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jspit2.0 said:
He RAGE quit Marvel after a terrible experience. So either they offered him something he wanted but they would never give him or he needed some quick easy cash....
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Given the recent few years, I can see that. Hoping his work's at least enjoyable enough.
jspit2.0 said:
Also, in what world does Aaron Not have an agenda?
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IDK I remember Aaron's Thor and Avengers runs being kinda goyslop. Was there an agenda? I recall he made prehistoric Starbrand homosexual but it's a Starbrand. Who really gives a fuck about that legacy.
jspit2.0 said:
I wonder. You know. He probably loathes having OMD be his legacy on Spidey, given JoeQ screwed it up.



Ha. future Comics deserves I guess.
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I can imagine seething over OMD being your big creative legacy. At that point, you're more reviled than Liefeld.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
For some reason I always mix up Jason Aaron with Daniel Way. I don't like either of them.
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Aaron is an adequate writer who in a healthy industry MIGHT have written some filler issues on Aquaman. I say might have, because he would have been fired for literally wasting whole issues RANTING against fans for saying things he didn't like...

Tor Lugosi said:
JMS can be decent but I'm guessing he needs to be tard wrangled very, very hard.
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The opposite. Love him or hate him, his work usually, Squadron Supreme AMS, was ruined by editorial, not the other way around.

Alexander Thaut said:
hope JMS follows with an undoing of OMD
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JoeQ has to basically die along with everyone he hired for that. Either that or Disney come down and realizes OMD exists. Which is hilarious on MULTIPLE levels.

Imagine Cebulski having to EXPLAIN OMD to a studio exec.

Alexander Thaut said:
Given the recent few years, I can see that. Hoping his work's at least enjoyable enough.
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On AMS, pretty much the first three years were him. Which, he did the totems, made MJ more of an actress with her own story, and got Peter a real job as a teacher.

Then editorial started, Sins was supposed to have the kids be Peter and Gwen's and Norman taking that last remnant of Peter's first love and warping it. Then he had to adjust to Bendis on NA, then Civil War and Millar having Peter reveal his identity, side with Iron Man, then switch sides...all leading to OMD, which he didn't want as his ending. At the same time, his beloved SS run was neutered by being forced off the adult label so he and Gary Frank dropped it mid arc. Finally, they gave him Thor. A defunct book that wasn't known as a sales hit. He brought it back, reinvented the setting, and it quickly became one of the biggest books on the market; all with the promise NO CROSSOVERS. He didn't have to deal with Bendis, Thor in some other book making character breaking decisions....then JoeQ and company tried to make him take part in Siege and that was that. He quit.

I'm not saying he's never bad, his Superman 'run' wasn't very good (to be fair he was on four issues before he got sick and dropped out). But for his level of talent to come back and do monthlies is huge.

Alexander Thaut said:
IDK I remember Aaron's Thor and Avengers runs being kinda goyslop. Was there an agenda? I recall he made prehistoric Starbrand homosexual but it's a Starbrand. Who really gives a fuck about that legacy.
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Well, with Thor, yes. Avengers came about more out of the attempt to right the ship and it reeks of it. Aaron's writing reeks of SJW. And he's one of those guys who likes BIG cosmic plots mistaking them for being intelligent.

I resent more his lack of capacity then his agenda.

Alexander Thaut said:
I can imagine seething over OMD being your big creative legacy. At that point, you're more reviled than Liefeld.
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I think he'd like to nuke it, but barring that, just being able to write something other than it to get the taste out of his mouth might help.
 
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Well, with Thor, yes. Avengers came about more out of the attempt to right the ship and it reeks of it. Aaron's writing reeks of SJW. And he's one of those guys who likes BIG cosmic plots mistaking them for being intelligent.

I resent more his lack of capacity then his agenda.
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Yeah I view big cosmic plots as spectacles. It's not intelligent, but it's fine. I do think he tends to make it sound like he might consider himself more self-important than he should be, because half of his Thor run kept feeling like he was trying to worldbuild shit that was established and didn't make nearly as good of a use of Thor's extended supporting cast as he could have.

Like, from that whole era, I remember Cullen Bunn's Valkyrie in Fearless Defenders/Asgardians of the Galaxy more than anything in the Thor books. Bunn gave a classic C lister a fair sendoff.

Anyways I think the premise behind Aaron's stuff is fine. It's fun stuff, until you get to the execution. Give the shit he worked on to any better writer. Fuck. I'd probably even take Bendis over Aaron. Aaron's Avengers run was based on a really epic premise that just felt like it was fizzling out after the first arc.

honestly these guys could learn from the big cosmic plots that worked. it ain't hard to just have a fun story.
 
jspit2.0 said:
JoeQ has to basically die along with everyone he hired for that. Either that or Disney come down and realizes OMD exists. Which is hilarious on MULTIPLE levels.

Imagine Cebulski having to EXPLAIN OMD to a studio exec.
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DISNEY knows about OMD and one of their demands when they bought Marvel, that had to be done in exchange for Marvel to stay autonomous was "fix" OMD.

Which led to the abortion known as One Moment In Time (or OMIT) which "solved" the issue by making the entire deal be one between MJ and Mephisto and Peter an unknowing proxy since Mephisto knew Peter would never sell out the marriage to save Aunt May unless MJ EXPLICITLY consented to the deal to give up the marriage to save May's life. Which Disney tacitly accepted.

Note that the third Holland Spiderman film was explicitly stated as being inspired by OMD.
 
MirrorNoir said:
DISNEY knows about OMD and one of their demands when they bought Marvel, that had to be done in exchange for Marvel to stay autonomous was "fix" OMD.

Which led to the abortion known as One Moment In Time (or OMIT) which "solved" the issue by making the entire deal be one between MJ and Mephisto and Peter an unknowing proxy since Mephisto knew Peter would never sell out the marriage to save Aunt May unless MJ EXPLICITLY consented to the deal to give up the marriage to save May's life. Which Disney tacitly accepted.

Note that the third Holland Spiderman film was explicitly stated as being inspired by OMD.
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No way home was as inspired by OMD as Civil War was by the Millar Comic.

But I take the point. I would imagine had they POSSESSED the rights to Spidey on the silver screen they wouldn't have been as cool with it. At least, I'd hope not.
 
You know how I've often defended the Krakoa era, and how I've said I generally like Spurrier's work? I still do, and still will, but I have to say the retcon from X-Men Blue Origins by Spurrier is FUCKING RETARDED

In case you don't know, it reveals that Mystique is Nighcrawler's dad and Destiny is his mom. This, in itself, doesn't bother me that much. I've never doubted that Mystique could turn into a man and fuck a woman. The idea that she can modify her internal organs in order to produce sperm and get a woman pregnant is pushing it a bit, because it has larger implications about what she can do her own biology, but OK, I'll accept it. But the big dumb part of this is that she's revealed to be not a shapeshifter, but a GENE SHIFTER, she can change down to the genetic level. And she can pass down someone else's genes to her offspring through gene mimicry. THAT'S FUCKING STUPID.

They do this to explain how Kurt has Azazel's powers despite Azazel (and I guess the Wagner guy) has no actual relation with Kurt. It'd be one thing if they'd said that Mystique took his, uh, genetic material and used it to impregnate Irene with her mutant futa dick, but no, that's not what they did. She had an affair with Azazel, under Destiny's orders, so she could imitate Azazel's genes when getting Irene pregnant.

And why? In-story, because Destiny had a vision that Azazel (fucking Azazel, of all people) would somehow conquer the world and kill all the heroes unless he was distracted by believing he had a son that could usurp him, so she manipulated Mystique into all of the above, so they could create Kurt (and even arranged to have him stolen by Margali Szardos). In the real world? To canonize one of Claremont's degenerate fantasies.

Anyway, this is all fucking retarded because of the implications, now Mystique can produce anyone's genes if she has access to them? Can she frame anyone for a crime or something with her gene-shifted blood? Can she produce genetic material of anyone (or anything, for that matter) for cloning? Can she access anyone's powers by mimicking their genes? (there's a data page about it, "oh she may be an omega shifter", fuck off).

Fucking ridiculous.
 
@Nick Obre Yurifags are fucking retarded and insane.

I don’t get the appeal of Destiny, having the world be deterministic is god awful even if you want to be a metafag about fiction, or Mystique. They seem to ruin the setting with how much the writers bend stories to fit them.

Like Mystique depending on the writer can and can’t be detected by Mutant detectors. Destiny is so sure of the future that she vaguely always kind of wins.
 
Weren't Mystique and Destiny who Claremont had wanted to be Nightcrawlers parents? And the rest is, I guess, an attempt at explaining away the Azrael shit caused by Chuck Austen that, from what I remember, literally nobody in the entire universe was a fan of.
 
@Nick Obre

That is what you get by reading not only capeshit but the worst kind: X-Men comics. The most botched simple idea to ever exist with more retcons than an editor career.

Also I wish JMS would come back to Squadron Supreme and ignore everything else and just continue his story. I seriously believe that is the best 00's marvel story and better than Ultimates in concept, execution and everything else.

Gonna read the new batman 89 comic, I enjoyed the first one even when most people didnt.

Edit: finished the first issue and it was alright, I am quite curious to see how this happened, did not like the timeskip very much since it will probably ignore Robin. Looks like it will be Harley and Scarecrow as the villains
 
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HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
@Nick Obre Yurifags are fucking retarded and insane.

I don’t get the appeal of Destiny, having the world be deterministic is god awful even if you want to be a metafag about fiction, or Mystique. They seem to ruin the setting with how much the writers bend stories to fit them.

Like Mystique depending on the writer can and can’t be detected by Mutant detectors. Destiny is so sure of the future that she vaguely always kind of wins.
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Destiny's appeal was that she was a cool old woman who just so happened to be a super villain and who was explicitly written as Mystique's tardy wrangler that kept her in line, to the point that it was explicitly stated multiple times that Raven would not have done half the beyond the pale shit she did after Irene's death if she was still alive.

Also, in defense of Destiny, in current year stories, she basically got resurrected into bizarre world where Xavier is a full on Nazi running a racist ethnostate that is on the verge of a velvet glove coup over the planet. And Moira wants her dead for something that happened in another timeline, Rogue married one of Sinister's henchmen, AND every future hase Raven dying horribly. It's miracle she hasn't personally an heroed herself given the current state of things being what they are.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Destiny's appeal was that she was a cool old woman who just so happened to be a super villain and who was explicitly written as Mystique's tardy wrangler that kept her in line, to the point that it was explicitly stated multiple times that Raven would not have done half the beyond the pale shit she did after Irene's death if she was still alive.

Also, in defense of Destiny, in current year stories, she basically got resurrected into bizarre world where Xavier is a full on Nazi running a racist ethnostate that is on the verge of a velvet glove coup over the planet. And Moira wants her dead for something that happened in another timeline, Rogue married one of Sinister's henchmen, AND every future hase Raven dying horribly. It's miracle she hasn't personally an heroed herself given the current state of things being what they are.
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Yeah but she knew it was all gonna happen, and that's why she gave Mystique the explicit order to get her resurrected once it happened. None of it is a surprise to her.

As for Gambit, well
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HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
@Nick Obre Yurifags are fucking retarded and insane.

I don’t get the appeal of Destiny, having the world be deterministic is god awful even if you want to be a metafag about fiction, or Mystique. They seem to ruin the setting with how much the writers bend stories to fit them.

Like Mystique depending on the writer can and can’t be detected by Mutant detectors. Destiny is so sure of the future that she vaguely always kind of wins.
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Half of Joss Whedon's rabid fanbase I'm convinced are these people. It's a cuck fetish.
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@Nick Obre

That is what you get by reading not only capeshit but the worst kind: X-Men comics. The most botched simple idea to ever exist with more retcons than an editor career.

Also I wish JMS would come back to Squadron Supreme and ignore everything else and just continue his story. I seriously believe that is the best 00's marvel story and better than Ultimates in concept, execution and everything else.

Gonna read the new batman 89 comic, I enjoyed the first one even when most people didnt.

Edit: finished the first issue and it was alright, I am quite curious to see how this happened, did not like the timeskip very much since it will probably ignore Robin. Looks like it will be Harley and Scarecrow as the villains
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Considering NEITHER are either the best Marvel or best comics story of the 00s, that's not much of an achievements.

Fuck me, Ultimates? Not even top one hundred. And SS maybe cracks the top 50 if you're being optimistic.

MirrorNoir said:
Destiny's appeal was that she was a cool old woman who just so happened to be a super villain and who was explicitly written as Mystique's tardy wrangler that kept her in line, to the point that it was explicitly stated multiple times that Raven would not have done half the beyond the pale shit she did after Irene's death if she was still alive.

Also, in defense of Destiny, in current year stories, she basically got resurrected into bizarre world where Xavier is a full on Nazi running a racist ethnostate that is on the verge of a velvet glove coup over the planet. And Moira wants her dead for something that happened in another timeline, Rogue married one of Sinister's henchmen, AND every future hase Raven dying horribly. It's miracle she hasn't personally an heroed herself given the current state of things being what they are.
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I like that Destiny has essentially become the x-fag audience from what you describe for the last 20 odd years, trapped in a living hell of hackery. Can you imagine explaining the last twenty years to a reader from '95?

"And before Xavier became a mutant supremacist he was murdered by Scott and had his brain put in the red skull...the OG X-men came back and Bobby Drake was somehow gay. Before that All the mutants were almost wiped out because Scarlett Witch muttered a word, and before that Grant Morrison wrote them. Speaking of, let me pull out the Xorn chart..."
 
I mean, cool that they're just letting Claremont's whackass fetish idea be canon. Don't care much but it's kinda pointless to powerscale Mystique this much. Like, at least make this power level boost come with caveats because it creates a fuckton of issues when using her in the future. You know, one of the most prevalent mutant villains around (and mercenary and occasional antivillain).

Destiny's fine. I do think it's interesting seeing how more stable Mystique's been since Destiny came back. I do wish the krakoa era was tighter-written so we could see Moira's inner workings better than "oh yeah she's probably royally mentally fucked because of living through 9 timelines of really screwed up shit that got worse."


Also you're telling me Orchis has done all this shit? We've been getting hints for years that SHIELD was onto something fucked up in the bg. Why not tie that into this as well? (Yeah, look at the Nick Fury solo stories that've popped up here and there for the last 7-8 years.)


G.O.D.S. feels like Hickman really trying to do more cosmic stuff, but I feel like it's going to get messed up by either editorial or retarded hacks that want Hickman to slow down his story to use the new status quo he introduces.
 
oh neat we have a comic's thread

I'm taking pictures of pages, the review for isom will probably be short because the book itself is short. I'm surprised I have as much to say about it as I do.
 
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