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that's so eye-rolling r/Atheism incarnate. surprised he hasnt started talking about Rick & Morty
I don't think it's coming from the same place as the online atheist stuff (blessedly, Moore, like my fave Garth Ennis, seems to be almost entirely offline). Also Moore (unlike Ennis lol) has never really made anti-religiousness his thing, in fact I'm struggling to think of a Moore book that's really taken a shot at religion (I think Halo Jones got involved in a religious war at one point? Wasn't there something about Kryptonian fundamentalists in For The Man Who Has Everything? I'm sure I'm missing something).

It just reads like a bit of harmless silliness to me, in line with that cheerfully anarchic sense of humor that 2000AD at its best was all about. God I loved that comic so much.
 
Was hoping the thread could help solve a mystery for me. When I was a kid I had a couple issues of a Dark Horse comic where these brain like creatures with tentacles were taking over bodies. It was in a jungle I think. This ring a bell for anyone?
 
I don't think it's coming from the same place as the online atheist stuff (blessedly, Moore, like my fave Garth Ennis, seems to be almost entirely offline). Also Moore (unlike Ennis lol) has never really made anti-religiousness his thing
I'm inclined to give Garth Ennis a pass, honestly. Man grew up in the midst of the troubles, surrounded by sectarian violence. He's entitled to be a bit anti-religious if he wants to be, given where he grew up.
 
as a long time Jay fan, a part of his backstory for the past decades was that he and his wife couldn't have kids, so they'd especially take care of the likes of Bart Allen (Impulse) and all the other kid heroes that came by, like the grandparents of the JSA/cape community.

It's nice to see Jay finally get his greatest wish.

On the other hand, why they gotta make Alan fucking gay, holy shit. You have 500+ golden age heroes and you pick one that's had an established family, kids, and went to hell to save the soul of his wife. (Who was the original Harlequin and was sorta his own catwoman type deal.)


The Stargirl series was interesting. I hope they follow up with the Golden Age Mister Miracle and Aquaman stuff at least. I'm very curious to see what Geoff Johns is going to pull with the golden age aquaman suddenly existing as a seperate thing.


Also the JSA book is kinda whack. We have Helena Wayne back and all she does is look at Bruce and gives him a sorta ominous warning. Jeez.
Yeah that Jay mini is pretty soild. With Johns leaving DC for Ghost Machine, I don't know if the Golden Age Aquaman is going to amount to anything
 
oh yeah tom strong's kinda similar to Reed, but with a weird mix of Superman and Doc Savage.

Eh, I see the Tom Strong stuff as innocuous fun. The racemix doesn't bug me as much since it's just kinda the trope of "oh yeah pulp explorer marries a different race" shit. Besides, he grew up on that island and etc.

What is kinda sad is that Moore ragequit doing Tom Strong stuff after he found out DC bought ABC.

Considering he literally reused unused Liefeld scripts from Awesome it's not a surprise it seemed a hodgepodge. He was literally reselling his leftover to DC.

Popping in to say that the Jay Garrick: The Flash miniseries is one of the best series I've read in awhile. The art is amazing. The writing is solid. I can't really fault it for anything (please note that I'm not a lore nerd, so retconning Flash's origin doesn't affect me at all). It really is an overall great follow-up to the Star Girl miniseries from last year.

It kindof like the Wally West run before Dan Didio brought back Barry if they had actually tried to make it work.
Though I feel like it's a matter of time before DC ruins any character.

as a long time Jay fan, a part of his backstory for the past decades was that he and his wife couldn't have kids, so they'd especially take care of the likes of Bart Allen (Impulse) and all the other kid heroes that came by, like the grandparents of the JSA/cape community.

It's nice to see Jay finally get his greatest wish.

On the other hand, why they gotta make Alan fucking gay, holy shit. You have 500+ golden age heroes and you pick one that's had an established family, kids, and went to hell to save the soul of his wife. (Who was the original Harlequin and was sorta his own catwoman type deal.)

Alan is the one that makes the least sense. Married, two kids. But let's get real. The narcissism that insists everything must be a celebration bonanza of faggotry isn't going away. No one knows Wildcat etc. But Green Lantern was big at the time. So there.

Also the JSA book is kinda whack. We have Helena Wayne back and all she does is look at Bruce and gives him a sorta ominous warning. Jeez.

Speaking of straight characters turned to faggotry....
 
lan is the one that makes the least sense. Married, two kids. But let's get real. The narcissism that insists everything must be a celebration bonanza of faggotry isn't going away. No one knows Wildcat etc. But Green Lantern was big at the time. So there.
I know they did it because the N52 Earth-2 Alan was gay.


Honestly it's telling that they can't boost a character on their own and have to rewrite/hijack something else, then cope when they get criticism.

I'd say Hawkman/Wildcat are the other recognizable JSA members. Hawkman's a recognizable C-lister and Wildcat's gotten screentime in the toons.

Thinking about it, all of the original JSA have canonically had love interests/wives and most of them have had kids or etc. that went on to become relevant characters in some way. It'd have been a great time to dig through old but cool designs from the golden age. You have a few options, like Captain Triumph could have been a genuinely intriguing character since he's got a ghost of his brother with him all the time. He's also got the usual "brick" powerset that the US Gov. would find useful.

Or wanna go get someone that doesn't have powers? How about the original Firebrand? He was allegedly killed in pearl harbor or some shit, but the goverment could have secretly found him and then bam, you get your intrigue and someone who never really got any spotlight. He did wear a translucent shirt so he'd be a believable closet gay.

Etc. Alan just doesn't work all that well because the nigga had his own "catwoman" in Harlequin on top of falling in love with the original Rose and Thorn (a dual personality'd villain woman) and then she hid the kids from him.

Mind you, Harlequin's confirmed to exist in this continuity. Her son came back in the Stargirl event and iirc, he was supposed to be in the original Infinity Inc. as a very early gay superhero. Maybe they could have really just nabbed the Harlequin name as an IP (lmao they have Harley Quinn anyways) and then have a bunch of stories about Alan and co. trying to accept a gay stepson that they really want to understand and love. Have Harlequin's son get headbutting with Obsidian as the H-Son thinks the others see him differently due to being gay while Obsidian defends the older folks. Then have it turn out that Obsidian's powerset drawbacks are catching up to him again and have H-Son save him with the desire to just call him family.

And Alan? In the 2000s, the original JSA members were brought down to 4 (6 if you count Ma Hunkel coming back on top of Johnny Thunderbolt being a merger of Johnny and the Thunderbolt. 7 if you count Kendra Saunders memories).

THey divided the original 4. Jay was the dad, Ted was the rough trainer/coach/mentor, Carter was the. . . very conservatively minded uncle, and Alan was always called "the elder statesman".

I could see, in a decent writer's hands, a series filled with endearing witticisms and observations from the older folks as they admit they accept all of this, even if it seems like they may not. Have Jay and the others talk about some old golden age character that turned out to be gay. Link it up. Etc. It's not that hard to introduce things.

Hell, imagine the hilarity of the original golden aged Blue Beetle turning out to be gay.
Speaking of straight characters turned to faggotry....
You're kidding right? I remember her having a boyfriend/love interest.
 
@Alexander Thaut Tom...fucking king. in his miniseries I want to say she's in a relationship with a woman. I don't know, I memory holed that abomination.

Yes, she had multiple love interests. Harry Sims and Dick Grayson. All men. Canon lover of the peen. Same with Peeg. Not that that matters. If your Tom King, and you REALLY want to fuck over future writers from changing your shit?

Make it a chick and make her gay....
 
@Alexander Thaut Tom...fucking king. in his miniseries I want to say she's in a relationship with a woman. I don't know, I memory holed that abomination.

Yes, she had multiple love interests. Harry Sims and Dick Grayson. All men. Canon lover of the peen. Same with Peeg. Not that that matters. If your Tom King, and you REALLY want to fuck over future writers from changing your shit?

Make it a chick and make her gay....
didn't he ruin Jon Kent. I feel like everyone I know that's spoken about comics has grumbled about how they ruined shit by fucking up Jon and removing the super sons in general.
 
Was hoping the thread could help solve a mystery for me. When I was a kid I had a couple issues of a Dark Horse comic where these brain like creatures with tentacles were taking over bodies. It was in a jungle I think. This ring a bell for anyone?
Doesn't sound familiar. I did a quick google search and not much came up. Are you sure it was dark horse?
 
Was hoping the thread could help solve a mystery for me. When I was a kid I had a couple issues of a Dark Horse comic where these brain like creatures with tentacles were taking over bodies. It was in a jungle I think. This ring a bell for anyone?
A) what decade were you a kid and B) was it a current comic book at that time or some older thing they reprinted maybe? I'm looking at the list of Dark Horse titles and while a lot of it's obvious (aliens, american splendor), I'm wondering if there's a site that lists titles along with summaries.
 
Don't look now, but Marvel just announced a new status quo for the X-Men, and all the pro-Krakoa fags online are fucking mad.

The salt spewing everywhere almost softens the pain of Rogue being stuck in the book written by Gail Simone. Almost.

Sigh.

Avoid Like the Plague: LOEG entirely, Promethea, Tom Strong, ABC Comics books in general; Big numbers, From Hell (controversial take), Lost girls,
I literally hit Control+F just to see if anyone would bring up Lost Girls in any capacity, and I'm not disappointed.

I bust a spleen laughing every time I remember that comic exists.
 
Don't look now, but Marvel just announced a new status quo for the X-Men, and all the pro-Krakoa fags online are fucking mad.

The salt spewing everywhere almost softens the pain of Rogue being stuck in the book written by Gail Simone. Almost.

Sigh.


I literally hit Control+F just to see if anyone would bring up Lost Girls in any capacity, and I'm not disappointed.

I bust a spleen laughing every time I remember that comic exists.
Gail Simone's cult of personality is as weird to me as that of Al Ewing
 
there are people who liked krakoa?
Same people who liked Morrison, I imagine--and by that, I mean people who like storylines that eschew drama or plot progression in favor of "world-building" and high-concept cerebral piss.

And just like Morrison, this new era looks to be backpedaling all of the pseudo-sci fi shit of the last five years in the interest of good taste.
 
Don't look now, but Marvel just announced a new status quo for the X-Men, and all the pro-Krakoa fags online are fucking mad.

The salt spewing everywhere almost softens the pain of Rogue being stuck in the book written by Gail Simone. Almost.

Sigh.


I literally hit Control+F just to see if anyone would bring up Lost Girls in any capacity, and I'm not disappointed.

I bust a spleen laughing every time I remember that comic exists.
Krakoa had its moments but was stretched out too long.

Honestly, shoulda compressed shit down. Maybe we could have had some heroes become villains and vice-versa.

Gorgon should never have been made to be in any kinda power. The dude was destructive. Same with Mr. Sinister and Shaw.

At least Apocalypse and a few other mutant villains could kinda get there under the excuse of "they can constructively co-exist" in some way.

Also the moment Xavier memory wiped Reed shoulda been indicative of something being seriously fucked up. Same with the Onslaught bit. It woulda been cool to see the mutants just slowly get darker due to Onslaught and the Shadow King's influence.

Hank McCoy's fall from grace wasn't that buyable.
 
there are people who liked krakoa?
Yes, me, a lot.

As it went on, more and more of the books turned shit, that is true.
But I really like what Hickman and later Gillen and Ewing did with their books. Some of the others were good too (Hellions, for one).

But god damn is Duggan fucking boring.

Gorgon should never have been made to be in any kinda power. The dude was destructive. Same with Mr. Sinister and Shaw.

At least Apocalypse and a few other mutant villains could kinda get there under the excuse of "they can constructively co-exist" in some way.

Also the moment Xavier memory wiped Reed shoulda been indicative of something being seriously fucked up.
That was the whole point of these things.

It sucks that a lot of it got dropped when the other writers wanted to keep the new status quo going, but early on, the intention of these moral compromises being the seeds of Krakoa's downfall was clear.
Hell, Sinister's betrayal was laid out as inevitable from the very start in HOX-POX, and then it paid off as expected in Sins of Sinister.

And on the note of Duggan, he dropped the "Reed's grudge" plot point recently. Resolved it in a "nah it's fine" kind of way. Because he's just that incompetent.
 
Alan Moore Tier List (Based on what I've read.)

Great Tier- Watchmen (It deserves all the praise it gets, even if Alan himself is a jackass about Rorschach)
League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Volumes 1&2 (I love those stories mostly for the writing, the art is pretty shitty.) Killing Joke (The only Batman comic I've ever bothered to purchase in physical form.)

Good Tier- V for Vendetta

Poop Tier- All of League after Volume Two, Neonomicon
 
JLA/Avengers is a book series that should not work at all, but in this case it work wonderfully.
Seeing Both JLA and Avengers fight and then work toghether is amazing and it is so much fun.
The great George Perez artwork is perfect. Clean and easy to follow what is going on.
You get great images like Darkseid with the Infinity Gauntlet:
darkseid.jpg

I am not familer with Kurt Busiek other work, but his writing here is great. It is a fun fun book.
The dedications and autism that went into this is wonderful.
 
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