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[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Garbage like this is why I really fucking wish someone at DC would just rape/dismember/stick Selina's corpse into a fridge for Batman to find (and keep her dead a good two decades minimum) or give her another round of extensive electro-shock to irreversibly turn her back into a villain who commits vile crimes and gets her shit kicked in when her "flirting" with Batman amounts to "let's murder Robin so we can fuck"....

If Batman must have a fucksleeve, either pull the trigger on Babs/Bruce (which would have considerable novelty in that the comics have never done the pairing), bring back Vicki Vale or Silver St Cloud, or do Batman/Wonder Woman. I'm sick of Selina/Bruce and I'm doubly sick of writers letting Selina bullshit constantly with zero blowback/counter where, be it the Reeves movie or the Nolan movie, Selina gets to talk bullshit about how justified she is to be a criminal, all because she's a fail-daughter who's pissy that she came out the wrong vagina and as such, grew up poor and didn't have the quality of character to accept not coming out a rich woman's vagina and growing up spoiled rotton or to get a job and work for a living.

DC (and comics in general, really) have long had a problem with treating stealing as basically a harmless bit of fun instead of an actual, serious crime. Especially when it comes to Catwoman. I've seen people try to excuse it with "it's like Robin Hood" except Robin Hood exists in a specific historical context and his whole shtick was giving out what he took to the poor and needy which Catwoman doesn't do. The closest I've seen is that "those fatcats probably did some vile shit to get rich so who are you to judge me for stealing their money" and every one of those instances somehow doesn't end with Batman laughing in Catwoman's face, KOing her dumb ass and then dropping her unconscious body off at the GCPD.

A lot of this is due to Frank Miller's prostitute retcon. Classic Catwoman is supposed to be an actual compulsive kleptomaniac which is why she would get locked up in Arkham Asylum as someone suffering from a legitimate mental illness. She also wasn't some kind of Level 80 Kung-Fu Expert who could last against modern Batman for longer than 3 seconds.

The only way I can see this event ending is the creation of a group that grows out of Catwoman's control and becomes a much worse threat to gotham. Another court of owls, but for the poors and cat themed.

Court of Owls has been a catastrophe for Batman comics, ever since their appearance you have writers creating one evil organization for Batman to fight after another and all of them are equally forgettable (I think we're up to #7 now). The Court only stuck around because DC kept pushing them everywhere and ironically enough despite being their creator, Scott Snyder wasn't even a competent enough writer to capitalize on the only potentially interesting aspect of the Court, which is being Batman's Illuminati/Knights Templar.

 

[Registration]

I am totally out of the loop with capeshit from both publishers.

My breaking point was Rebirth I guess on DC and the conclusion of duggan's deadpool. One for being shit and the other for being so good that I thought: "i did read everything before and nothing came close to being this consistent and good and I have zero hopes for anyone who comes afterwards. So I will stop reading here.

What kind of goyslop are they publishing?

 

[UCT]

I am totally out of the loop with capeshit from both publishers.

My breaking point was Rebirth I guess on DC and the conclusion of duggan's deadpool. One for being shit and the other for being so good that I thought: "i did read everything before and nothing came close to being this consistent and good and I have zero hopes for anyone who comes afterwards. So I will stop reading here.

What kind of goyslop are they publishing?

Funny because most people say Rebirth brought them back to DC. I stopped mostly after I realized how shit the New 52 was.

Honestly your not missing anything at all by continuing to ignore cape books. DC had like a month where they seemed like they maybe were starting to get it, and a decent number of their Dawn of DC books were good or at least enjoyable if not forgettable. Marvel in my opinion has been worse, almost nothing good from them that wasn’t a out of continuity book by a actual talented writer that I’m shocked even bothered. Spider-Man, X-Men, Captain America, Iron Man…. All of them expect for maybe Venom, Hulk, and Moon Knight have been fucking awful.

So I’d say they are both shit, but I like more books from DC and I think Batman/Superman Worlds Finest has been a really great book… that’s about it.

 

[Registration]

Funny because most people say Rebirth brought them back to DC. I stopped mostly after I realized how shit the New 52 was.

Honestly your not missing anything at all by continuing to ignore cape books. DC had like a month where they seemed like they maybe were starting to get it, and a decent number of their Dawn of DC books were good or at least enjoyable if not forgettable. Marvel in my opinion has been worse, almost nothing good from them that wasn’t a out of continuity book by a actual talented writer that I’m shocked even bothered. Spider-Man, X-Men, Captain America, Iron Man…. All of them expect for maybe Venom, Hulk, and Moon Knight have been fucking awful.

So I’d say they are both shit, but I like more books from DC and I think Batman/Superman Worlds Finest has been a really great book… that’s about it.

I did read capeshit before n52 (marvel mostly) but my coming to Dc monthly slop was the new 52. And it was two years after the release with the wonder woman series by brian. Then I started Superman and adjacents (superboy was so mistreated by editorial it hurts).

I really liked n52 Superman, he had an edge from other superman from previous series (I really dislike byrne and most post crisis superman take into making him really boring two good shoes)

Then I started reading other titles that I dont remember. One that sticked up with me was red hood and the outlaws, first by kenneth rocafort art, but sequel series had a nice Jason Todd characterization. Everything related to batman sucks balls tho. Him and arsenal were genuine friends, that issue about him coming up to his death was hard.

Then rebirth was announced and I was satisfied with the death and how superman n52 died. Way different from the post crisis one that was all about battle, this was about his plans to those who are left, his goodbyes and so on, very touching.

then it happened and holy shit, I already hated bendis in marvel but seeing my fav being desecrated by such retarded writing (blue and red, fusioning Superman, retconing both origins, retconing john's birth, old lois impersonating young lois) it was a shit show. The rebirth enjoyers were enjoying their milqtoast superman as dad and family but the whole foundation was ruined, we still to this day dont have an origin story for the current superman since it was a fusion of both pasts and the overall take is up to the reader to what events happened or not.

Then I dropped and never read monthly superman again, I was reading monthly from issue 28 until that point, some years for myself reading weekly a character that I usually only read limited series and specific runs.


and then bendis ruined even what I dont liked, guess no one is safe at hands of hacks.

 

[UCT]

I was never really a Marvel reader, if I did it was usually just Spider-Man. DC was generally the capecrap I enjoyed the most.

See I actually love Byrnes and a lot of those styles of runs. I don’t want my Superman to be edgy or annoying which in its defense I only read Action Comics and hated that so the main Superman could’ve been better idk. It’s why Action #775 is one of my favorites to this day. I’m a very traditional guy when it comes to my Superman. But I don’t like to criticize others peoples opinions on runs that I didn’t like. Everyone likes what they like and as long as it’s not gay shit I don’t care lol.

Plus another reason for my new 52 hate was that I was a huge fan of Tim Drakes solo Red Robin book so to see that get cancelled and then Tim be relegated back to the Teen Titans and in one of the worst costume redesigns I’ve ever seen just made me nope out. But DC proved they could rape Tim even worse lately……

Bendis like Tom King have done so much damage to DC that it will probably never recover. People are still begging DC to just make the grown up John a clone or something and bring the young one back. I still find it funny that DC used the tagline “Bendis is coming!” Who would’ve known that was a warning to all of us.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Tim Drake was always kinda doomed as a character ever since Jason Todd was resurrected and then completely relegated to the point of uselessness with Damian Wayne. One of the main reasons I proposed that DC have Tim retire from the cape business and go back to a civilian life while only occasionally getting involved with Bat-related stuff when it intervenes with his day-to-day affairs. It also would've been unique to show a Bat-vigilante actually retiring from the superhero business permanently of their own volition and not because they died, got too old to do it or weren't good enough.

But no, instead we got...whatever the fuck DC is doing with the poor bastard now.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

On a more positive note, I found some great French fantasy comics that have been translated. Published by Soleil, they're called Elves, Dwarves, and Orcs & Goblins. A lot of stories are episodic, but there's a shared continuity to the world. Art is great, stories are fun (albeit fairly grimdark), but all in all they blow American goyslop out of the water.

I'm a huge fan of Elves and Dwarves, especially the stories penned by Jean-Luc Istin. I really wish more of his work was available in English, particularly his Lancelot series.

 

[40 Year Old Boomer]

I'm a huge fan of Elves and Dwarves, especially the stories penned by Jean-Luc Istin. I really wish more of his work was available in English, particularly his Lancelot series.

Seriously. I am so sick of deconstructed and urban fantasy shit in the west or "oops I got hit by a truck and am now level 99999999 in not-DragonQuest" from the east.

 

[Registration]

I was never really a Marvel reader, if I did it was usually just Spider-Man. DC was generally the capecrap I enjoyed the most.

See I actually love Byrnes and a lot of those styles of runs. I don’t want my Superman to be edgy or annoying which in its defense I only read Action Comics and hated that so the main Superman could’ve been better idk. It’s why Action #775 is one of my favorites to this day. I’m a very traditional guy when it comes to my Superman. But I don’t like to criticize others peoples opinions on runs that I didn’t like. Everyone likes what they like and as long as it’s not gay shit I don’t care lol.

Plus another reason for my new 52 hate was that I was a huge fan of Tim Drakes solo Red Robin book so to see that get cancelled and then Tim be relegated back to the Teen Titans and in one of the worst costume redesigns I’ve ever seen just made me nope out. But DC proved they could rape Tim even worse lately……

Bendis like Tom King have done so much damage to DC that it will probably never recover. People are still begging DC to just make the grown up John a clone or something and bring the young one back. I still find it funny that DC used the tagline “Bendis is coming!” Who would’ve known that was a warning to all of us.

You just reminded me of the fact that the superman's son John kent wasn't even the first john kent in that continuity of new 52. There was another John Kent in the superboy series, something clone something.

A problem of capeshit that superboy in new 52 had was the constant crossover shit, there is nothing I hate more than events. It just derails the possible story we could have. Superboy had its at worst since it crossover with superman titles and also teen titans.

This was of course part of the insane decision to have 52 new ongoing series, instead of being a more natural reboot.

Red robin costume was lame, it really looked like doctor nite lite and even when it was illustrated by Rocafort, it still looked lame.

But of course, I never cared for tim much

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Seriously. I am so sick of deconstructed and urban fantasy shit in the west or "oops I got hit by a truck and am now level 99999999 in not-DragonQuest" from the east.

True story: I got into old-school sword-and-sorcery like Record of Lodoss War, and 80s golden age of fantasy films like Excalibur, Jim Hensen's Dark Crystal and Ridley Scott's Legend, because I had grown so sick of the self-indulgent, murky, muddy fantasy shit like Game of Thrones and its five billion clones dominating the pop culture landscape in the US.

I had to flee to obscure or foreign media in order to get back the colorful morality tales filled with splendor and magic that I loved growing up. The kind filled with pageantry and high romance, that modern deconstructionist fantasy seems all but embarrassed of.

Thankfully, overseas creators still seem to love those kinds of time-honored tropes and genre trappings as much as I do.

 

[40 Year Old Boomer]

True story: I got into old-school sword-and-sorcery like Record of Lodoss War, and 80s golden age of fantasy films like Excalibur, Jim Hensen's Dark Crystal and Ridley Scott's Legend, because I had grown so sick of the self-indulgent, murky, muddy fantasy shit like Game of Thrones and its five billion clones dominating the pop culture landscape in the US.

That's what I grew up with. Except for Lodoss War, as it wasn't readily available in the US back then until I got a some bootleg fan subs on VHS in 97.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Plus another reason for my new 52 hate was that I was a huge fan of Tim Drakes solo Red Robin book so to see that get cancelled and then Tim be relegated back to the Teen Titans and in one of the worst costume redesigns I’ve ever seen just made me nope out. But DC proved they could rape Tim even worse lately……

Yeah, I actually liked what they did with that era. Dick as Batman was a good fit and while at first I hated Damian, other writers made him more likeable and their pairing as Batman and Robin was excellent. I liked Steph as Batgirl and as you said, Tim as Red Robin was good, having him out on his own and making his own mark worked.

The New 52... It may just be me but there didn't seem to be much variety to the books, everything felt samey. Even something like All Star Western, which I liked. I think that's because there was an editorial mandate that everything had to be for 30 year old white men. You had this excellent jump on point, DC's sales were amazing for those first few months and it helped revitalize the dying comic book industry. The problem was the whole thing was thrown together at the last minute with no planning and no real idea what they were doing.

 

[UCT]

I still remember how funny it was when Damian found out that Tim had him on a list of people to keep track of. Being one of the few Bat family who still hated and distrusted him, which makes sense because he forcibly took over Tims role in things. It made Tim grow and push himself. Also I just liked how all the family felt like they had their own places in life. Hell Tim didn’t even stay in Gotham and he was one of the few people that didn’t believe Bruce was dead. Then the New 52 came and Tim was worse then he had been for ten plus years and it only got worse as he was basically forgotten until he could be used for some token virtual signaling and a book as bad as Squirrel Girl.

I too also really liked Dick as Batman and honestly I wouldn’t have hated it if they just made that the status quo but whatever god forbid they try anything new that isn’t just replacing them with brown people or making them gay. Once characters grew, now they stay gay Robin whipping boys forever.

Honestly I tried during the era to keep reading but even Batman didn’t hold my interest.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

Batman sucks because they can’t decide if it’s hard boiled detective shit, a crazy billionaire, social commentary, or some gay bullshit with the joker.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I’ve heard/seen some horror stories about the most recent Batman comic. Something about making Bruce completely broke, the Seline becoming the new crime boss of Gotham and recruiting a bunch of people to “rob the rich”, only it’s treated as a good thing and she berates Baman for stopping the thieves and saying him stopping petty crime “isn’t solving anything”, and then all the rest of the Bat Family agrees with her and starts letting thieves go free, then all of them(save Damien) decide Batman I’d the problem because he stopping robbery in Gotham and gang up on him to stop him.

Thankfully he kicks their asses easily, but I’m assuming they’re only giving him a temporary win before ultimately being defeated by Selina.

For their big moneymakers, DC sure seems to hate their main set of heroes.

 

[jspit2.0]

True story: I got into old-school sword-and-sorcery like Record of Lodoss War, and 80s golden age of fantasy films like Excalibur, Jim Hensen's Dark Crystal and Ridley Scott's Legend, because I had grown so sick of the self-indulgent, murky, muddy fantasy shit like Game of Thrones and its five billion clones dominating the pop culture landscape in the US.

I had to flee to obscure or foreign media in order to get back the colorful morality tales filled with splendor and magic that I loved growing up. The kind filled with pageantry and high romance, that modern deconstructionist fantasy seems all but embarrassed of.

Thankfully, overseas creators still seem to love those kinds of time-honored tropes and genre trappings as much as I do.

Hot take, the OG fantasy stuff was diverse enough you could have darker shit like Conan or lighter fare like Tolkein and Lewis. Martin and co didn't recreate the wheel as much as infusing modern sensibilities.

I’ve heard/seen some horror stories about the most recent Batman comic. Something about making Bruce completely broke, the Seline becoming the new crime boss of Gotham and recruiting a bunch of people to “rob the rich”, only it’s treated as a good thing and she berates Baman for stopping the thieves and saying him stopping petty crime “isn’t solving anything”, and then all the rest of the Bat Family agrees with her and starts letting thieves go free, then all of them(save Damien) decide Batman I’d the problem because he stopping robbery in Gotham and gang up on him to stop him.

Thankfully he kicks their asses easily, but I’m assuming they’re only giving him a temporary win before ultimately being defeated by Selina.

For their big moneymakers, DC sure seems to hate their main set of heroes.

One guy liked it, everone else on here seems to recognize its a shitty idea. But y'know the worst part?
It's not even a new or interesting take. Selina Robin Hood was already a thing. It's been done. The difference was it wasn't ever a big deal, because batman had a legit bigger fucking fish to handle.

NuBatman hasn't had anything like that and never has really. It's all cosmic shit that can be dealt with in a trade paperback decompressed six issues.

Tim Drake was always kinda doomed as a character ever since Jason Todd was resurrected and then completely relegated to the point of uselessness with Damian Wayne. One of the main reasons I proposed that DC have Tim retire from the cape business and go back to a civilian life while only occasionally getting involved with Bat-related stuff when it intervenes with his day-to-day affairs. It also would've been unique to show a Bat-vigilante actually retiring from the superhero business permanently of their own volition and not because they died, got too old to do it or weren't good enough.

But no, instead we got...whatever the fuck DC is doing with the poor bastard now.

He had a solid position as Red Robin. It more or less let him move forward. His big problem was the Nu52 erasing a decade off Bruce Wayne; fucking Dick, Jason and Tim so Bruce could have Damien and not be forty.

 

[UCT]

So anyone else reading the new Conan book from Titan? First two issues I’ve enjoyed quite a bit. It’s nice to get a book that doesn’t feel like overpriced tissue paper lol.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

@jspit2.0

Hot take, the OG fantasy stuff was diverse enough you could have darker shit like Conan or lighter fare like Tolkein and Lewis. Martin and co didn't recreate the wheel as much as infusing modern sensibilities

I mean, of course, that's true. That's kind of my point. Variety is the spice of life, especially where fantasy is concerned, which is precisely how the 80's and 90's could entertain a wellspring of different fantasy fiction of varying tones and styles. I mean, hell, Berserk is as grimdark as it gets, and yet it was rising in popularity in the same decade as fluffy fantasy like Lodoss War and full-on comedy like Slayers. Same with fantasy fiction in the United States: we had stuff like Forgotten Realms and DragonLance on the shelf, Hercules and Xena on TV, and even stuff that tonally sat between both, like Disney's Gargoyles.

The issue is when EVERY fantasy work permeating the pop culture landscape is imitating the same HBO-fied muted greyscale fantasy world of the Game of Thrones TV show, which has very much been the case from the 2010's to now. It's all muddy amoral characters swearing between decapitations and sex scenes, less high elves and dwarves. The variety is gone, and the kind of colorful and binary fantasy that I loved growing up is in drastically short supply.

It's why I've had to go to the past or overseas to find it again, because everything from Rings of Power to Wheel of Time to the last two godawful adaptations of King Arthur on television--Cursed and Winter King--are fixated on sucking on Martin's sagging, procrastinator balls.

So anyone else reading the new Conan book from Titan? First two issues I’ve enjoyed quite a bit. It’s nice to get a book that doesn’t feel like overpriced tissue paper lol.

The new Conan is GREAT. We're really spoiled with Hyperborean Age content right now; Ablaze has their Cimmerian anthology series in France, and now that the Black-Haired Barbarian is free from the clutches of Marvel, the new talent and artist can depict his adventures with the raw, unbridled machismo and testosterone they require.

Titan is also reprinting all of the old black-and-white Savage Sword of Conan comics in deluxe hardcover. All they have to do is reprint the Dark Horse stuff, and we'll have all eras and styles of Conan accounted for in market accessibility.

 

[UCT]

Thank you for letting me know I had no idea they were doing that! That’s so fucking awesome! Getting away from Marvel is always a positive these days. Didn’t help that I think the last Conan run they had was being written by that retard Jason Aaron.

 

[ChampFantana]

I have the entire run of Savage Sword. Great stuff. I'm a little wary of checking out the new Conan stuff though, because how many times can someone adapt Tower of The Elephant, or The Frost Giant's Daughter?