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See, the problem with Wondy’s villians is the shotgun approach, look at her two superiors

Batman, his rogues are gothic/gritty gangster freaks who gradually get more and more degenerated, lots of edge.

Superman, his rogues are almost all retro pulp sci-fi and in the modern day it’s one of the best reminder of Supermans roots.

Wonder Woman needs to have them centralized and the way forward is the mythology, weave the science freaks into it. I get that Batman and Superman have outliers, (Ra’s and Toyman) but it’s mostly focused, the long term ones at least.

Street, Batman
Space, Superman
Fantasy, Wonder Woman

It’s similar to Batman, Superman and Aquaman evoking the Greek Trinity, Batman reigns over the underworld that is Gotham, Superman is undisputed master of the skies/lives in a gleaming golden city and Aquaman is king over most of the planet. You want a good Wonder Woman story there’s one in the making.
 
Wonder Woman needs to have them centralized and the way forward is the mythology, weave the science freaks into it. I get that Batman and Superman have outliers, (Ra’s and Toyman) but it’s mostly focused, the long term ones at least.
It would've been more interesting to have Wonder Woman's Greek Mythology bad guys mix in with the bad guys from the Superman and Batman stories. Like say, Ares empowering Bane kicks Batman's ass, and Batso needs WW's help. Or a corrupted Athena gives Lex Luthor the edge he needs to defeat Superman, and WW has to address that.
 
Didn't Wonder Woman have a gigant chinise egg as one of her villians?

Anyway, I have started to read Captain Atom: Armageddon and so far, it is pretty good.
I like that in his internal monolog that he compares himself to Superman and wish that he was on his level but still do his duty.
Also, the wildstorm univerise seems very very meh with the edgyness, but that is maybe because I have not read anything from it. I heard that the Authorty is good.
 
Lol, did he say either of those things?

It’s probably the Wonder Woman take but that fat retard denying bisexuality is funnier so I’m gonna pretend that’s what he said.
He doesn't deny bisexuality, but he is convinced every woman is up for diddling each other with little prompt.

As for WW, the problem to me has always been a lack of consistency. Everyone knows who and what Batman is, everyone knows who and what Superman is. The writers will have their personalities vary but for the most part there is an accepted version of both of them. The problem with Diana is no one can agree on who she is. Is she more of a Greek Goddess who needs to learn the value of Man's World? Or is she the most human of us all? Is she an angry feminist raging against injustice, or a calm, collected peacemaker who wants everyone to get along? Is she so powerful that she can take on Superman, or could a skilled human like Batman defeat her? The fact that unlike Bruce or Clark, she will kill her enemies is also a factor.

A big issue is her identity as 'the ideal woman' also causes people to bring in their own preferences for what that might be. Some writers would also like to have her stick with fantasy, but as mentioned above others feel the need to have her going after their political enemies so they can use her to win battles they would never be brave enough to fight in the real world. The end result being this mixed bag with contradictory stories and no real identity beyond a Greek demi-god who is the strongest woman on the planet.
 
Didn't Wonder Woman have a gigant chinise egg as one of her villians?

Anyway, I have started to read Captain Atom: Armageddon and so far, it is pretty good.
I like that in his internal monolog that he compares himself to Superman and wish that he was on his level but still do his duty.
Also, the wildstorm univerise seems very very meh with the edgyness, but that is maybe because I have not read anything from it. I heard that the Authorty is good.
The Warren Ellis Authority is great, everything afterwards is pathetic.

I really like Armageddon though, one of my favorite characterizations of Captain Atom.
He doesn't deny bisexuality, but he is convinced every woman is up for diddling each other with little prompt.

As for WW, the problem to me has always been a lack of consistency. Everyone knows who and what Batman is, everyone knows who and what Superman is. The writers will have their personalities vary but for the most part there is an accepted version of both of them. The problem with Diana is no one can agree on who she is. Is she more of a Greek Goddess who needs to learn the value of Man's World? Or is she the most human of us all? Is she an angry feminist raging against injustice, or a calm, collected peacemaker who wants everyone to get along? Is she so powerful that she can take on Superman, or could a skilled human like Batman defeat her? The fact that unlike Bruce or Clark, she will kill her enemies is also a factor.

A big issue is her identity as 'the ideal woman' also causes people to bring in their own preferences for what that might be. Some writers would also like to have her stick with fantasy, but as mentioned above others feel the need to have her going after their political enemies so they can use her to win battles they would never be brave enough to fight in the real world. The end result being this mixed bag with contradictory stories and no real identity beyond a Greek demi-god who is the strongest woman on the planet.
Heh, every coombrain thinks that.

The Wonder Woman I like, the ideal one in my head is the warrior princess who walks the middle ground between Clark and Bruce’s moral extremes, compassion to temper justice and vengeance. That’s how I prefer Diana.

She shouldn’t be in Clark’s weight category and I don’t like her flying without the plane, she should be more mortal than he is but not on Batman’s level if that makes sense.
It would've been more interesting to have Wonder Woman's Greek Mythology bad guys mix in with the bad guys from the Superman and Batman stories. Like say, Ares empowering Bane kicks Batman's ass, and Batso needs WW's help. Or a corrupted Athena gives Lex Luthor the edge he needs to defeat Superman, and WW has to address that.
I have wanted Zeus to possess Maxie Zeus Final Crisis-style and make him into a nightmare event villain for years.
 
I have wanted Zeus to possess Maxie Zeus Final Crisis-style and make him into a nightmare event villain for years.
That would be the predictable event, although I'd rather have Zeus stick to what he does best in Greek Myth; turn into an animal and try to pork Lois Lane, Barbara Gordon, or Selina Kyle, and Diana has the thankless task of trying to round him up and stop him.

A big issue is her identity as 'the ideal woman' also causes people to bring in their own preferences for what that might be. Some writers would also like to have her stick with fantasy, but as mentioned above others feel the need to have her going after their political enemies so they can use her to win battles they would never be brave enough to fight in the real world. The end result being this mixed bag with contradictory stories and no real identity beyond a Greek demi-god who is the strongest woman on the planet.
Politically, Diana would castigate the modern secular world and seek to return to the old world where people worship their gods and make worship a state function once more. She'll leave the Abrahamic God alone thanks to the Spectre, but she'll go after people who are godless and try to drag them to a temple, a church, or any house of worship, preferably one that worships her Olympian gods since she's the most familiar with them. Although I can imagine her having to engage in apologetics when the female parishioners in the Olympian temples get ravaged by Zeus' animal forms and Diana would have to explain that. Maybe she'll spin it as a good thing and tell them that their kids are demigods like her.
 
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I actually really hate when writers try to boil down Wonder Woman to "muh Greek myth lol" and that's it. She's more of a science-fiction character than a fantasy one and DC needs to stop trying to peg her into the latter hole. Even Marvel isn't retarded enough to do that with Thor and he's LITERALLY a Norse god.

Also, fuck the "warrior princess" shit. I've said this before but anytime I see Wonder Woman with a sword and shield as her standard getup, I immediately dismiss that take as crap. Her weapons are non-lethal and defensive like the tiara, bracelets and lasso for a fucking reason. Hell she should be more compassionate and less willing to resort to extreme violence than either Supes or Bats, her entire gimmick is MUH LOVE and like half of her original rogues' gallery was reformed IIRC. People just jumped on the "muh killer" angle because of that absolutely idiotic story involving Maxwell Lord but somehow ignore Superman and Batman killing a fuckton more than she ever did.

Superman's villains also all mostly suck with a handful of exceptions, especially the more recent ones. Half of them shouldn't even be a fucking problem to Supes if he isn't written like a retard which is also a problem that plagues the Flash.
I recall that they tried to revive Nora and she came back as an insane monster? Mr. Freeze has the issue of the story needing to be tailored around him.
From what I remember, BTAS' take on Freeze was them blatantly ripping off an obscure Batman (well, technically an Outsiders) villain called the Cryonic Man (they did the same thing with Calendar Girl and ripping off another obscure villainess called the Manikin). Which, OK, it works for a self-contained show (though it does make me chuckle when people praise BTAS writers for being such geniuses in regards to Heart of Ice) but then DC decided to force that backstory for the comics' version of Mr. Freeze which means that they need to go with one of two options:

1) Freeze succeeds/fails at curing Nora and either gets his happy ending or makes peace with it and lets her go. Of course this means no more Mr. Freeze as a recurring villain.

2) Freeze fails at curing Nora and completely loses his shit, especially once she dies. You get Victor as a recurring threat but his sympathy factor is now gone and he's just another nutjob driven by anger at a cold, cruel world (pun intended). Alternatively Nora wakes up from her cryo-sleep, is absolutely horrified at how much of a psycho Victor has become and ditches him which leads to Freeze murdering her in a fit of rage.

I don't really have a problem with the latter option but a lot of Batman fans do which is why Snyder caught so much flack for making Freeze an actual obsessive psycho, ignoring that you kind of need to strip Freeze of his sympathy factor eventually for him to continue existing as a villain. And I like Batman vs. Mr. Freeze fights so I kinda would like for him to continue being a recurring antagonist for Batman.
 
Didn't Wonder Woman have a gigant chinise egg as one of her villians?

Anyway, I have started to read Captain Atom: Armageddon and so far, it is pretty good.
I like that in his internal monolog that he compares himself to Superman and wish that he was on his level but still do his duty.
Also, the wildstorm univerise seems very very meh with the edgyness, but that is maybe because I have not read anything from it. I heard that the Authorty is good.
yeah, he popped up in the 52 series that came out after Infinity Crisis. He's more used as a sci-fi horror villain from the CCP now.
That would be the predictable event, although I'd rather have Zeus stick to what he does best in Greek Myth; turn into an animal and try to pork Lois Lane, Barbara Gordon, or Selina Kyle, and Diana has the thankless task of trying to round him up and stop him.


Politically, Diana would castigate the modern secular world and seek to return to the old world where people worship their gods and make worship a state function once more. She'll leave the Abrahamic God alone thanks to the Spectre, but she'll go after people who are godless and try to drag them to a temple, a church, or any house of worship, preferably one that worships her Olympian gods since she's the most familiar with them. Although I can imagine her having to engage in apologetics when the female parishioners in the Olympian temples get ravaged by Zeus' animal forms and Diana would have to explain that. Maybe she'll spin it as a good thing and tell them that their kids are demigods like her.
Zeus trying to mindrape Lois Lane would probably bring the mother of all beatdowns to Olympus. War of the Gods 2.0. I'm picturing a very angry Superman and the rest of the costumed heroes just breaking down Olympus as Hera tells Zeus some variation of "I told you so". Zeus isn't a plotter. It'd probably be orchestrated by Ares or some shit as the instigation of a war between the costumed heroes and the Olympians.

Diana hasn't been delving into the nature of faith and religion since the late 80s/early 90s, unfortunately. IIRC.


I actually really hate when writers try to boil down Wonder Woman to "muh Greek myth lol" and that's it. She's more of a science-fiction character than a fantasy one and DC needs to stop trying to peg her into the latter hole. Even Marvel isn't retarded enough to do that with Thor and he's LITERALLY a Norse god.

Also, fuck the "warrior princess" shit. I've said this before but anytime I see Wonder Woman with a sword and shield as her standard getup, I immediately dismiss that take as crap. Her weapons are non-lethal and defensive like the tiara, bracelets and lasso for a fucking reason. Hell she should be more compassionate and less willing to resort to extreme violence than either Supes or Bats, her entire gimmick is MUH LOVE and like half of her original rogues' gallery was reformed IIRC. People just jumped on the "muh killer" angle because of that absolutely idiotic story involving Maxwell Lord but somehow ignore Superman and Batman killing a fuckton more than she ever did.
I think the Warrior culture angle works, but it needs to be more subdued and only come out if and when there's no other choice.

THe unreemable in her rogues gallery are like, Dr. Psycho. Give a few more entertainingly fucked up villains like that (just look up lolcows and adapt, honestly).

Wondy, post-crisis, was more of a naive heroine who'd just popped up in the world. It was refreshing and I think people should really look at the George Perez run to get the fundamentals down. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the shit that came later.
Superman's villains also all mostly suck with a handful of exceptions, especially the more recent ones. Half of them shouldn't even be a fucking problem to Supes if he isn't written like a retard which is also a problem that plagues the Flash.
Superman has been written to be really careful, world of cardboard and whatnot. Toyman/Prankster are obviously holdovers from back in the '50s, but I am getting tired of Luthor-Brainiac+ Bizarro/Parasite/Metallo as thugs. The best Superman stories are the ones that show his humanity in a proper manner.

That being said, I'm not sure what else they could have him do these days. You'd need competent writers doing more characterization based stories instead of Superman hits big thing. This is also because we've had every flavor of fluctuating power superman, superman with internal guilt over shit, etc.
From what I remember, BTAS' take on Freeze was them blatantly ripping off an obscure Batman (well, technically an Outsiders) villain called the Cryonic Man (they did the same thing with Calendar Girl and ripping off another obscure villainess called the Manikin). Which, OK, it works for a self-contained show (though it does make me chuckle when people praise BTAS writers for being such geniuses in regards to Heart of Ice) but then DC decided to force that backstory for the comics' version of Mr. Freeze which means that they need to go with one of two options:

1) Freeze succeeds/fails at curing Nora and either gets his happy ending or makes peace with it and lets her go. Of course this means no more Mr. Freeze as a recurring villain.

2) Freeze fails at curing Nora and completely loses his shit, especially once she dies. You get Victor as a recurring threat but his sympathy factor is now gone and he's just another nutjob driven by anger at a cold, cruel world (pun intended). Alternatively Nora wakes up from her cryo-sleep, is absolutely horrified at how much of a psycho Victor has become and ditches him which leads to Freeze murdering her in a fit of rage.

I don't really have a problem with the latter option but a lot of Batman fans do which is why Snyder caught so much flack for making Freeze an actual obsessive psycho, ignoring that you kind of need to strip Freeze of his sympathy factor eventually for him to continue existing as a villain. And I like Batman vs. Mr. Freeze fights so I kinda would like for him to continue being a recurring antagonist for Batman.
I think the idea of Mr. Freeze being not willing to accept help in trying to cure Nora, while every failed scheme leaves him back at square one. Give him immense hubris. But have it hidden behind his demeanor. Have it be something that is easily recognized by Batman's guest star preferably one of the heroic scientists. Niles Caulder would be a fun choice for this kinda story because the fucker's always got an agenda. Nora gets quasi-cured via the Doom Patrol bullshit of Caulder turning people into freaks and Freeze+Nora become sorta trying to be redeemed. You can then write off this hypothetical superheroic Mr. Freeze and Nora as being over-reliant on Caulder's treatments while they make Freeze become a superhero at Caulder's behest.

This is the kinda thing that'd have to be handled carefully, but you could do a reasonable plot twist with Nora being cured or cured with conditions. There's easy ways to make her have to go into deep freeze after you're done as Mr. Freeze decides he can't trust anyone to find the cure, not the angels or the devils.


Bam, Freeze's hubris is uncovered, Freeze gets the chance to get his wish, the wish gets messed up either because of him or some external force, Freeze becomes even more shut-off from the world as he's convinced that only he can cure her permanently.

They kinda stuck him with that BTAS' episode as the status quo for a long time and never went anywhere. I'm proposing that we add some sort of innate hidden sense of hubris to him that sabotages things.


they did try to revive Nora in a lazurus pit before. Forget if it was permanent or not.
 
Finally decided to read that Dazzler graphic novel, "Dazzler: The Movie." Basically, a has-been, washed up actor named Roman Nekoboh keeps harassing Alison Blaire (Dazzler), wanting to fuck her but she keeps telling him to fuck off. He keeps bothering her until he nearly rapes her, then harasses her some more, and finally she gives up and agrees to co-star in a movie with him (and in the process somehow falls in love with him). Eventually it's deliberately leaked to the media that Alison is a mutant, to drum up publicity for the film. Yadda yadda yadda, Alison ultimately leaves Roman, the movie is destroyed, and Alison is back to where she started but now everyone knows she's a gross mutie.

I read it because I kept seeing it brought up in the X-Men comics, so I thought surely something important actually happened in it. But, no, the big thing is just Alison being outed as a mutant. Even that part sucked. Roman Nekoboh revealing to the world that Alison is a mutant is basically an aside. The scene pretty much goes:
Roman: "oh, yeah, I revealed to the media that you're a mutant and scheduled a demonstration of your powers for tomorrow."
Dazzler: "oh, okay"

The only reason I can figure it kept getting brought up in other books is that Jim Shooter wrote it and he was the editor-in-chief at the time, so he wanted to shill his own work. The absolutely retarded romance with Roman aside, Dazzler has an okay-ish character arc throughout the GN but outside of that it's nothing noteworthy.

I then read the Beauty and the Beast mini-series featuring Dazzler and Beast, since it ties directly in with New Mutants. Alison gets drugged and begins fighting in an underground arena as a gladiator while Hank tries to save her. The main villain, Alexander Flynn, is supposedly Victor von Doom's son but it's completely unimportant and could have easily been cut out; I suspect it was only added so they could put Doctor Doom on the covers since Byrne's popular FF run was also running at the time. Given how controlling of Doom that Byrne was at the time, I can't imagine he was too happy that Victor suddenly had an illegitimate son.

Surprisingly, it's written by Ann Nocenti yet isn't overtly political (there's some generic hand wringing over blood sports but that's about it) nor is it weird. I guess this was early in her career, so she had to keep her autism in check. The romance between Hank and Alison is horribly forced but beyond that there's nothing really wrong with it, it's just painfully average.
 
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Zeus trying to mindrape Lois Lane would probably bring the mother of all beatdowns to Olympus.
He wouldn't be trying to mindrape Lois Lane, he'd be trying to rape her physically. Which is more bad news for Diana.

War of the Gods 2.0. I'm picturing a very angry Superman and the rest of the costumed heroes just breaking down Olympus as Hera tells Zeus some variation of "I told you so". Zeus isn't a plotter. It'd probably be orchestrated by Ares or some shit as the instigation of a war between the costumed heroes and the Olympians.
Hence why in my proposed story, Diana would be trying to catch Zeus before that happens. Hera would warn her that her father is out hunting for women again, and Diana would sigh, run off, and find Zeus before it's too late, knowing that if he rapes Lois Lane or Barbara Gordon, the Justice Legue will lay siege to Mount Olympus.

Diana hasn't been delving into the nature of faith and religion since the late 80s/early 90s, unfortunately. IIRC.
That is a problem. They keep trying to portray people from Ancient Greece in a very secular manner, whereas in reality, they were very pious and religious for their gods. Diana should be very uncomfortable with atheists and secularists as a person from Ancient Greece.

There's a reason why even the Greek Christians tried to make Christianity a state religion, and why their emperors built the Hagia Sophia during the Dark Ages. They were trying to outdo King Solomon in worship. If that's how the Greek Christians act, just imagine how the Greek pagans would act in front of modern secular culture.
 
the wildstorm univerise seems very very meh with the edgyness
Wildstorm was created under another name by Jim Lee, and was a portmanteau of Wildcats and Stormwatch. The world is essentially a version of Marvel and DC if brought up through the lens of XFiles. Multiple analogues of Superman and every other character you've seen elsewhere; sometimes more interesting, many times not really. Everything is conspiracy, at the start. You have superhumans as a result of too many methods-

Gen Factor: a mutagen that arrived with Sigma, an alternate universe related posthuman. This stuff kills people, melts people, and gives people superpowers. A terrorist blows up a plane over an American city with the stuff, and fucks up the lives of those living there.

Aliens and their Hybrid children: The universe has Kherans (Majestic, Zealot; these are golden age kryptonians), Daemonites (Voodoo, Stalker; these are aliens that shapeshift. Some have magic, some have psionic abilities and elders learn how to manipulate and control time. Initially they're shown to absorb people/meld into them and take them over but are eventually revealed to have chronal abeyance), the Drahn which enhance others (these arseholes took Majestic and turned him from a Golden Age Superman into a Silver Age Superman), Acurans (these were part of another imprint but Helspont is a daemonite that took one over, hence his superman-level durability), Titanothropes like Maul, and Shapers like Reno Bryce. Many of the Wildcats are hybrid children of extraterrestrial fuckery.

Comet Seedlings: sometime in the 1900s an extrasolar body passed over earth and changed some people in ways that enhanced them or mutated them or whatever. Also, in the 50s or 60s, an alternate United Kingdom was attacked with a bacterial weapon and tried to vent it into the wildstorm universe to stave off their own destruction. This didn't work, and what came through the bleed was mutated itself, causing more supermen of varying types among those infected.

Activated enhanciles: there are people, potentially affected by one of the above incidents, who have the ability to bestow bullshit traits onto others. A few of them are active in Stormwatch and do things like wander around giving criminals impossible powers as a way of distracting authorities and "throwing a wrench into the works."

Scientifically Modified Humans: Many IO agents like Ivana Baiul, Cybernary, Midnighter, Apollo, Jack Hawksmoore, Seth, the replacement Authority, these are people that superscience changed or rebuilt to be more than human.

Alternate Universe origins: The High, John Cumberland, was essentially a superman that was fired into the wildstorm universe from another reality.

Century Babies: "explained" as a mechanism of earth that generates people with impossible powersets for a given timeframe. Elijah Snow, Jenny Sparks/Quarks/Quantum, etc fall into this category.

The Doctors: Earths' shamanic Dr Stranges. Each one is exponentially more powerful than the previous iteration, and when a doctor dies, he or she goes to their own version of an afterlife which can be accessed by the current doctor at any time for communion and guidance. Every Doctor can essentially know everything that the previous Doctors knew, which makes one wonder how any of them ever die. Anyway.

Captain Atom is only outclassed by Mr Majestic, and maybe The High if he weren't a slurry in a barrel during his visit. Tho I suppose the Doctor could have dealt with him had the writer not forgotten about what he's capable of. Armageddon was great, otherwise. Love that art.

/tism'd out
 
He wouldn't be trying to mindrape Lois Lane, he'd be trying to rape her physically. Which is more bad news for Diana.
Diana being forced to deal with Zeus as Superman beats him within an inch of his life.

Honestly, I could see this being a really interesting story if handled right.

It's Injustice, but every hero's on Superman's side and the Greek Gods are scrambling between Zeus' side or trying to stay neutral due to Hera.
Hence why in my proposed story, Diana would be trying to catch Zeus before that happens. Hera would warn her that her father is out hunting for women again, and Diana would sigh, run off, and find Zeus before it's too late, knowing that if he rapes Lois Lane or Barbara Gordon, the Justice Legue will lay siege to Mount Olympus.
I think, at this point, you'd easily see the Suicide Squad get involved to join in on the looting, with Waller just trying to say "hey, we're on your side".
That is a problem. They keep trying to portray people from Ancient Greece in a very secular manner, whereas in reality, they were very pious and religious for their gods. Diana should be very uncomfortable with atheists and secularists as a person from Ancient Greece.
Diana trying to tard wrangle her pantheon sounds really funny.

Right as Superman shoves an Nth metal spear through Zeus. Or hell,

Zeus sexually assaulting the wives of various heroes would probably be a massive trigger for something. Diana tries to remind Hera about what happened to the last guy that raped a JLA member's wife (Sue Dibny) and that they mindraped Dr. Light into becoming a joke.

Diana tries to get Zeus to either stop or try to bring him to justice as he surreptitiously transforms into the heroes to SA the wives. This leads to an escalating situation until we hit the point of no return. It starts with Lois Lane, Linda Park, Iris Allen, and whatnot.

Then, Zeus being what he is, eventually moves on to the younger ones in a really skeevy manner without doing anything yet, and then we have people going to The Spectre and asking for vengeance. Maybe something bad is done, maybe it's not, but noone's going to be wanting to hear Zeus out as the hero community goes into overdrive.

At first, they think it's a shapeshifter or psychic. They pull the beats from identity crisis. It turns into a bit where the majority of the villains are actively also trying to figure out what the fuck is going on, until Captain Cold hears that Iris and Linda were SA'd (they often know who the flashes are). This leads to them absolutely smoking a bunch of shapeshifters/psychics/etc. and giving Wally the information they beat out of people, because the Rogues have a specific code that says "no harming women or children".

Hell, half the villains with a personal code would probably be trying to beat information out of the skeevy shapeshifters/psychics/mages. Bane knows that this kinda event would bring all the heroes out of retirement and looking for any information without care for what happens. The villains are either going to run and hide or start filtering their own.

In the very end? Turns out Eclipso got into Zeus. Preferably, what happens isn't a string of serial rapes. However, the Olympians are brought low as it turns out that the siege on Olympus kinda royally fucked them up as the costumed heroes brought a lot of very hidden weaponry designed to kill gods. Waller becomes very concerned at the idea that the heroes have casually collected WMDs by the hundreds. You get some setup for future plot development and some stuff about Wondy's book becoming a more different place.


There's a reason why even the Greek Christians tried to make Christianity a state religion, and why their emperors built the Hagia Sophia during the Dark Ages. They were trying to outdo King Solomon in worship. If that's how the Greek Christians act, just imagine how the Greek pagans would act in front of modern secular culture.
yeah Diana would be legitimately devout and consistent in her beliefs and actions.
 
He wouldn't be trying to mindrape Lois Lane, he'd be trying to rape her physically. Which is more bad news for Diana.


Hence why in my proposed story, Diana would be trying to catch Zeus before that happens. Hera would warn her that her father is out hunting for women again, and Diana would sigh, run off, and find Zeus before it's too late, knowing that if he rapes Lois Lane or Barbara Gordon, the Justice Legue will lay siege to Mount Olympus.


That is a problem. They keep trying to portray people from Ancient Greece in a very secular manner, whereas in reality, they were very pious and religious for their gods. Diana should be very uncomfortable with atheists and secularists as a person from Ancient Greece.

There's a reason why even the Greek Christians tried to make Christianity a state religion, and why their emperors built the Hagia Sophia during the Dark Ages. They were trying to outdo King Solomon in worship. If that's how the Greek Christians act, just imagine how the Greek pagans would act in front of modern secular culture.
Reverse Kingdom Come, Diana has to find and excise Zeus before her father of the year does something really stupid that will lead to an outraged Superman and friends tearing down Olympus and causing a destructive war.

Have the whole thing be caused by Zeus getting very upset by all the statues and worship the league receives and he’s gonna knock them down a peg

The Siege could be a heroic version of Osborn’s Asgard siege, with Superman opening up the League’s vault, with Batman at his side for once.

This could be the impetus to return Superman to his Silver Age power for a bit, basking in the solar chamber to get ready for the fight.
 
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Reverse Kingdom Come, Diana has to find and excise Zeus before her father of the year does something really stupid that will lead to an outraged Superman and friends tearing down Olympus and causing a destructive war.

Have the whole thing be caused by Zeus getting very upset by all the statues and worship the league receives and he’s gonna knock them down a peg

The Siege could be a heroic version of Osborn’s Asgard siege, with Superman opening up the League’s vault, with Batman at his side for once.

This could be the impetus to return Superman to his Silver Age power for a bit, basking in the solar chamber to get ready for the fight.
Diana has the talk with Zeus and they hear a characteristic bunch of boom tubes loaded with the entirety of Earth's costumed community.

Diana then sighs and tells Zeus this is on his head.
 
And back here on Standard Writing Earth, no siege of Olympus or any of that shit would ever happen because even the Justice League knows (from multiple stories beforehand) that you don't fuck with the Greek gods, regardless of if you are Superman or not. Instead you just get some lame moralizing and drama shit.
I think the Warrior culture angle works, but it needs to be more subdued and only come out if and when there's no other choice.
I don't think it does because any time someone starts playing around with it, doesn't take long before we're straight up into Xena territory except gayer.
THe unreemable in her rogues gallery are like, Dr. Psycho. Give a few more entertainingly fucked up villains like that (just look up lolcows and adapt, honestly).
I'm honestly surprised that Dr. Psycho hasn't become a much more prominent WW rogue in the last few years given the whole incel shit. You'd think the hacks that work in modern comics would love using a rapey, misogynistic, deformed dwarf with psychic powers to push their soapbox moralizing.
Wondy, post-crisis, was more of a naive heroine who'd just popped up in the world. It was refreshing and I think people should really look at the George Perez run to get the fundamentals down. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than the shit that came later.
I like some parts of Perez's run but dislike most of it. He didn't understand Wonder Woman's foundations and tried to turn her into something that was more understandable to him but very much distant from WW's original conception.
That being said, I'm not sure what else they could have him do these days. You'd need competent writers doing more characterization based stories instead of Superman hits big thing.
We already have a lot of those. People keep saying "we need to have stories of Superman being kind and shit" and then writers do that and then people get bored and then we're back at square one. Being heroic in personality isn't exclusive to Superman, you can write a story with Batman, Green Lantern, Flash, even freaking Plastic Man doing this. What we don't have is enough stories of Superman actually being shown as an extremely competent hero, someone that you could actually see being one of the top dogs and leaders and not just a flying brick.
I think the idea of Mr. Freeze being not willing to accept help in trying to cure Nora...
...Freeze becomes even more shut-off from the world as he's convinced that only he can cure her permanently.
I guess it's fine but it seems a bit too overly complicated to arrive at the same character of Mr. Freeze I was pushing for.
 
Diana has the talk with Zeus and they hear a characteristic bunch of boom tubes loaded with the entirety of Earth's costumed community.

Diana then sighs and tells Zeus this is on his head.
I'd have it so that it would be one of Diana's jobs, to prevent such an occurrence from happening. Hera would send Diana messages through telepathy or some signal to tell her that Zeus has gone missing, and Athena would tell Diana where he's likely gone. Then Diana's job would be to ferret Zeus out, whether he's disguised as an animal, a regular human, or as a superhero.

Like say, imagine Diana is sent by Hera to Metropolis, where she bumps into Superman and Lois Lane. Superman is acting uncharacteristically horny towards Lois Lane to the point where the latter finds it uncomfortable, then she gets a message from Batman, asking for her help, saying that both he and Superman are in New York stopping a monster attack, and Diana puts two and two together and realizes that the Superman who's lusting towards Lois is actually Zeus. Diana whips out the lasso of truth, and restrains the false Superman, and the lasso transforms him back into Zeus, and Diana has to drag him back to Olympus, apologizing to Lois about what happened. Come the next day, Superman is right outside Mount Olympus with an angry face and half the Justice League, and Diana and Hera have to apologize for Zeus' actions.
 
I'd have it so that it would be one of Diana's jobs, to prevent such an occurrence from happening. Hera would send Diana messages through telepathy or some signal to tell her that Zeus has gone missing, and Athena would tell Diana where he's likely gone. Then Diana's job would be to ferret Zeus out, whether he's disguised as an animal, a regular human, or as a superhero.

Like say, imagine Diana is sent by Hera to Metropolis, where she bumps into Superman and Lois Lane. Superman is acting uncharacteristically horny towards Lois Lane to the point where the latter finds it uncomfortable, then she gets a message from Batman, asking for her help, saying that both he and Superman are in New York stopping a monster attack, and Diana puts two and two together and realizes that the Superman who's lusting towards Lois is actually Zeus. Diana whips out the lasso of truth, and restrains the false Superman, and the lasso transforms him back into Zeus, and Diana has to drag him back to Olympus, apologizing to Lois about what happened. Come the next day, Superman is right outside Mount Olympus with an angry face and half the Justice League, and Diana and Hera have to apologize for Zeus' actions.
See, the idea of Superman wrangling up a posse and going to beat the shit out of the guy who tried to rape his wife is perfect.

Have Batman there too, useless if a fight goes down but he’s got Clark’s back, no matter how insane the scenario.

“Bruce, surely you can see how insane this is?!”

“Zeus’s crime is unforgivable, even if he wasn’t sucessful.”

“Clark you can’t just fight a god, he’s above even your strength.”

She’s just the hall monitor trying to prevent a cosmic embarrassment.
 
I'd have it so that it would be one of Diana's jobs, to prevent such an occurrence from happening. Hera would send Diana messages through telepathy or some signal to tell her that Zeus has gone missing, and Athena would tell Diana where he's likely gone. Then Diana's job would be to ferret Zeus out, whether he's disguised as an animal, a regular human, or as a superhero.

Like say, imagine Diana is sent by Hera to Metropolis, where she bumps into Superman and Lois Lane. Superman is acting uncharacteristically horny towards Lois Lane to the point where the latter finds it uncomfortable, then she gets a message from Batman, asking for her help, saying that both he and Superman are in New York stopping a monster attack, and Diana puts two and two together and realizes that the Superman who's lusting towards Lois is actually Zeus. Diana whips out the lasso of truth, and restrains the false Superman, and the lasso transforms him back into Zeus, and Diana has to drag him back to Olympus, apologizing to Lois about what happened. Come the next day, Superman is right outside Mount Olympus with an angry face and half the Justice League, and Diana and Hera have to apologize for Zeus' actions.

What's funny is that, given the recentish thing in the Shazam book where Zeus and co. are pissy about not being respected/worshipped. . .

Yeah, this has been potentially set up.

See, the idea of Superman wrangling up a posse and going to beat the shit out of the guy who tried to rape his wife is perfect.

Have Batman there too, useless if a fight goes down but he’s got Clark’s back, no matter how insane the scenario.

“Bruce, surely you can see how insane this is?!”

“Zeus’s crime is unforgivable, even if he wasn’t sucessful.”

“Clark you can’t just fight a god, he’s above even your strength.”

She’s just the hall monitor trying to prevent a cosmic embarrassment.
Identity Crisis 2.0 ends with a bang.

"What do you mean you made a Hellbat suit for kryptonians?"
"What, why is Lobo here? Clark, what the fuck happened? Wait, why's Luthor here?"

(Remember, Luthor still has positive feelings for Lois and I'd imagine that Lobo'd be all in on this sorta thing either out of respect for Supes, a desire for loot, or some combo of this. )

Also, don't forget, Lois' dad is/was one of the pivotal espionage people that has plenty of in-universe clout. We're not just talking about all the costumes coming out, we're talking about General Sam Lane pulling every string he can to join in the siege. We're talking Task Force XI being called, Chemo being loaded with hydra poison kinda bullshit.

Sure, Zeus controls lightning, how good's that when you have a red lantern ring following Clark around and slapping itself onto him. Or something akin to this.

Diana tries to tell Zeus that he's inviting more chaos than worthwhile as an Nth Metal rod the size of a trailer is being used as a battering ram. Superman's somehow roped in everyone he can, including Black Adam. Sam Lane's army of task force X shit, black ops, and whatnot crawl into Olympus' sewers. The United Planets waits outside Olympus' fucking Outer Space entrance as it seems Clark's called in a favor via Zod (who. . . let's be real. he's a dickback militarist, but the culture of honor element would probably lead to him helping out in this. )

For once, we see Superman be a leader in an operation of this scale since the early '90s Dan Jurgens Brainiac Attacks story.
 
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