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[Newman's Lovechild]

I always liked this moment, as an introduction to the main character.

Spoiler

 

[JimiHendrix]

I can't even remember what else happened in that arc but why did they have to do that?

it had two good ideas.

Stephanie enacting one of Bruce's plans and not fully understanding it, causing the plan to shit everyones bed and Joker going after Black Mask because Black Mask "killed" a Robin and Joker was mad Sionis was stealing his bit.

 

[Registration]

This power rangers series is really good.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

This power rangers series is really good.

On what power scale are the Power Rangers in the comics as opposed to live action?

 

[Registration]

On what power scale are the Power Rangers in the comics as opposed to live action?

I didn't get it, you are asking how the series is compared to the live action? Or how much power rangers are in comics?

If so: I don't remember much of the tv series and never watched the new movie (I did watch the first movie last year), and the power rangers are in every issue.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

I didn't get it, you are asking how the series is compared to the live action? Or how much power rangers are in comics?

If so: I don't remember much of the tv series and never watched the new movie (I did watch the first movie last year), and the power rangers are in every issue.

Let me clarify. Are they strong enough without their robots to do superhuman feats that wouldn't be possible in live action without special effects?

I never read or watch anything Power Rangers since I burned out on it from how God awful their adaptation was from Super Sentai (which is also not that good anymore because of how much more gimmicky and merch driven they are than the previous years).

 

[GranDuke]

Remember when you could read a comic and it wasn’t leading into or part of some big event, like sometimes it was just the X-men fighting the interesting villain of the week or uncovering a secret plot. Everything is the world ending or some such or a secret about the main character’s past, it’s never just a simple adventure. Batman is a good example. There is soooo much canonical bullshit twists related to Bruce’s past at this point that I genuinely feel like it’s inconceivable that there was enough time for it all to happen

Big two comic book character are not really allowed to change so every major thing either is connected to the past or happened years ago.

 

[Registration]

Let me clarify. Are they strong enough without their robots to do superhuman feats that wouldn't be possible in live action without special effects?

I never read or watch anything Power Rangers since I burned out on it from how God awful their adaptation was from Super Sentai (which is also not that good anymore because of how much more gimmicky and merch driven they are than the previous years).

Ah, yes they are. But in the current arc they are already losing to a bigger threat even with the robots since they are at war with the zordon's race.

 

[jspit2.0]

People who think being smoking is misogynistic, heteronormative, transphobic, and probably as bad for the polar ice caps as NFTs.

Fat Ivy will be fat until she's making out with Harley. Then watch, boom, back to being somewhat attractive. Cant pander to the male gaze...but the troon gaze is okay.

 

[Red Hood]

I still can't believe the War Games arc from 2004. Like sure let's have Black Mask return after teaming up with Sylvia to rape Selina Kyle's bff Holly, only this time he captures and tortures Stephanie Brown! That'll go over well. Then have Batman call upon Leslie Tompkins only to have her refuse to help Stephanie because she wants to teach Bruce a lesson about how crime doesn't pay and that he is doing more harm than good (?) earning her the banhammer from Bruce, forcing her to leave Gotham City...

I can't even remember what else happened in that arc but why did they have to do that?
And why did they do the horrid Sue Dibny storyline too? The fuck, DC?

It almost feels like "Stephanie Brown gets shit on" has been a running joke behind the scenes at DC for the past couple decades.

Now that I'm thinking about it, was it ever addressed how Bruce explained Jason's death/disappearance to the public? I mean I'm just saying "Eccentric billionaire has one ward leave, the other disappears mysteriously" would be tabloid fodder. Did he cover it up with his fortune? Did he call in favors with his journalist friends?

 

[PeggieBigCock]

Who has read all of this series? Is it good, worthwhile to read?

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

It almost feels like "Stephanie Brown gets shit on" has been a running joke behind the scenes at DC for the past couple decades.

Now that I'm thinking about it, was it ever addressed how Bruce explained Jason's death/disappearance to the public? I mean I'm just saying "Eccentric billionaire has one ward leave, the other disappears mysteriously" would be tabloid fodder. Did he cover it up with his fortune? Did he call in favors with his journalist friends?

I read that they had a poll and readers votes to kill him.

 

[GranDuke]

Fat Ivy will be fat until she's making out with Harley. Then watch, boom, back to being somewhat attractive. Cant pander to the male gaze...but the troon gaze is okay.

She is not fat in regular comics. That Catwoman series takes place in some dystopian future where most of the characters are a bit different.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

She is not fat in regular comics. That Catwoman series takes place in some dystopian future where most of the characters are a bit different.

So is the logic behind her turning into Tess Holliday (seriously, that's whose photo they traced for Ivy in that panel) that she grows like a tree, adding a new ring of width every year? So, say, if this book took place in 100 years instead of 20, she'd be 40 feet wide and 120 feet tall?

 

[jspit2.0]

She is not fat in regular comics. That Catwoman series takes place in some dystopian future where most of the characters are a bit different.

What even is regular at this point?

So is the logic behind her turning into Tess Holliday (seriously, that's whose photo they traced for Ivy in that panel) that she grows like a tree, adding a new ring of width every year? So, say, if this book took place in 100 years instead of 20, she'd be 40 feet wide and 120 feet tall?

That's...actually a really neat idea.

 

[GranDuke]

What even is regular at this point?

Main continuity would count as regular for me. Catwoman Lonely City is a Black Label book and not in continuity.

 

[MirrorNoir]

So i stopped reading X-Men and most of the X-books right around the time of House of M, so I've been out of the loop for a while.

I have picked up a handful of TPBs here and there but nothing totally substantial. However when I found out they decided to write Nightcrawler as a psycho killer, and killed off Wolfsbane in one of the most disgraceful ways ever to kill off a character (just some fucking rando mob), with the exception of glancing at the seemingly bi-monthly "The X-men franchise is getting shaken up!" puff piece, I rarely pay attention to it any more.

So, my question then: in the last four, five years, has there been anything worthwhile reading in the X-books, or has it been just a giant waste of time and ink?

Psycho killer Nightcrawler was the AOA version, who briefly ran around when the real Nightcrawler was dead in the early 00s.

As for good X-Books. Rosenberg's X-Men was good but only by the standards that everything from 2013-2018 was unreadable. Hellions was good out of the new Hickman books, while X-Factor was decent in so far as it was a spiritual successor to PAD's second X-Factor run and Alpha Flight in general (along with making Dakan actually likable if not still a bit of a douche).

As for other stuff: Inferno #4 dropped today

Spoiler: Hickman's Ending

Mystique and Destiny depower Moira but realize they fucked up since they gave Moira what she wanted all along; to be human. Also, Moira is saved by motherfucking Cypher, who with his one dimensional Otherworld mutant amazon wife who is also a glorified cipher character, bullies Destiny and Mystique into letting Moira flee with Warlock giving her a new techno-organic arm. Oh and Moira admits she still fucking hates mutants and that the cure she was working on in her past life only works on mutants who's powers haven't manifested yet and Destiny implies Cypher and Warlock are plotting their own shit and letting Moira live allows Destiny and Mystique to keep power and possibly gain the needed resources to stop Doug and his schemes.

Meanwhile Nimrod and Omega Sentinel slaughter the ORCHIS mooks they came with to kill Magneto and Xavier and reveal that they represent AI/robots rebelling against all forms of organic life who treat machines like crap (shades of Slott's AI war storyline in Iron Man). They kill Xavier and Magneto, who die and basically lose all knowledge that Nimrod and Omega Sentinel are manipulating humanity and plan on double crossing them once mutantkind is dead, since Xavier's helmet is also destroyed before he can do a quicksave of their minds midbattle.

It then goes to the opening scene of Inferno #1 as Emma resurrects Mags and Xavier and we find out that she delayed their resurrection for a week so she could tell the rest of the Quiet Council about how Xavier, Moira, Sinister, and Magneto have been fucking over every mutant and their mother for decades to get Krakoa to happen. It's implied non-verbally that Kurt and Storm now no longer have any respect for Xavier now that his latest bad shit is public knowledge, at the very least while Kitty and Colossus are left vague about it. The book ends with a teaser for Gillen's Immortal X-Men which is supposed to be about the Council's shenanigans.

At least X-Men #6 was decent though, even though the Captain Krakoa stuff is god-awful filler with Scott having to fake his death to keep Ulrich from revealing mutant resurrection to the public. The subplot of the pissed off Chinese Elon Musk at least finally had a pay-off and puts us one step closer to the Otherworld mutants being wiped out.

I always felt like Big Time was just Slott trying to fix holes created by his misunderstanding of the character after all he's the one who wrote Peter as an idiot schlub completely incapable of managing his life. Horizon is basically just a maguffin so Peter can be Spider-man with no consequences all while collecting a fat paycheck to do Science! There's effort in it, just pure wish fulfillment; Max shows up and Peter now has a stable job, enough leeway that he can be Spider-man without it really affecting him plus, his boss loves Spider-man and thinks he helps him so it's peachy on every front. Slott basically turned Spider-man into knockoff Iron Man then decided that a knock off wasn't enough and created Parker Industries.

The most ridiculous part is that he couldn't even keep the stupid job because Spencer ignored it and now with the Beyond stuff Peter is stuck at stage 1 again.

Big Time was just Brand New Day rebranded due to the toxic nature of it. It's why most fans don't even bother with the name when discussing post-OMD era Spidey in terms of everything from #546-700 basically being one big fuck you to fans, save for Spider Island, until Superior had them double down on telling fans to fuck off.

I still can't believe the War Games arc from 2004. Like sure let's have Black Mask return after teaming up with Sylvia to rape Selina Kyle's bff Holly, only this time he captures and tortures Stephanie Brown! That'll go over well. Then have Batman call upon Leslie Tompkins only to have her refuse to help Stephanie because she wants to teach Bruce a lesson about how crime doesn't pay and that he is doing more harm than good (?) earning her the banhammer from Bruce, forcing her to leave Gotham City...

I can't even remember what else happened in that arc but why did they have to do that?
And why did they do the horrid Sue Dibny storyline too? The fuck, DC?

DiDio really hated Stephanie and Leslie Tompkins got thrown under the bus by DiDio sycophant Bill Willingham because the other Batman writers explicitly made Batman deny Steph medical treatment so as to create such a stain with the storyline that they were hoping against hope that they could force DC to use Infinite Crisis to erase it down the line but DiDio opted to force editorial to rush out a sequel story that scapegoats Leslie.

As for Sue; DiDio and Geoff Johns DESPISES Justice League International and in general, DC hates Elongated Man and prefer the inferior Plastic Man instead. Also, for fun factoids: Brad Meltzer DESPISES Jean Lorring for being a whore and cheating on Ray "Atom" Palmer, hence why she was the murderer in Identity Crisis.

 

[DaBigBopper]

Psycho killer Nightcrawler was the AOA version, who briefly ran around when the real Nightcrawler was dead in the early 00s.

As for good X-Books. Rosenberg's X-Men was good but only by the standards that everything from 2013-2018 was unreadable. Hellions was good out of the new Hickman books, while X-Factor was decent in so far as it was a spiritual successor to PAD's second X-Factor run and Alpha Flight in general (along with making Dakan actually likable if not still a bit of a douche).

As for other stuff: Inferno #4 dropped today

Spoiler: Hickman's Ending

Mystique and Destiny depower Moira but realize they fucked up since they gave Moira what she wanted all along; to be human. Also, Moira is saved by motherfucking Cypher, who with his one dimensional Otherworld mutant amazon wife who is also a glorified cipher character, bullies Destiny and Mystique into letting Moira flee with Warlock giving her a new techno-organic arm. Oh and Moira admits she still fucking hates mutants and that the cure she was working on in her past life only works on mutants who's powers haven't manifested yet and Destiny implies Cypher and Warlock are plotting their own shit and letting Moira live allows Destiny and Mystique to keep power and possibly gain the needed resources to stop Doug and his schemes.

Meanwhile Nimrod and Omega Sentinel slaughter the ORCHIS mooks they came with to kill Magneto and Xavier and reveal that they represent AI/robots rebelling against all forms of organic life who treat machines like crap (shades of Slott's AI war storyline in Iron Man). They kill Xavier and Magneto, who die and basically lose all knowledge that Nimrod and Omega Sentinel are manipulating humanity and plan on double crossing them once mutantkind is dead, since Xavier's helmet is also destroyed before he can do a quicksave of their minds midbattle.

It then goes to the opening scene of Inferno #1 as Emma resurrects Mags and Xavier and we find out that she delayed their resurrection for a week so she could tell the rest of the Quiet Council about how Xavier, Moira, Sinister, and Magneto have been fucking over every mutant and their mother for decades to get Krakoa to happen. It's implied non-verbally that Kurt and Storm now no longer have any respect for Xavier now that his latest bad shit is public knowledge, at the very least while Kitty and Colossus are left vague about it. The book ends with a teaser for Gillen's Immortal X-Men which is supposed to be about the Council's shennanigans.

At least X-Men #6 was decent though, even though the Captain Krakoa stuff is god-awful filler with Scott having to fake his death to keep Ulrich from revealing mutant resurrection to the public. The subplot of the pissed off Chinese Elon Musk at least finally had a pay-off and puts us one step closer to the Otherworld mutants being wiped out.

The entire fight between the robots and the two old fruits was boring and the twist was expected the entire time. I know Western Writers suck at writing them, but dear god they wasted panels on BS like 5 white pages when they could have shown the robots countering their powers. This literally is just Hickman's boring plot from Ultimate X-Men. I do not know why this thing needed like three or so years to be told, nothing he has written is really entertaining nor is there any interesting character interaction beyond characters being shocked by really obvious ideas and twists. It's scheming interspliced by actual entertaining ideas like humanity trying to fight what is essentially of the Brotherhood of All Mutants who want to genocide all humans.

The X-Men is a soap opera, I get that, but why the fuck have them even have powers when it's literally the X-Men being mildly inconvenienced is the worst thing that happens to them. I swear the current editorial and writers might be self-insertfags with how they ignore previous characterization or continuity. I honestly think Marvel might need to reset after all the bullshit that's been going on with Aaron, X-Men, and Spider-Man being written like shit for the past seven years, but I don't think Western Comics are really gonna survive in their current form. The standards are low for nearly every component.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I dislike reboots (largely because DC continually fails at them) but, yeah, so many of the classic Marvel characters have strayed from what people used to like about them that a reboot might be the only way to salvage the universe. Not sure if they should go with a total reboot or a Zero Hour type one.

The biggest problem, though, is that the current crop of writers are absolute shit. Every new version would be probably gender or race swapped and some form of gay or bisexual.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I dislike reboots (largely because DC continually fails at them) but, yeah, so many of the classic Marvel characters have strayed from what people used to like about them that a reboot might be the only way to salvage the universe. Not sure if they should go with a total reboot or a Zero Hour type one.

The biggest problem, though, is that the current crop of writers are absolute shit. Every new version would be probably gender or race swapped and some form of gay or bisexual.

Problem with Marvel rebooting is that you run the risk of the following:

1. It being an excuse plot to basically turn the Marvel comics into 1:1 duplicates of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
2. An excuse to force through bullshit that editorial wants to do that fans don't want (One More Day) and to get rid of characters editorial wants purged (see USAgent, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Julia Carpenter, Rachel Summers, Ben Reilly, Kaine, Thunderstrike, Hank Pym, etc getting the Donna Troy/Wally West treatment)
3. More race bending and replacement of actual popular characters with diversity characters who are already sales poison
4. No fucking clue what the fuck they are doing in terms of no one writing a coherent timeline of what the fuck happened continuity-wise (see how editorial could not even be bothered to even make an actual god-damn timeline for Spider-Man post OMD in terms of nailing down, with zero revision down the road, what did and did not happen in the stories from 1997-2007 especially in light of how they brought Harry back, reinstated Quentin Beck as Mysterio and dropped the whole "zombie demon" thing Peter David set up for him, whether or not the events in Sins Past happened as far as making it so that Peter never met Gwen and Norman's kids to sweep the story under the rug, how much if any of the Clone Saga happened, Baby May and Aunt May's "death", Sandman being brainwashed evil, and undid the story from the JMS run where Aunt May's house was destroyed that was used to justify moving Peter and his family into Stark Tower)