TigerGoblin
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be to go pull Jeph Leob Ultimatum on them and graphically kill all of those characters.
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Sam and Amadeus were fine. I just never understood the logic of pushing Kamala/Ironheart as quasi-leaders when they were incredibly rookie-tier.
yeah sure, women and all, but really now, you coulda had a better storyline idea than "Amadeus isn't too socially adept and fucks up being a leader" when the dude has got to be 18-20 years old and has a pretty good track record as a hero.
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I can't remember if this specific example was already brought up by someone who can read leaks and previews better than me. I remember I said I was tired of the theme. I looked closer at the new Hulk #1 on comixology and
For what it's worth, I really like the art it reminds me of that Elliot Fernandez book I'm still waiting on but it's another sign that, if the Hulk hasn't run out of stories that can use him, writers have run out of stories to tell. Though I hear Donny Cates had a reasonably good run on Venom or Spider-Man or something?
I may check it out anyway. I'll count the pages until Bruce is accused of representing the patriarchy.
For what it's worth, I really like the art it reminds me of that Elliot Fernandez book I'm still waiting on but it's another sign that, if the Hulk hasn't run out of stories that can use him, writers have run out of stories to tell. Though I hear Donny Cates had a reasonably good run on Venom or Spider-Man or something?
I may check it out anyway. I'll count the pages until Bruce is accused of representing the patriarchy.
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ok the mere idea of that could work but you'd need to do it properly.I can't remember if this specific example was already brought up by someone who can read leaks and previews better than me. I remember I said I was tired of the theme. I looked closer at the new Hulk #1 on comixology and
For what it's worth, I really like the art it reminds me of that Elliot Fernandez book I'm still waiting on but it's another sign that, if the Hulk hasn't run out of stories that can use him, writers have run out of stories to tell. Though I hear Donny Cates had a reasonably good run on Venom or Spider-Man or something?
I may check it out anyway. I'll count the pages until Bruce is accused of representing the patriarchy.
Donny Cates did good on Venom and his Thor run is decent.
The idea of Banner being innately sociopathic on some level could also explain why every merged hulk like The Professor or Doc Green eventually turns into a sociopath that pushes their ideals on the world.
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Now I have to eat my words, because Cates Hulk #1 is pretty good.
This, you can't save these rotted things at this point. Kill them all and start over.
GranDuke
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You can always reboot, re-contextualise and retcon things. Problem with many of these characters is not that they have bad traits or did some retarded shit, but that they don't have any character in the first place and are stereotypes. So just adding some actual character traits would improve them a lot.
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As far as based comic book writers... scifi author I'm a big fan of, Christopher Ruocchio, wrote the Thor backup story in Avengers 50.
I am admittedly a fan of his already, but he does more in ten pages an maybe less than 500 words than I've seen some Thor authors do with a dozen issues. man knows hoe to pack a punch.
As for what makes this story in particular memorable for me? Well...
Go check it out.
I am admittedly a fan of his already, but he does more in ten pages an maybe less than 500 words than I've seen some Thor authors do with a dozen issues. man knows hoe to pack a punch.
As for what makes this story in particular memorable for me? Well...
Go check it out.
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That's what my brother was telling me the other day.
It could also explain The Maestro as well.
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The Maestro emerging within Banner's headspace would be a hell of a thing tbh
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Did they bring up Bruce's mother in Immortal Hulk at all? She was in the crappy Chaos King Event. But honestly I like the idea of approaching Bruce being fractured as a result of his childhood, not gay mystic bullshit. The Hulk is the childish personality was always one I liked, not child-like, but childish in that it has simple goals and sees puny Banner as weak for Bruce being the worst aspects of their being. It's a philosophical thing, but there is strength in that the Hulk is the small indomitable piece of Bruce brought forth and magnified, it's the self-control and gentle-side of Banner. The Hulk donated blood to his cousin, the Hulk is the one who wants to help when it'll bite him in the ass. Reverse the Jeykel and Hyde is the only thing the Hulk and Bruce Banner have going for it outside of the Bill Bixby show that was something much different from most of the comics.
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the idea of combining bruce's mental fractures into mystic bullshit is 100% comic book shit and I'm legitimately wondering if the weird sociopathy/psychopathy/etc. moments from the "merged" Hulks like the Professor or "Doc Green" come from Banner.
I mean, that'd be an interesting idea to bring to life. The Hulks themselves, for better or worse, are generally attempting to help (classic childish green hulk often did. Joe Fixit beat the shit out of actual criminals iirc and may or may not have killed drug dealers and pedophiles iirc. )or react to external things (World War Hulk, OG Grey Hulk). "Devil Hulk", as it turns out, wasn't really a bad guy.
makes me wonder if we're going to find out that there's a whole set of distinct "Banner" personalities that are all fucked up in some way, with only 1-2 of them being decent people.
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I mean it wouldn't really be that subversive to make it so that the Hulk part of Banner was always there. It was the little spark of good, the element that decided to save Rick Jones or maybe the part that cried the loudest when his mother got abused. In general, I don't really like the Hulk or Banner as an actual character. He's a walking disaster is the appeal I got from him. The power fantasy element of the Hulk also lended itself to the darker aspect of power fantasies.
I always hated Hulk being some unstoppable force rather than a destructive force. He does damage, he ruins life like a Hurricane does, but for someone like Stark or Thor you just punt him into the sky. Seriously, Maestro wasn't unstoppable, he was a fucking loser ruling over scraps.
The worst part of ever liking Marvel is being a Pymfag. Civil War and Secret Invasion had a whole sub-plot about how Pym despite all his mad scientist tendencies, wants to do the right thing. His dopplerganger had to be killed a cloned because it was becoming too much like him and wanting to warn everybody. I think like two writers have touched the issue that Janet was using him and he was using her, it was mutually abusive relationship.
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His health had been failing him for a long while now, but still, it's rough to know he's on his way out. One of the all time greats.
After Kirby, maybe the most influential big two artist? In the conversation, anyway. Almost anyone who came up in the 80s and 90s was chasing his style to some extent or another.
After Kirby, maybe the most influential big two artist? In the conversation, anyway. Almost anyone who came up in the 80s and 90s was chasing his style to some extent or another.
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I mean, given that the Ewing series established that "Devil Hulk" is 100% not a bad guy at all, and may even be more of a heroic type that we realize.
the hulk being a destructive force only really works if the situation is like WWH where everything is a massive shitstorm and nobody has the time to pull open the layers of bullshit.
Honestly I feel like the use of Pym and Ultron-Pym in the weird recent-ish cosmic marvel shit is leading up to something. Pym's soul got thrown into the soul-stone and we haven't seen much of anything since then. Ultron-Pym got nuked by Galactus because of course it's a necessary thing to do.
Pym and Janet being in a mutually abusive relationship was touched on in the recent Darkhold- Wasp event one-shot iirc.
Anyways I think this shift in dealing with pym/janet over the decades has been a fucked up mess. Part of me wonders where they're going to take the Pym family circus next, because it'd be hella fucked up to discover if Nadia inherited her dad's mental issues and we see the same thing happen.
then again modern comics writing wouldn't do that because they're retarded dumbasses who couldn't spot a good story idea without shitting themselves.
jeez. he's probably my favorite comics artist.
yeah perez's new teen titans run is still extremely influential and is the entire reason the titans became an A-list IP.
hell, Perez is the only creator I can name to have ever done a memorable Wonder Woman run.
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I met Perez at the local con in 2012 and I can confirm this. He loved what he was doing and loved interacting with the fans. With some gentle prodding from my Mom (who was a nerd since the 60s) I commissioned a sketch of Firestorm (Ronnie Raymond version) from him and even affectionately called him "knucklehead".
Well, I wouldn't downplay Marv Wolfman's involvement either, but Perez created the iconic looks of Starfire, Cyborg, Raven, and Deathstroke. Hell, his rendition of Beast Boy (then Changeling) was a vast improvement over the Silver Age version.
I would argue that there were other memorable runs, but Perez's is the cornerstone for the character as there wasn't much to the Pre-Crisis Wonder Woman. No creator wanted to be on Wonder Woman prior to 1987 and it was a title writers and artists were assigned to and was... inconsistent to say the least. Perez actually requested the title and redefined the character for the Modern Age of Comics, I would even argue that he was even more influential than William Moulton Marston, her creator.
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Hell, didn't Perez and Wolfman create/design Nightwing? that's also another big one.
yeah Wondy's been kinda weird because the character never had a solid run until Perez. I kinda wish they gave her to good creators more often. Nowadays we have some weird gay romance between Wondy and some other kryptonian? Like nigga what happened to steve trevor?
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Ewing's Joe Fixit was such an INO version of that super brief period of Grey Hulk's run that I wouldn't mind seeing someone shit all over the Ewing run by revealing that Ewing's "Joe" was a fake; another pseudo personas ala how the PAD "cured" Hulk was retconned as being an artificially created personality to trick Hulk's wife and friends into thinking Samson cured Bruce.
The character barely resembled the Joe Fixit from that period and quite frankly, seemed to exist because Ewing thought Bruce Banner was too much of a boring pussy for his poor man's Devilman rip-off. So he created an INO new personality and slapped Joe's name on it and got away with it.
Runaways was a blatant attempt to create a book/franchise for casuals with zero ties to the Marvel Universe (at least at first) and as time went by, got hamfistedly inserted into the greater Marvel Universe when Marvel realized they had a huge hit on their hands. To the point they had Tigra and Pym outright address the plot hole of the West Coast Avengers not noticing the Pride by claiming "The Pride was an urban legend we gave no mind, since there was no real proof of their existence" line when the Runaways showed up in Avengers Academy
Sunspot and Cannonball only got made Avengers because Hickman was a huge fucking New Mutant stan and in particular, has stated that Sunspot is his favorite New Mutant.
Also Reptyl DID get a huge push but fans pretty much fucking hated him, especially since he was heavily tied to the dismal Super Hero Squad cartoon. In Avengers Academy, Finesse and to a lesser extent, Mettle and Hazmat were the breakout stars, with Reptyl as a sort of scrappy no one really liked.
The 1994 Reboot was fucked the second the writers completely and maliciously, fucked up Wildfire's Reboot debut because said writers were part of the camp that DESPISED fans for liking Wildfire and spending five years constantly asking when him and Dawnstar and the other "Legion Members who don't count because they weren't part of the Adventure Comics era team". DnA doubled down on what they did to Drake and further fucked it up by replacing Dawnstar with the abortion that was Shikari, further character assassinating Saturn Girl (and Element Lad), completely shitting on and then killing off Monstress, and taking the 90s era "Garth as a cuck" meme to it's ultimate ending by having him pointlessly sacrifice his life.
Even with their later fan pandering introduction of Dream Girl and Timber Wolf onto the roster, the book never recovered even after they churned out Legion World, which was the point in which you (if you want to be generous) can say the DnA Legion run actually got good and readable. Letting Waid reboot shit was a mercy killing at that point, even with the disaster that was the Waid run ultimately forcing DC to go "Fuck it" and let Meltzer bring back the OG Classic Legion and basically pretend V4/TMK run never happened with them.
As for the SW6 Legion; the first arc is great but everything afterwards was garbage. Even though Waid himself insists that he didn't say "fuck it" and order the reboot around issue #56-57 of LSH V4 when the word came down they were banned from using/featuring anything Green Lantern related after turning Celeste into a Green Lantern energy being, reading #7-15 clearly showed that the writers were told something big status quo changing was coming and basically the writers twiddling their thumbs. Especially with the way that the writers were still pushing the anti-Garth stuff by writing him as an utter asshole
No to Silent War, because Hines was planning shit that has ZERO connection to what followed, as far as Silent War having a MASSIVE fucking cliffhanger (Maximus in charge of the Inhumans and vowing to conquer Earth, Black Bolt in a jail cell utterly broken, his son and Medusa under Maximus's mind control and everyone fucking HATING Black Bolt save for Luna, who is trapped in Maximus's clutches because her power makes her the only other person outside Black Bolt immune to Maximus's mind control.
They fired Hines and replaced him with an utter hack that ignored Silent War and had Black Bolt in charge, Maximus a "good guy", and everything peachy keen happy and the Inhuman moon city fully rebuilt even though the US government had just nuked it and killed so many people that Maximus didn't even have to brainwash the people to get them to install him king again and oh yeah, right before World War Hulk but BEFORE Planet Hulk, which was the next canonical appearance of the Inhumans after Silent War but ingored it entirely, Black Bolt got replaced by a Skrull so he sent Hulk into space but didn't get his shit kicked in as payback.
Which is a fucking shame, as Hines was doing some great work with the Inhumans in Son of M and Silent War and it got 100% shitted on by Marvel to a degree that Silent War might as well not even be canon since everyone ignored it.
Sort of. IIRC, they retconned She-Hulk being Bruce's cousin on his mom's side of the family and tied up the plot point of Bruce killing his dad from Hulk -1 by stating Jen's dad (who is a police officer) helped cover up Bruce murdering his dad as payback for him still being super upset that Brian did minimum time for her murder. And furthered the plot point that Bruce was abused and his mom ultimately murdered, because Brian was a sociopath who actively resented and hated Bruce for existing since he "stole his wife's love/attention from him".
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Oh god, they brought Gillen back and X-Men is still doing the ethnostate bullshit for years to come. It's so fucking boring, it's them winning with no fucking backlash. No real adversity, it's a literal fanfic idea of a character having a Groundhogs Day happen to them because they are super special. I proof read a girls in highschool to get close for a handjob and it wasn't worth it then.
The biggest issue is nothing fucking happens. It's panels of people talking and the girls are not drawn hot enough for me to care. Like nigga come the fuck on, don't talk about the cool shit, show it. Either draw the X-Men getting rofl stomped by a bunch of robots or don't. Incorporate fighting into storytelling or don't write a comicbook. Worse is that's a failed scifi writer who keeps attempting high science fiction and AI stories and failing. Like shit you have people beating death, have their souls start rotting, there needs to be consequences for immortality to be hell.
@MirrorNoir Really? So now Jen is Bruce's cousin through their fathers? Or Jen's mother is Brian's sister? Either way Ewing is a literal anglo cuck who thinks he's a good writer. Faggot needs to choke on his wife's boyfriend's cock. As time goes on, I really don't like American comics. I like to bitch about how they have the worst niggas writing this shit.
The biggest issue is nothing fucking happens. It's panels of people talking and the girls are not drawn hot enough for me to care. Like nigga come the fuck on, don't talk about the cool shit, show it. Either draw the X-Men getting rofl stomped by a bunch of robots or don't. Incorporate fighting into storytelling or don't write a comicbook. Worse is that's a failed scifi writer who keeps attempting high science fiction and AI stories and failing. Like shit you have people beating death, have their souls start rotting, there needs to be consequences for immortality to be hell.
@MirrorNoir Really? So now Jen is Bruce's cousin through their fathers? Or Jen's mother is Brian's sister? Either way Ewing is a literal anglo cuck who thinks he's a good writer. Faggot needs to choke on his wife's boyfriend's cock. As time goes on, I really don't like American comics. I like to bitch about how they have the worst niggas writing this shit.