the Bendis Legion is a creation of the Trapper designed to mislead alt-Jon and is disposed of after it served its purpose.
However, the original, reboot, and threeboot Legions return to help the Superman family and the 21st century heroes put a stop to the Trapper. The three Brainiac 5s reveal that they are all from branching timelines of Earth-0 to explain Clark, Conner, and Kara's respective memberships. The combined heroes force the Trapper to retreat to the Vanishing Point, but the victory feels hollow with Jon dead, or is he? Just before leaving to the respective timelines, the Brainiacs hint that the real (kid) Jon is lost somewhere in the multiverse so the Super family goes of a quest to find him.
Would anyone buy this piece of spergery? It only took me five minutes to come up with and it sound better than anything Tom Taylor would write.
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I would dig a Superman Family multiverse oddessy to save Jon. You would need a continuity sperg like Morrison to do it, and it would be a good chance to develop some of the less used alternate earths.
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Superhero comics have a morality that really confuses me. As a kid my dad bought me them because my siblings were a lot older than me and we lived like thirty miles from everyone else, I liked Spider-Man because he seemed like a guy trying to be morally responsible with his abilities. Batman was a crazy guy who tried to help other crazy people, I never really liked him as a character. I get why the character can't kill the Joker, but it just kinda bores me, but I always hated how he has a no kill rule and somehow is fine with making child soldiers.
It's kinda the same deal with the X-Men. They basically abduct kids, lovebomb them, and send them to die for their beliefs. The allegory is far better for minority gun rights, but even then it's stupid. I'd like monster of the week shit, pulpy adventures, or just trying to deal with a guy developing powers in the midst of a mental breakdown. Instead you get writers who really love Idpol and write every character like they are right simply for being of the correct background. Most of the X-Men comics currently are that, I got back into them because a friend of mine said they were good and I honestly don't understand the appeal. The Hickman guy loves writing about scifi concepts, but never really writes about the people in them.
If you want to read some good comics, I recommend the OG Fantastic Four. The Invisible Girl is somehow less of a bitch than The Thing. Sue is actually pretty heroic in those, you'd think for the girl character in a Stan Lee comic she'd just be girl, but she has a fairly unique character. The OG Spider-Man is good, too. I wish the character would have a good end of fucking his Symbiote wife, but Marvel is staffed by NTR fans.
It's kinda the same deal with the X-Men. They basically abduct kids, lovebomb them, and send them to die for their beliefs. The allegory is far better for minority gun rights, but even then it's stupid. I'd like monster of the week shit, pulpy adventures, or just trying to deal with a guy developing powers in the midst of a mental breakdown. Instead you get writers who really love Idpol and write every character like they are right simply for being of the correct background. Most of the X-Men comics currently are that, I got back into them because a friend of mine said they were good and I honestly don't understand the appeal. The Hickman guy loves writing about scifi concepts, but never really writes about the people in them.
If you want to read some good comics, I recommend the OG Fantastic Four. The Invisible Girl is somehow less of a bitch than The Thing. Sue is actually pretty heroic in those, you'd think for the girl character in a Stan Lee comic she'd just be girl, but she has a fairly unique character. The OG Spider-Man is good, too. I wish the character would have a good end of fucking his Symbiote wife, but Marvel is staffed by NTR fans.
A notion Garth Ennis took to its logical conclusion in The Boys.
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that'd probably have been an actual 1-2 year saga in the pre-new 52 days tbh.
I'd even suggest that we have a completely separate storyline where Damien is trying to do everything to save Jon, but we don't realize that goal until the arc's almost over and Damien fails due to his unwillingness to open up with other people that also involves Talia fucking him over in order to teach him a lesson. Damien sees Jon's corpse and starts breaking down like a normal kid would, as Bruce and Dick try to console him. Etc. etc.
The big "Totality" group where Talia and Luthor belong to meet up. Luthor makes a comment on how he was counting on Damien being able to save and redeem Jon. He makes a coy comment towards Talia that she just "lost her son, forever".
Hall of Heroes and Justice Incarnate assists in trying to find Jon. Other closed off multiverse worlds agree to find him, as they don't want the unknown variable of a House of El member being there.
Etc.
The general premise is really fucking good here. I'd even say that we can bring in the whole Final Crisis legion of Supermen into the equation, but they arrive a little too late.
(This could be an entertaining worldbuilding/drafting project in itself. Kiwis try to give good versions of stories for modern comics.)
Morrison would be good. Hell I'd even take Ewing or Hickman, even if they're not necessarily continuity spergs per-se.
the X-Men as they are now seem to be half-Hickman's ideas and half-editorial mandates pushing shit around.
I mean, I'm all for trying to explore the mutants creating a nation in every aspect, but there's something that feels sinister at the back of all this. I'm really curious as to what the fuck's going to happen with Xavier being revealed to have been mindbroken for this.
Also, I think the mutants thing relies on a few premises.
>Legitimate unrealistic bias against them.
Doesn't work because as we've seen, too many random variables come into play. For ever mutant with a benign and controllable power set like Colossus or even Iceman/Beast, there's a ton that just have a combo of mental issues and uncontrollable power. You'd think that normal people would not be throwing rocks at mutants but call Shield or the Avengers instead.
The entire "mutant hate" thing only works as an allegory for racism, but you could also argue that mutants got utterly fucked because for every good thing the X-Men and other heroic mutants do- there's some Magneto or APocalypse or some other grand scale villain. Hell, it's like half the notable iconic villains of Marvel's history are mutants or related to mutants in some way.
the whole mutant shitshow feels like the Avengers and other heroes kinda let the X-Men handle all of it, otherwise we'd have had more side mentions of other heroes calling the X-Men or w/e for mutant awakenings like they did for Inhuman cocoons. (Really, I can see how the mutants were pissed at how the Inhumans got a ton of cooperation with awakening Inhumans when new mutants weren't treated as well as they were.)
Marvel's Shared Universe thing kinda hurts forcing the X-Men to the current status. Sure, early on it made sense to do it secretly, but we've gotten to the point where Avengers vs X-Men was kind of the logical conclusion to the general tensions and priorities. The Avengers Unity Squad thing that popped up post AvX was a step in the right direction, but it just seems kinda weird that the X-Men don't even have a single rep on the current Avengers, given how things have been.
Like, we have so many categories of superhumans in Marvel. Mutates, Gamma Mutates, Inhumans, Alien Hybrids, Vampires, Eternals, Deviants, Atlanteans, etc. It'd have made sense if there was some extended hatred of all superhumans and non-homo sapiens in general. But we haven't seen this narrative move much since the 2000s with the whole "Hope Summers" bullshit.
Also they brought back fucking Reverend Stryker in the Weapon X comic from a while back. Specifically, they did it like fucking 2-3 times there. We need some good mutant villains again. The whole "Xeno" organization in the Hickman books seems to be a step in the right direction, and they may or may not also be an anti-Extraterrestrial organization too with the current symbiote books.
enough sperging i guess. i just find it amusing that i want to read marvel more than dc these days.
DC seems to be perpetually stuck in trying to set things up, but getting bombed at the starting line.
Marvel's at least trying to do something, but its funny how the MCU hasn't really resulted in a comics boom because you'd think it would have.
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He's the Irish Guy who wrote Preacher, right? I never really liked him, I think he also write Fury Max and I've read stuff by Japanese War Otaku that are better about a lot of aspects of war. He's one of those guys who hates the genre and a lot of people love his nihilism because he'll explore some ideas. Same with the Ellis guy, I hope I didn't mix them up. I know that one of them is responsible for the current crop of writers by doing quid pro quos on his blog. I don't really like Anglo Writers that much, they seem to have a stick up their asses and can't help, but write thinly veiled British politics polemics and comment terribly on American politics. Moore was guilty of this, by far. Miracle Man which besides some gore is fairly boring is just him being angry about Thatcher, it's really pathetic. Moore is really only as good as the artist he was partnered with.
I like Jap shit more because they understand that visual medium means visual medium. The sights gags in Manga are to communicate something, the character design as well. Western comics are allergic to speed lines to convey motion, it's why artists used capes and scarves. A lot of those things got tossed out the window, even the idea of why superheroes are heroes. Abusing your gifts was something heroes didn't really do, Peter Parker was a hero because he realized that he has to use his powers with responsibility, his issue was that he did it to the point where he had to many responsibilities and his life would fall apart. He was always a power fantasy, but the inherent moral was a positive message for young men. Even DBZ has the idea that you can constantly surpass your limitations, modern comics are diseased in that they don't really have a moral.
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I find it really weird how mutants in Marvel have some of the most broken characters in comics yet are still treated as the completely overwhelmed humanity.