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I have the entire run of Savage Sword. Great stuff. I'm a little wary of checking out the new Conan stuff though, because how many times can someone adapt Tower of The Elephant, or The Frost Giant's Daughter?
I read an interview with Jim Zubb, the guy writing the Titan Comics, and he claimed that they're aiming to tell new stories in the vein of the Robert E Howard pulps and Roy Thomas Savage Sword comics, and leave most of the "adaptation" responsibilities to Ablaze and their Cimmerian series, since they don't want to crowd the market with multiple adaptations.
 
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You'd think it's obvious, but allot of people viewed Martin et al as some great source. I'd throw on his dark matter by pullman. Why does it more feel like reading an encyclopedia at times than a great work of Fantasy?

Thank you for letting me know I had no idea they were doing that! That’s so fucking awesome! Getting away from Marvel is always a positive these days. Didn’t help that I think the last Conan run they had was being written by that retard Jason Aaron.

Yeah, I'm not reading Jason Aaron. I find allot of times people have zero historical context that praise writers like Aaron who took the five minutes to read prior stuff.

It doesn't help that in addition to being at best competent he's petty and thin skinned. I still remember that Avengers run everyone raved about that was generic as fuck with decent ed Mcguiness art. You wanna know what I thought after the She-hulk cry-a-thon? Not outrage, not contempt. No I legit was sitting there thinking, how did Ed bring himself to draw this shit? What pride does he have that he'd draw something like this?

I have the entire run of Savage Sword. Great stuff. I'm a little wary of checking out the new Conan stuff though, because how many times can someone adapt Tower of The Elephant, or The Frost Giant's Daughter?

Well, as long as it's good? I suppose the appeal is to update with modern art and techniques. So it, for me at least, is a question of whether you have someone on the level of Barry Smith.
 
Yeah, I'm not reading Jason Aaron. I find allot of times people have zero historical context that praise writers like Aaron who took the five minutes to read prior stuff.
Jason Aaron is the entire reason I cut off my X-Men continuity after Second Coming. I soldiered through a lot of bad writer runs while getting into the X-books--Liefeld, Morrison, Milligan, Brubaker, Fraction--but nothing they introduced compared to the horrendous, flat-out unreadable damage that Aaron inflicted on the characters & world courtesy of Schism, WATXM, and that fucking godawful AvX event. And this is all before he'd turn his creatively destructive gaze onto Thor, the Avengers, and ultimately, the Punisher.

People love to winge and whine about how Marvel went to shit when all the "woke" writers got there, but I'd argue things went pear-shaped a lot sooner than that, thanks to this chunder-brained cesspool of bad ideas. I don't think there's a single person who did more damage to Marvel as we know it than Jason Aaron. He is easily the worst writer with the widest reach of disastrous influence that has ever walked through that office.
 
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Just curious, what is the general opinion on Todd McFarlene?

I'm at the point where he was working on Spider-Man, and my inexperienced comic reader mind thinks his stuff is really good.

Is that actually a garbage take or?

I'd say watch/listen to this video and make your own mind about McFarlane. He talks about Spider-Man there.
His stubborn boldness and knack for seizing opportunities beyond his artistic talent, to me, are undeniable.




And when there's some sort of praise for McFarlane (a hack for some),
there's always room for shitting on Rob Liefeld (a CERTIFIED hack).
I also think you will find this documentary interesting, hope it helps.

 
I feel like Rob Liefeld was never a hack. He’s a hard worker and typical wrote fun schlocky garbage, but I wouldn’t call him a hack. He wrote pulp fiction, hacks are the British writers who thought they were elevating the medium when they really just used comics as an advertisement for their shitty novels.
 
Liefeld's hack status was proven when it became apparent that he only works when he has someone basically tard wrangling him HARD, be it the Kessels having to redraw a chunk of his Hawk and Dove work with them during the inking process to Fabian Nicieza having to literally play tard wrangler and make his ideas somewhat coherent when writing X-Force.

The fact that he completely fucked up Youngblood, a series with SO MUCH POTENTIAL in terms of having shit that Millar would do in Ultimates (super heroes as government agents with media promotion) and Milligan (supe heroes as celebrities) would do in X-Force/Xstatic, only to 100% drop the ball on it, shows that he's at best someone who works only with someone watching over him to keep his sloth and hackery in check,

Jason Aaron is the entire reason I cut off my X-Men continuity after Second Coming. I soldiered through a lot of bad writer runs while getting into the X-books--Liefeld, Morrison, Milligan, Brubaker, Fraction--but nothing they introduced compared to the horrendous, flat-out unreadable damage that Aaron inflicted on the characters & world courtesy of Schism, WATXM, and that fucking godawful AvX event. And this is all before he'd turn his creatively destructive gaze onto Thor, the Avengers, and ultimately, the Punisher.

People love to winge and whine about how Marvel went to shit when all the "woke" writers got there, but I'd argue things went pear-shaped a lot sooner than that, thanks to this chunder-brained cesspool of bad ideas. I don't think there's a single person who did more damage to Marvel as we know it than Jason Aaron. He is easily the worst writer with the widest reach of disastrous influence that has ever walked through that office.

While the bulk of his work was dogshit, I'll defend W&TX and AVX, as it was Aaron trying DESPERATELY to course correct the franchise destroying Rightclops/X-Men as liberal fascist Nazis tide that was swelling under Fraction and Gillen and would errupt like a volcano after Bendis took over the main X-Books and fucked over Aaron HARD aftter AVX. Especially after Aaron overruled Bendis demanding no 50th Anniversary X-Over for the X-Men because he "didn't want to acknowledge Aaron's book after shitting all over Uncanny Avengers" and only agreeing to do the X-Over if he got full custody of Shadowcat, which royally fucked over W&TX to such a degree that the book never recovered.
 
While the bulk of his work was dogshit, I'll defend W&TX and AVX, as it was Aaron trying DESPERATELY to course correct the franchise destroying Rightclops/X-Men as liberal fascist Nazis tide that was swelling under Fraction and Gillen and would errupt like a volcano after Bendis took over the main X-Books and fucked over Aaron HARD aftter AVX. Especially after Aaron overruled Bendis demanding no 50th Anniversary X-Over for the X-Men because he "didn't want to acknowledge Aaron's book after shitting all over Uncanny Avengers" and only agreeing to do the X-Over if he got full custody of Shadowcat, which royally fucked over W&TX to such a degree that the book never recovered.
What exactly were Aaron's original intentions for Schism, then? Because the conflict between Cyclops and Wolverine in that storyline was fucking ridiculous. And there wasn't anyone like Bendis twisting his arm after that. I have a hard time believing anyone outside of Aaron was responsible for that atrocious exercise in character assassination and flagrant Wolverine fanboyism.

I also don't think it was editorial or cross-creator circumstance that made WATX read like pop-culture referenc-laden, memeified Big Bang Theory garbage. No one was pressing a gun to Aaron's heads to conceive dialogue that poor or characterizations that horrendous.
 
You really only need one page from WatXM as the rest is complete dreck.
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What exactly were Aaron's original intentions for Schism, then? Because the conflict between Cyclops and Wolverine in that storyline was fucking ridiculous. And there wasn't anyone like Bendis twisting his arm after that. I have a hard time believing anyone outside of Aaron was responsible for that atrocious exercise in character assassination and flagrant Wolverine fanboyism.

I also don't think it was editorial or cross-creator circumstance that made WATX read like pop-culture referenc-laden, memeified Big Bang Theory garbage. No one was pressing a gun to Aaron's heads to conceive dialogue that poor or characterizations that horrendous.

Schism was basically the continued evolution of Logan as elder statesman of the X-Men and true poster child for Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistence with Logan being the one who calls out that Scott was using emotionally damaged kids as child soldiers and explicitly having them murder people for him; something Scott was already getting shit over with X-Force due to Logan being explicitly pissed that Scott forced him against his will to take on Warpath, Wolfsbane, and X23 onto Logan's wetworks team.

W&TX brought back the school and Quentin Quires, which granted fucked over Hellion (who was created because creators for a while were embargoed from bringing Quentin back due to the litany of unresolved shit involving his parentage, whether or not Magneto murdered him, and connection to the Phoenix Force), gave us the Shadowcat/Iceman pairing which pissed Bendis off so badly that he turned Bobby into a faggot to wholesale salt the earth with the coupling, pushed Broo (who was a nice outsider character), and gave us a Hellfire Club revival that was an actual serious threat AND stuck around for more than 2-3 issues tops.
 
Schism was basically the continued evolution of Logan as elder statesman of the X-Men and true poster child for Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistence
Wolverine has never been the poster child for Xavier's dream, even once. He's never even led the X-Men, or has contributed anything to the moral dilemma of the X-Men outside of being a combatant. He's almost always been the outsider, and during the Claremont Era, was usually the first one willing to take fatal measures. You could literally take a shot every time other characters had to hold him back from straight up killing the opponents they were up against, and him expressing disappointment or reluctance when he ultimately restrains himself. That's the polar opposite of Xavier's dream, and virtually nothing he does in his solo comics, or in the main ensemble titles in the 90's or 2000's changes that, or drops hints that he's changing to be more pacifistic like Xavier. I have no idea where that started for Schism to continue from--it just comes out of left field. Just like everything else from that retarded fucking story arc.

with Logan being the one who calls out that Scott was using emotionally damaged kids as child soldiers
You mean like the New Mutants? Which Logan helped mentor himself? Twice?

Something Scott was already getting shit over with X-Force due to Logan being explicitly pissed that Scott forced him against his will to take on Warpath, Wolfsbane, and X23 onto Logan's wetworks team.
That would only be valid if most of those characters being on the X-Force were at all relevant to the conflict of Schism....and it isn't. Warpath and Wolfsbane aren't children...they're adults. Wolfsbane was already established as a grown woman in the 2000's New Mutants comics (which you can even see in the way she interacts with the new characters of that book), and Warpath, well...if you wanna argue that a 7-foot tall 350lbs Native American behemoth can be classified as a "child", you're certainly welcome to. The reason why their inclusion is at all a point of contention is the trauma both of them have suffered in the past--Rahne with her wolf powers, Warpath with the death of his older brother. Logan says all of this in the first issue of the series, and also hints that he wants to shield them from the world of killing that comes with the black ops nature of X-Force's missions. That just leaves X23, and Logan's initial protest to her being on the team wasn't that she was too young, but because he wasn't convinced she had the agency to decide for herself as a sheltered lab experiment ("She doesn't know how to choose" is the exact phrase he uses). The only character who qualifies as a child is Elixir, and even then, not only is he barely older than any of the New Mutants characters being recruited by Cable for the original X-Force (which I guess Logan slept through when it comes to his penchant against "child soldiers), but Elixir also elected to take every measure to make sure his time on X-Force wouldn't corrupt or change him as a person, in a move that impresses Logan so much that he himself says that he wants Elixir to stay on the team.

Now, you can argue that's a problem, but that still only amounts to one actual child being on X-Force, which flies in the face of Schism trying to make it sound like Scott recruiting children is some kind of widespread problem. But of course, Jason Aaron didn't read any of that shit when he concocted the main premise for Scism, and suddenly Wolverine's entire raison d'etre.

I'd be shocked if he was even aware that Cable had more children on his initial X-Force Team than Cyclops recruited in any of the field teams during the Decimation Era.

W&TX brought back the school
Both New Mutants (Vol 2) and New X-Men Academy X brought back the school before Aaron. And did it better.

Both times.
 
>friend tells me that the current X-Men shit is amazing and will get me back into comics
>it’s a bad rip of of an Isekai premise and then becomes very gay intersectionality politics

They really need to stop pandering to Twitter people and the Pete’s of the world.
 
>friend tells me that the current X-Men shit is amazing and will get me back into comics
>it’s a bad rip of of an Isekai premise and then becomes very gay intersectionality politics

They really need to stop pandering to Twitter people and the Pete’s of the world.
I fell for that trap, too. Don't do it.

Stay away. Stay the FUCK AWAY from the current X-Men titles. The Krakoan Era is ass cancer of the highest order. Nothing interesting ever happens, the characters are empty accessories to some high concept sci-fi shit where they have zero agency...it's like the Morrison Era, but somehow worse, and with annual prom dances.
 
Why the fuck is almost every indie comic some variation of I got my dick sucked/ tried drugs/ dated a BPD woman/ had a Gay experience in my twenties/ at camp/ in college.

It’s either that or some guy that obsessed with lesbians that’d makes weeb yurifag spit in them in disgust.

I know Comicsgate alluded to some group of fags Gatekeeping Marvel and DC, but is it like SciFi where at every level there is someone who exists to either discourage you and report your shit off Amazon?
 
>Fall of X is a far more interesting read than anything in the krakoa era of X-Men.

honestly the krakoa era lingered too long. i recall hearing that it's marvel editorial's fault or sth. Anyways I'll give them that Orchis is at least an interesting enough antagonist they've been building up.
 
honestly the krakoa era lingered too long. i recall hearing that it's marvel editorial's fault or sth.
I'll always defend the Krakoa era, in so far as I find the core story and books very interesting, the most interesting the X-Men have been in a long, long time (aside from small flare ups of quality like Remender's Uncanny X-Force).
The thing is that Hickman, Gillen, Ewing, and Percy wrote their books under Hickman's idea of a morally compromised paradise and the increasingly corrupt games of power the leaders and key actors were playing; Spurrier and LaValle explored characters trying to navigate the moral loopholes and unintended consequences of the new nation, culture, and status quo; but Duggan, Ayala, Howard, Orlando, and everyone else were writing it all at face value, like "it's a paradise and it's awesome and we want to play with it for as long as we can".

And their plans to keep playing with it derailed Hickman's planned structure; editorial chose to keep it rolling (I mean, it's selling, why stop), and Hickman whipped up a compressed version of what he had planned, and bailed, leaving the rest of the story hanging loose and kinda directionless. Gillen has done well sort of guiding the main story since, but still.

I'll repeat myself a bit, but the core books (X-Men, Immortal, SWORD/Red, X-Force, the Legion ones) and in general the events have ranged from decent to great, while the peripheral books (New Mutants, Marauders, all of Howard's Betsy Cap Britain books, etc) have ranged from just decent to fucking shit, and leave the whole thing tasting pretty bad.
 
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