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JLA/Avengers is a book series that should not work at all, but in this case it work wonderfully.
Seeing Both JLA and Avengers fight and then work toghether is amazing and it is so much fun.
The great George Perez artwork is perfect. Clean and easy to follow what is going on.
You get great images like Darkseid with the Infinity Gauntlet:
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I am not familer with Kurt Busiek other work, but his writing here is great. It is a fun fun book.
The dedications and autism that went into this is wonderful.
Busiek's a very big comics fanboy. He created Astro City, which is a love letter to the history of the superhero genre. His work on Avengers after they returned from Heroes Reborn was very fun to read and had George Perez on art as well.

He's a bit of a boomer, but his work seems to focus on characters with a long history when he writes for DC/Marvel iirc. I'd say he's usually worth checking out because he hasn't fried his brain on twitter like Mark Waid did.
 
@Alexander Thaut Tom...fucking king. in his miniseries I want to say she's in a relationship with a woman. I don't know, I memory holed that abomination.

Yes, she had multiple love interests. Harry Sims and Dick Grayson. All men. Canon lover of the peen. Same with Peeg. Not that that matters. If your Tom King, and you REALLY want to fuck over future writers from changing your shit?

Make it a chick and make her gay....
That glowie oughtta be thrown down a well, he’s involved in the “New DCU” headed by the pedophile. So expect more Tom King
I don't think it's coming from the same place as the online atheist stuff (blessedly, Moore, like my fave Garth Ennis, seems to be almost entirely offline). Also Moore (unlike Ennis lol) has never really made anti-religiousness his thing, in fact I'm struggling to think of a Moore book that's really taken a shot at religion (I think Halo Jones got involved in a religious war at one point? Wasn't there something about Kryptonian fundamentalists in For The Man Who Has Everything? I'm sure I'm missing something).

It just reads like a bit of harmless silliness to me, in line with that cheerfully anarchic sense of humor that 2000AD at its best was all about. God I loved that comic so much.
The Kryptonian Fundamentalists were just Clark’s mind trying to knock him out of his “fantasy” and a side effect of his dream becoming a nightmare as he started to ask questions.

Might’ve also been his brain/Black Mercy using stuff from Earth to make his dreamworld Krypton.
didn't he ruin Jon Kent. I feel like everyone I know that's spoken about comics has grumbled about how they ruined shit by fucking up Jon and removing the super sons in general.
Bendis and Tom Taylor are the ones who took the boy
 
Why exactly are people mad about the new X-Men teams?
From what I've seen, people say it feels a lot like the start of the Bendis/Aaron post-Schism era.

Wolverine leading the more or less traditional team and Cyke leading the edgy team. Now also Kitty and Emma leading a team of OCs.

Diverse OCs.
 
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From what I've seen, people say it feels a lot like the start of the Bendis/Aaron post-Schism era.

Wolverine leading the more or less traditional team and Cyke leading the edgy team. Now also Kitty and Emma leading a team of OCs.

Diverse OCs.
Is that Kwannon or Betsy in the middle?
 
Why exactly are people mad about the new X-Men teams?
Ignoring the issue of Gail Simone being let into the hen house after she sold her soul to wokeness, you have Godless faggot Nazis on the CBR board who want Krakoa to be the permanent status quo going forward because they get off on the idea of the perversion of the X-Men as a stand-in for a black/feminist/trans/gay Fourth Reich who can commit any and all atrocities they want against anyone who's ever so much as looked at them the wrong way, and get away with it 24-7.

To them, Krakoa can never fucking fail and the X-Men can never fucking go back to being outcasts and pariahs and (for lack of a better term) the niggers of the Marvel Universe who no one likes if not distrusts outside the few "uncle toms IE Wolverine, Firestar, Rogue), let alone living in the X-Mansion preaching coexistence and integration into society.

Is that Kwannon or Betsy in the middle?
Probably Revanche since Betsy as Captain Britain was a colossal failure on every possible level, to the point that the character has been rendered radioactive along with the entire Captain Britain concept due to Tini Howard's obsession with trying to bully/beg Feige to make Betsy the MCU Captain Britain.
 
Ignoring the issue of Gail Simone being let into the hen house after she sold her soul to wokeness, you have Godless faggot Nazis on the CBR board who want Krakoa to be the permanent status quo going forward because they get off on the idea of the perversion of the X-Men as a stand-in for a black/feminist/trans/gay Fourth Reich who can commit any and all atrocities they want against anyone who's ever so much as looked at them the wrong way, and get away with it 24-7.

To them, Krakoa can never fucking fail and the X-Men can never fucking go back to being outcasts and pariahs and (for lack of a better term) the niggers of the Marvel Universe who no one likes if not distrusts outside the few "uncle toms IE Wolverine, Firestar, Rogue), let alone living in the X-Mansion preaching coexistence and integration into society.
they really misunderstood Krakoa, didn't they?

I always saw Krakoa as something that was going to get fucked up by a combo of inner strife, anti-mutant groups, and poor choices. It's a house of cards, but still shows that some more good was possible. They just need to never trust Shaw/Sinister. . . ever.
 
Ignoring the issue of Gail Simone being let into the hen house after she sold her soul to wokeness, you have Godless faggot Nazis on the CBR board who want Krakoa to be the permanent status quo going forward because they get off on the idea of the perversion of the X-Men as a stand-in for a black/feminist/trans/gay Fourth Reich who can commit any and all atrocities they want against anyone who's ever so much as looked at them the wrong way, and get away with it 24-7.

To them, Krakoa can never fucking fail and the X-Men can never fucking go back to being outcasts and pariahs and (for lack of a better term) the niggers of the Marvel Universe who no one likes if not distrusts outside the few "uncle toms IE Wolverine, Firestar, Rogue), let alone living in the X-Mansion preaching coexistence and integration into society.
Well I hate the X-Men (it’s oppression porn and makes the rest of the marvel universe look bad) and Krakoa making them so detestable and outright villainous honestly works, they are better as villains.

Just like real minorities.
 
Well I hate the X-Men (it’s oppression porn and makes the rest of the marvel universe look bad) and Krakoa making them so detestable and outright villainous honestly works, they are better as villains.

Just like real minorities.
I think the X-Men, as heroes, kinda worked best as a sorta policemen for Mutants that kept them in check. Sure, they'd pop up for other superheroics, but having them keep the Magnetos of the world in check made their role in the marvel U to be more interesting. Plus it also lets them redeem villains or have heroes fall into evil.

Krakoa feels like it really shoulda had a cop-out at the end of it like "Shadow King exacerbated the darkness in them".

Besides, it doesn't quite line-up when the Krakoan era X-Men were on hand for major events like that one with Knull. They still were willing to go to bat for the world. I just wish they'd explored the ideas of "we should fight for the common good" versus the sentiment of "fuck them all, they didn't help us when we needed it" from the active X-Men. You'd think some of the revived ones would have some level of grudge over noone coming to save them. Wasn't Synch fucking crucified? Why not have him just be filled with anger and rage against the world and whatnot.
 
Krakoa feels like it really shoulda had a cop-out at the end of it like "Shadow King exacerbated the darkness in them".
I'm almost certain there was something like that intended at first, though not in terms of a villain mind-controlling people, but rather Krakoa itself having a general coercive psychological effect on mutants.
One of the first things Moira says in HOXPOX when talking about her power is that the womb has a sort of "baked-in bliss, zen via biology"
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Being in Krakoa would, by itself, nudge mutants towards complying with this new status quo, softening to them the moral transgressions they were collectively engaging in, which could be out of character for some.
Early on, some like Logan and Laura would express that things felt wrong, and that the island was lulling mutants into a false sense of security, making them soft.
Later, a plot point is that resurrection itself is causing mutants to disregard the value of life, and eroding their morality (which is exploited by Orchis by introducing a collective psychic parasite version of Onslaught).

Considering Moira's plan was ultimately to depower the mutants, maybe the original plotline included her engineering a situation where mutants got softer in their success by replicating the womb/mother/home's sense of safety, and eventually use that to slip them the depowering cure.

But then, none of was in the outline of Hickman's original plans that's been going around (I don't have them at hand but it was something about the Council falling to in-fighting, Mystique making good on her promise to burn everything down, Storm and T'Challa having a son that grows up in The World, etc), so my theorywank may be all wrong.

I just wish they'd explored the ideas of "we should fight for the common good" versus the sentiment of "fuck them all, they didn't help us when we needed it" from the active X-Men.
Bro the X-Men team was explicitly the "let's go help people" team, independently from the Krakoan authorities.
 
I think the X-Men, as heroes, kinda worked best as a sorta policemen for Mutants that kept them in check. Sure, they'd pop up for other superheroics, but having them keep the Magnetos of the world in check made their role in the marvel U to be more interesting. Plus it also lets them redeem villains or have heroes fall into evil.

Krakoa feels like it really shoulda had a cop-out at the end of it like "Shadow King exacerbated the darkness in them".

Besides, it doesn't quite line-up when the Krakoan era X-Men were on hand for major events like that one with Knull. They still were willing to go to bat for the world. I just wish they'd explored the ideas of "we should fight for the common good" versus the sentiment of "fuck them all, they didn't help us when we needed it" from the active X-Men. You'd think some of the revived ones would have some level of grudge over noone coming to save them. Wasn't Synch fucking crucified? Why not have him just be filled with anger and rage against the world and whatnot.

They sort of explained that in King in Black, by invoking the cash grab crossover between Venom and the timelost OG X-Men as to why the X-Men were involved there since they first hand saw the fuckery Knull and his spawn were up to.

Also, Hickman's endgame was going to involve permanently welding Black Panther to the X-Men by having Storm get pregnant with BP's bastard son and said son becoming King of the Mutants/Solar System. The vetoing of which is said to be one of the main reasons why Hickman left the X-Books, since his endgame hinged on BP/Storm's bastard coming in to save the day from the Phalanx.
 
They sort of explained that in King in Black, by invoking the cash grab crossover between Venom and the timelost OG X-Men as to why the X-Men were involved there since they first hand saw the fuckery Knull and his spawn were up to.

Also, Hickman's endgame was going to involve permanently welding Black Panther to the X-Men by having Storm get pregnant with BP's bastard son and said son becoming King of the Mutants/Solar System. The vetoing of which is said to be one of the main reasons why Hickman left the X-Books, since his endgame hinged on BP/Storm's bastard coming in to save the day from the Phalanx.
I've never really been into BP or X-Men but I think that would have worked better then Tony marrying Emma Frost.
 
I think the X-Men, as heroes, kinda worked best as a sorta policemen for Mutants that kept them in check. Sure, they'd pop up for other superheroics, but having them keep the Magnetos of the world in check made their role in the marvel U to be more interesting. Plus it also lets them redeem villains or have heroes fall into evil.

Krakoa feels like it really shoulda had a cop-out at the end of it like "Shadow King exacerbated the darkness in them".

Besides, it doesn't quite line-up when the Krakoan era X-Men were on hand for major events like that one with Knull. They still were willing to go to bat for the world. I just wish they'd explored the ideas of "we should fight for the common good" versus the sentiment of "fuck them all, they didn't help us when we needed it" from the active X-Men. You'd think some of the revived ones would have some level of grudge over noone coming to save them. Wasn't Synch fucking crucified? Why not have him just be filled with anger and rage against the world and whatnot.
Well I hate the X-Men (it’s oppression porn and makes the rest of the marvel universe look bad) and Krakoa making them so detestable and outright villainous honestly works, they are better as villains.

Just like real minorities.

I used to look down on the x-men, because most of what I'd seen was the cartoon and more moder n comics together with the not great collections of Claremont.

It was only reading those Claremont issues I appreciated that the X-books as Claremont approached them had some value due to the idea that Claremont would occasionally think 'mhm, maybe I'm the bad guy?' (the holocaust wank from Magneto is a bit much.).

The x-men, as concept, are based around empathy. That's what was wrong with Krakoa, and Hickman's run. If you don't empathize with the characters, the book and concept are unbearable.
 
I used to look down on the x-men, because most of what I'd seen was the cartoon and more moder n comics together with the not great collections of Claremont.

It was only reading those Claremont issues I appreciated that the X-books as Claremont approached them had some value due to the idea that Claremont would occasionally think 'mhm, maybe I'm the bad guy?' (the holocaust wank from Magneto is a bit much.).

The x-men, as concept, are based around empathy. That's what was wrong with Krakoa, and Hickman's run. If you don't empathize with the characters, the book and concept are unbearable.
See, I’m a cold unfeeling man with no empathy for minorities and didn’t Claremont start the X-Men’s trend of unnatural fag shit?

Like wasn’t he the fruit who decided the hot blue chick should be a tranny? That’s unnatural fag shit, I’d support the sentinel program to kill all the gay mutants.

Jk, my real hatred is them hijacking other characters (literally in the case of Franklin) or being used to make others look bad.
 
The Krakoa nonsense is not the latest mess-up in the history of questionable storylines and decisions involving the X-Men, but it is one of the worst. Immortal demigods that have their own private paradise were they just have orgies and complain about persecution all day long. It feels sort of insular and like something that would only appeal to a small subset of fans at most. No, they all have to be all beautiful people having lavish parties on an island with Kevin Feige or no one will be able to relate to them!

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What is that on Cyclops' face, and how is it Feige looks more unnatural than any of the genetic weirdos around him?
 
The Krakoa nonsense is not the latest mess-up in the history of questionable storylines and decisions involving the X-Men, but it is one of the worst. Immortal demigods that have their own private paradise were they just have orgies and complain about persecution all day long. It feels sort of insular and like something that would only appeal to a small subset of fans at most. No, they all have to be all beautiful people having lavish parties on an island with Kevin Feige or no one will be able to relate to them!

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What is that on Cyclops' face, and how is it Feige looks more unnatural than any of the genetic weirdos around him?
That art, those faces... is this ai generated or something?
 
The Krakoa nonsense is not the latest mess-up in the history of questionable storylines and decisions involving the X-Men, but it is one of the worst. Immortal demigods that have their own private paradise were they just have orgies and complain about persecution all day long. It feels sort of insular and like something that would only appeal to a small subset of fans at most. No, they all have to be all beautiful people having lavish parties on an island with Kevin Feige or no one will be able to relate to them!

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What is that on Cyclops' face, and how is it Feige looks more unnatural than any of the genetic weirdos around him?
the fact that it happened like right after the EPstein island thing entered the public pop culture is even funnier to me.
 
the fact that it happened like right after the EPstein island thing entered the public pop culture is even funnier to me.
Throw in the Franklin stuff…… eeesh

Reed was absolutely justified in telling off those faggot muties, that was the only X-Men comic to actually make me rage about injustice and it was their injustice towards humans.
 
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