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Thats one of those things that people say but nobody has ever provided actual proof that its true or not.
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I dunno if anyone else does this, but do any of you have a villian who’s appearances you follow, even if it’s outside their respective hero? Cause I got a few, who I’ve followed and read books/arcs I never would’ve normally just because they had one of my guys.
Hank “the Tank” Henshaw is one of mine, this psychotic suicidal bastard is never not entertaining, one of my favourite villains in general, even outside of comics. If Doomsday is Superman’s Venom/Bane equivalent, this guy is his Carnage equivalent, he never stays down and when he does show up, the tone turns much darker, body horror, death and madness follow him wherever he goes.
He fooled Bill Clinton (Jurgens is so based for that), nuked L.A, had a spaz attack meeting Reed Richards, caused Parallax and he never stops. I love that he’s one of Dan’s favorites and that Dan and later Geoff Johns made him a mainstay.
I will read garbage, absolute trash like the current Action Comics if Hank is there, him maiming Metallo’s sister cause he could is just his personality summed up in a single action. Also he got voiced by Howard Hamlin, massive W there.
“You won’t kill me and I won’t stop until I’ve killed you.”
Hank “the Tank” Henshaw is one of mine, this psychotic suicidal bastard is never not entertaining, one of my favourite villains in general, even outside of comics. If Doomsday is Superman’s Venom/Bane equivalent, this guy is his Carnage equivalent, he never stays down and when he does show up, the tone turns much darker, body horror, death and madness follow him wherever he goes.
He fooled Bill Clinton (Jurgens is so based for that), nuked L.A, had a spaz attack meeting Reed Richards, caused Parallax and he never stops. I love that he’s one of Dan’s favorites and that Dan and later Geoff Johns made him a mainstay.
I will read garbage, absolute trash like the current Action Comics if Hank is there, him maiming Metallo’s sister cause he could is just his personality summed up in a single action. Also he got voiced by Howard Hamlin, massive W there.
“You won’t kill me and I won’t stop until I’ve killed you.”
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There's the byline in Starman books and etc. that goes `Jack Knight created by James Robinson`
Hank Henshaw is a magnificent bastard and is entertaining. I think he's on the cusp of becoming a timeless villain if someone ever writes a top tier story with him.
Superman villains that are top tier and timeless aren't a lot. Lex Luthor, Brainiac, maybe Bizarro? General Zod has the potential to be timeless too. Mr. Mxy is also on that list.
After that? Parasite's a good goon, but I don't recall if we've had a good story with him that elevates him. Prankster is a holdover from a simpler time. Toyman has potential but we've never gone in depth because he's also kind of a holdover from the golden/silver age too. Metallo's a consistent "classic" one that's never gotten a really good story iirc. Doomsday was a fucking science experiment from Krypton and only exists as a gigantic threat to make everyone shit themselves. He's iconic in the sense that he killed the seemingly invincible hero.
After them, you've got Livewire (DCAU original), Silver Banshee, Maxima, and you can probably list off the "bruisers" introduced in Superman books every decade. Luthor/Brainiac are the two that get consistent focus in some way.
for villains that I just wind up following outside of their hero.
I've got a list, but I really do enjoy Doctor Doom and the flash Rogues. If we're going to choose ones that aren't actively top tier/can hold their own books, then I'd probably say Vandal Savage.
Dude is a top end threat in-universe and is always acknowledged as such. While he doesn't hold his own book and isn't too associated with a specific hero, he's been ramped up to being an increasingly scary threat since the post-crisis universe started.
in the 2000s they kinda started ramping him up alongside the JSA revival (which also seemed to try and build up Johnny Sorrow and Mordru as villains for the JSA).
Lines like "studies suggest He (Savage) may have invented cannibalism" are perfect bullshit lines to build him up. Making him the central point of the Crime Bible shit during one of the Final Crisis spinoffs would have paid off if they'd did the buildup better. I could fully believe that he fits some kinda prophecy to be an evil chosen one.
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What Hank needs to make it over that last stretch of the finish line to be one of Superman’s “main foes” like Lex/Brainiac/Zod is I think he needs a death on his list of crimes.
Hank needs to hurt Clark, to leave a Norman Osborn-style mark. I think if Hank did something really nasty and cruel then he’d be counted on the main list.
Remember when he willingly gave up being flesh and blood to become the Cyborg again? Just because the idea of Superman having a family was offensive to him?
Hank should be the one to trim the hedges of the Superfamily, like I was describing a few posts ago. Finally repay that “You took my family” psychotic delusion of his, kill four of Clark’s friends or family, repayment for himself, Teri Henshaw, Johnny and Ben Grimm.
Hank needs to hurt Clark, to leave a Norman Osborn-style mark. I think if Hank did something really nasty and cruel then he’d be counted on the main list.
Remember when he willingly gave up being flesh and blood to become the Cyborg again? Just because the idea of Superman having a family was offensive to him?
Hank should be the one to trim the hedges of the Superfamily, like I was describing a few posts ago. Finally repay that “You took my family” psychotic delusion of his, kill four of Clark’s friends or family, repayment for himself, Teri Henshaw, Johnny and Ben Grimm.
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Hank should do Clark a favor and kill his faggot son.
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Wouldn't it be funny if the extended list of Super-kids gets trimmed down by Henshaw, including modern Jon and his boyfriend. Then Superman's given the choice to save one of the kids, god help him, and he picks to save Jon. Bonus points if the process resets John to being very young again.
A half-decent hack could have Superman torn inside about having to have made the choice of who to save, you trim the extended family (the warworld twins, the faggots, and I'd probably throw in someone like the tranny current-day "ancestor" of the Legion's Dream Girl.
Have it be big and heroic as we learn that Henshaw's hijacked the House of Brainiac. Have it be a great character moment for modern Amanda Waller as she sees Superman crying his his dead kids and has a flashback. As she hesitates, Peacemaker's psychotic need for "peace at any cost" has him putting waller in a coma as he approves nuclear strikes on metahuman population centers and all known metahuman bases. It is stopped by something like a combination of United Planet's operatives and cosmic heroes as Henshaw realizes he can hijack lantern ring tech, leading to another slaughter that takes out a bunch of Lanterns and kills at least 2 of the heroic Earth based ones (My money's on Simon Baz and Sojourner whatsherface.)
Bam. Henshaw's killed a long list of Superman's adopted kids, he's killed relevant Lanterns, and he's almost caused the planet to be nuked. The robot heroes of the world all succumb to him, except for Cyborg and Red Tornado. Batman's off the board because of his weird bullshit in his own books, but that robot he made gets taken. (Failsafe, I think?) . The magic wielders almost save everything, only for us to find out that Henshaw finds the final crisis miracle machine blueprints via The House of Brainiac. (Or some other big bullshit world-ender.). The next high point occurs when Henshaw takes over a mother box. Henshaw inadvertently summons Darkseid to Earth and they go to war.
In the end of the event, Superman cries as The Spectre tells him that children go to heaven automatically. It ends with Superman going to Reverend RIchard Craemer, the guy that Jim Corrigan used to have a spiritual advisor from the Ostrander series and who also served as the Belle Reve chaiplain in the 80s. Fittingly, this would also be a good pick to sort of link Superman and Amanda Waller.
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That still doesn't mean they need his premission to use him. From what I've gathered it was always more a gentialman's agreement, not anything binding in a legal sense.
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The image of Hank just grinning as Supes mourns his “family” and the world falls to chaos is perfect, have “it” kick in, that emptiness, that feeling after his “vengeance” and Hank realizes that he feels nothing. He’s gotten all he wanted, he butchered some lanterns for old time’s sake, dominated the supreme intellect of Brainiac, destroyed the Kryptonian population on Warworld (they will be killed off), is about to finish nuking the planet and has destroyed Superman’s composure………. and he’s still as empty and lonely as before.
I’d bring back Teri Henshaw personally, have her come back as a modern version of “Strange Visitor” and play her and Hank’s “energy existence” as a new iteration of Superman red and Superman blue. Let her see the abomination her husband became (they hinted at this in the Reign anniversary) and have them fight and end it with Hank going berserk, pummelling his own wife and finally seeing himself for what he’s become.
Before he can try to do an “oh my god” moment, Superman starts pummelling him and “kills” Hank via the Source Wall, it ends with Teri entering the Source Wall too, not wanting to exist as bodiless energy and in this way she can be with her husband in a way that he can’t hurt anyone.
Some time later, Superman gets advice from a random reverend (the guy just sees Clark sulking and offers what help he can offer) and he’s actually scared of returning to an empty house, his marriage is in a rough state and that his loneliness that plagued him as a kid is back and worse than ever…. Seemingly on the same sad path as KC Supes……. But the reverend (possibly with some help) takes some time out of his day to do what Supes does for normal people, he saves him, this random guy rebuilds the Man of Steel. Superman gets the courage to move forward (into his new status quo) and the last shot of the comic is revealing that the reverend is Norman McKay and the Spectre was helping him find the words to help Clark.
Boom, Hank gets another landmark story, a good stepping off point for future writers, the slate is wiped clean, Clark gets an angle as a father who outlived his “kids” and you get a respectful callback to a classic story.
Waller getting stopped by seeing the nicest guy in the universe at one of his lowest would do some work in getting rid of her plot armor.
I’d bring back Teri Henshaw personally, have her come back as a modern version of “Strange Visitor” and play her and Hank’s “energy existence” as a new iteration of Superman red and Superman blue. Let her see the abomination her husband became (they hinted at this in the Reign anniversary) and have them fight and end it with Hank going berserk, pummelling his own wife and finally seeing himself for what he’s become.
Before he can try to do an “oh my god” moment, Superman starts pummelling him and “kills” Hank via the Source Wall, it ends with Teri entering the Source Wall too, not wanting to exist as bodiless energy and in this way she can be with her husband in a way that he can’t hurt anyone.
Some time later, Superman gets advice from a random reverend (the guy just sees Clark sulking and offers what help he can offer) and he’s actually scared of returning to an empty house, his marriage is in a rough state and that his loneliness that plagued him as a kid is back and worse than ever…. Seemingly on the same sad path as KC Supes……. But the reverend (possibly with some help) takes some time out of his day to do what Supes does for normal people, he saves him, this random guy rebuilds the Man of Steel. Superman gets the courage to move forward (into his new status quo) and the last shot of the comic is revealing that the reverend is Norman McKay and the Spectre was helping him find the words to help Clark.
Boom, Hank gets another landmark story, a good stepping off point for future writers, the slate is wiped clean, Clark gets an angle as a father who outlived his “kids” and you get a respectful callback to a classic story.
Waller getting stopped by seeing the nicest guy in the universe at one of his lowest would do some work in getting rid of her plot armor.
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The epilogue story would seemingly just have a combo of the return of 'lil Jon Kent and all the classic DC heroes who have kids coming in there to check on Superman. Wally West would probably be the first one to do it, then the JSA members, J'onn, Steel, and Aquaman. Any hero that's had children or lost them.
In the very end, a remorseful Amanda Waller winds up simply telling Clark that she never intended for this to happen and tells him that the pain drove her into doing what she does (her backstory's pretty clear on her loved ones/kids/husband getting killed in violence). Peacemaker has a mental breakdown as Waller or someone else asks him "was the cost worth this?" After Bruce's long arc with his mental breakdown is done, he'll simply just have a short conversation with Clark and apologize for not being there.
I'm definitely coping about the loss of the Super-Sons comic aren't I?
Anyways, the revival of Jon would be a saga in itself. A good writer would have the Spectre or Mxy be willing to bring him back.
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I miss the Super-Sons too
I would make young Jon coming back just Mxy seeing his “old friend” at this sad low point, in his empty apartment (Lois is throwing herself into her work) and it’s just bleak, very little comicy BS, just a dad who’s world died.
Mxy is seeing this and says “No, not in my story” and uses a cartoon Adam West Batman phone to “call in some favors”
Young Jon appears at Clark’s door and it’s revealed that the Quintessence repaid Clark for all that he’s done, these living gods “nudged” the world in the the right direction. Comic ends with Clark hugging his true son, alongside a shot of the Henshaws merged into the Source Wall, together at last.
I would make young Jon coming back just Mxy seeing his “old friend” at this sad low point, in his empty apartment (Lois is throwing herself into her work) and it’s just bleak, very little comicy BS, just a dad who’s world died.
Mxy is seeing this and says “No, not in my story” and uses a cartoon Adam West Batman phone to “call in some favors”
Young Jon appears at Clark’s door and it’s revealed that the Quintessence repaid Clark for all that he’s done, these living gods “nudged” the world in the the right direction. Comic ends with Clark hugging his true son, alongside a shot of the Henshaws merged into the Source Wall, together at last.
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Superman getting rewarded for all the good he's done, with Spectre, Zauriel, and The Phantom Stranger in the distance with light grins.
The next issue, Ma and Pa Kent make a big stack of pancakes as Jon tries to make a phone call to Damien and Wally to see what he's missed since his older version was here.
Wally probably chills while Damien almost breaks down crying when he arrives at the farm. The revival of the JSA and all the "lost children" become kids that the Super-Sons wind up trying to help. Jon's straightforwardness melts Salem's exterior and he winds up attracting all these girls from the '40s with his straightforward and honest attitude.
Bada bing, bada boom. Suddenly Twitter cries about gay genocide because they made Jon Kent have a youthful romance with a girl.
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Least DC would be the company that would end up correcting their mistakes.
You could explain something like Alan Scott
That would actually give the Superson's their own personal generation of heros to team up with
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I hate to admit it, but I like Hank being seen as a Green Lantern villain. GL needs all sorts of sci-fi villains - I like his theme being all sorts of sci-fi, wunderaffen weaponry, etc. beyond the obvious "make constructs out of thin air" one - and Cyborg Superman fit in pretty well with that.
Superman has enough villains copying his powerset, look, or being robotic in some way and I've always been obsessed with differentiating them powers-wise while keeping them obviously able to match him in basics of "strength, toughness, speed" in some form. I also like his ultimate them being "Man of Tomorrow versus Enemies of Man Today."
EDIT: Holy shit am I loving the ideas for the Super-Sons though...
Superman has enough villains copying his powerset, look, or being robotic in some way and I've always been obsessed with differentiating them powers-wise while keeping them obviously able to match him in basics of "strength, toughness, speed" in some form. I also like his ultimate them being "Man of Tomorrow versus Enemies of Man Today."
EDIT: Holy shit am I loving the ideas for the Super-Sons though...
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Alan Scott could be a simple fix. Just have it be revealed that Per Degaton wants to torture him by making it so he never achieves any sort of "true love", hence the removal of the original Harlequin from the timeline as Alan's wife, erase the marriage, and then make Alan gay/bisexual during the '40s/50s. Have it all be revealed that Degaton's fuckery was done to torture Alan. After all, since the post-crisis stuff, Alan Scott took Superman's slot as the Golden Age's "big guy". In that one JSA classified story, an old villain says "you were superman before there was a superman. even the hoodlums used to look up to the Green Lantern."
Then have Degaton get beaten and have Booster or Rip Hunter fix things. Alan's back to having Harlequin (Molly) as his wife again, and has a conversation with Obsidian admitting to maybe being possibly bisexual, but he'd never let go of Molly. Have Molly scold her "son" that's part of the Lost Children and then we wrap that all up.
Gay Alan Scott stories would still be possible on a different timeline/earth. His man on man sexuality stuff is vaguely acknowledged, but he dotes on his wife. During a conversation with Obsidian, it's revealed that there was a Golden Age hero that became a gay rights activist in his civilian identity that's only becoming publicly known. Have it revealed to be someone like Neon the Unknown or someone obscure. Have it be a realistic conversation about how this character decided to not have his costumed identity paraded around for his sexual identity as he believed that one's identity is not to be focused on just one thing like sexuality.
I pulled Neon's name out of a hat. You could easily replace this with someone like Firebrand or The Whip or The Gay Ghost. Hell, invent a new one named Captain Rainbow.
The thing is, I don't think Damien and Jon have that much of a wide variety of their own generation to be with. You have like, Emiko (Green Arrow's half-sister, a Red Arrow), maybe the Jackson Hyde Aqualad, black kid flash?
I don't recall if there's a young green lantern or amazon. Impulse got retconned/brought back to being Impulse again, but is Bart a kid or a 17-19 year old young adult like tim or conner now? The new wonder woman from latin america isn't a kid.
Hmn. You know who else could be a good same generation as Damien and Jon? Wally's kids. I know Jay got his daughter back too so there's that. I recall Damien's teen titans team kinda being middling as fuck. You had a genie, Lobo's daughter, black wally, and some fat kid. At least Young Justice's generation had a lot more with the JSA youngsters, the added YJ kids like Arrowette and Secret, and all the little additions during 52 like Zachary Zatara that made the world's mythology building feel interesting. I remember a bit in 52 where the new Zatara teen was chided by some guy who bought Lexcorp superpowers for "being a legacy". It sounded like commies on twitter bashing some guy for the circumstances of his birth.
GL could easily have Hank run around. I'd also advocate for shit like Brainiac showing up in GL books.
Cyborg Superman is basically one of DC's big threats. Primarily a Supes or GL villain, but throw him into a story to make the stakes skyrocket.
on the other hand, I feel like he'd also have made a really good Cyborg villain if they'd done something with that.
anyways DC really introduced a fucking Brainiac'd "bottled city" from Czarnia, Lobo's homeworld. This is going to result in shenanigans.
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I’d end that issue with the prophecy from the movie,
“The son becomes the father and the father becomes the sun.”
I would have reality altered, Clark and Lois lose the twins and Kenan, Steel (I’ll explain what I’d do with John Henry shortly) and the Warworld Kryptonians are still dead, but adult Jon straight up gets erased.
John Henry is one of Henshaw’s victims, he dies worthy of a Superman preventing Hank’s nuclear dawn and fighting an Apollo Creed-style fight with all he’s got against an opponent who’s just stronger. However, this would prelude his own series where it would show everyone celebrating Jon coming back and for Natasha and Lana, they’re bitter because the universe isn’t rewarding them……. Until Eradicator steps in, in this hypothetical run, I’d pick up their unlikely friendship and I’d have Eradicator join Natasha and Lana (and John’s massive stereotypical family) in mourning him.
Eradicator would repeat that trick of his and would bond with Steel, resurrecting him and becoming symbiotes.
Kid Jon and Damian pick up where they left off with Super-Sons Reborn, Clark is still hardened by what happened and is a bit more like Kal-L for awhile, Steel and Eradicator start superheroing in Steel: Reforged, finally taking back the mantle from his worthless niece (two of them is stupid)
I love that Superman’s space villians are actual galactic terrors, Mongul is a despot who controls several Warworlds and has been doing his thing for thousands of generations, Zod is carving out an empire, Darkseid is the actual end of everything, Doomsday is an apex predator who levelled ancient Oa, Henshaw bings death wherever he goes and Brainiac is robot Pinhead most of the time.
They’re all nightmares when big blue isn’t wiping the floor with them.
Hank telling Hal “I know what you fear. Me.” was his version of the M Bison speech, for Hal it was everything, for Hank it was a footnote in his revenge on a dead man.
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Hmmm...
-Superboy (Jon)
-Robin (Damian)
-Kid Flash (Ace)
-Red Arrow (Emiko)
-Aqualad (Jackson)
-Wonder Girl - didn't they tease a potential one recently?
Teen Lantern is solidly in Tim Drake's/Young Justice's generation, and I'm fond of the second Aquagirl (Lorena Marquez) to fill out the League roles for that gen, especially since Miss Martian is also supposed to be in Tim's age cohort. So Superboy (Connor), Robin (Tim), Wonder Girl (Cassie), Impulse (Bart), Teen Lantern (forgot her name), Aquagirl (Lorena), Miss Martian (Megan), Speedy (Mia). As to what you asked, I think Bart IS with the YJ group again albeit on the younger side, like how in modern NTT adaptions Beast Boy and Raven tend to be.
I don't mind if Jon and Damian become solidly 12-13 or so
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the Kryptonians willingly dying to do the right things as they die. John Henry's time-lost Uncle marvels at his nephew's heroic sacrifice as the man dies, hammer in his hand, a Steel-driving Superman.
Eradicator steps in, having preserved John Henry's mind perfectly. A little magic is done to revive the soul. Or maybe the hammers of the irons family are magic.
Eradicator becomes his Jarvis.
Clark hardens himself a little, almost considers going Injustice Superman, until his heart warms back up. Have Superman fight Shazam as Billy has to beat in a sense of hope into the man again.
Emiko and Jackson are sorta a little older than that generation iirc. Emiko's scaled to Stargirl's age-range. I could see it.
I think it could all work out somewhat decently. Maybe add on Crush (Lobo's kid) for fun. If we're talking teen heroes who aren't counterparts to marquee justice league heroes, we could have the United Planets send a young thanagarian and a young rannian to earth, and the two idiot kids wind up in the care of J'onn or Katar and join this Nu-yj/titans group. Call them like, Hawkboy and Strange Girl or something.
You know who'd probably be a fine pseudo-mentor for such a group and someone DC keeps trying to bring in but never does right? Jaime Reyes. Have him wind up being one of the older teen heroes that's asked to mentor these youngsters. His track record's solid enough. Maybe have Mary Marvel tag along to keep them out of trouble and be a nagging old fashioned older sister counterpart to Jaime being a "big bro".
The group then winds up with the "Lost Children" and Jaime meets Sparky, the Original '40s Blue Beetle's sidekick. But, wait a minute, the Dan Garret we know wasn't that old? Sounds like a mystery that's perfect for them to solve. The '40s Blue Beetle becomes a nice focal point as the kids trace all sorts of stuff.
and have Old Justice re-form with even more octogenarian retired obscure heroes.
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I suppose for me it's Manchester Black, though he never really strayed from Superman.
Everyone knows him from the original story, What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way/Superman vs The Elite, but I think his best and truest character moment (and same for Superman himself) was the end of Ending Battle.
Once dead, his psychic remnants were haunting his sister, who led an Elite team and later a Justice League Elite team, and after Rebirth he had a good comeback story with Supes, Bats, and the Super Sons. Superman and the Authority was pretty bad I thought, but he was alright in that Superman Warworld arc.
I guess he's just a transparent Constantine/Jenny Sparks facsimile, but I like those.
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Yeah, I got why Robinson made the Earth 2 Alan gay in the first place but it should have never been the main trait of the character. I do agree with you that it would have made a lot more sense if they took a more obscure hero to make into the 40's gay character. There are so many minor characters that DC has that could get elevated like James Gunn did for Peacemaker.
Did you guys see that Jermany Adams and Travis Mercer are teasing a team book with Spoiler, the West Twins, Animal Girl, Fair Play and Quiz Kid?