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[Legacy_Lolcow_Hunter]

It's worse than that, unfortunately. Gerard Jones was convicted of possessing child pornography, and since then Marvel and DC have mostly avoided reprinting his work. It's why the Marvel Wonder Man omnibus didn't include his run, the upcoming Amalgam omnibus doesn't include his one shots, why the Hal Jordan Green Lantern trade paperback got shut down. However, with JLI they can't really avoid the issues he wrote without taking big chunks out of the storyline and rendering it incomprehensible. I'm surprised there's not more outcry about his work being reprinted, but I guess most people just want to see the other creators get some money.

What is it with comic writers doing the more out of left field shit? Such as from what I’ve heard of a particular writer(I don’t know his name) who made Azrael Nightcrawler’s dad turning Angel into a pedo or whatever the hell happened with Carol Danvers being Marcus’ husband and child?

Speaking of Wonder Man, how was Gerald’s run? I believe I might’ve seen panels of his run where he started to gain more powers through laser eyes and size changing as he progressed learning his ionic energy abilities.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Ice was literally killed off because Vado was pissy that fans loved her and not his personal waifu Maxima and through his indie ties, managed to keep her dead for a decade, until Gail Simone burnt her own build up favors being allowed to bring her back to life.

Also, fuck the new JLI omnibus. Not only did it not include Armageddon 2001 (resulting in major plot holes and unresolved cliffhanger syndrome) but also for cramming them in the 2000s era JLI stuff instead of waiting until the very last JLI omnibus, since the whole omnibus run was promoted as the definitive collection for the entire JLI run, not just the Giffen shit. Especially since we'll now never fucking get the Christopher Priest JLTF run at this point collected.

What's funny is that. . .

I've never heard of Vado. Was he relevantly big back then?

Ice being brought back to life was kinda not a bad idea, but I recall that it was kinda sudden and weird.

Anyways, the scene of Guy and Ice in the leadup to Blackest Night was 100% worth it and funny.

 

[3deadniggers]

Can any one recommend me some comics like Puppet Master? Little action but interesting story lines. Not interested in cape shit or multi comic stories. I want something I can casually read by finding it online and going chapter by chapter not needing a spread sheet.

 

[Humble Architect]

Reread Ultimates 1&2

I have fond childhood memories of watching the animated movies and later reading them in the local library (and being way too young) and despite all the flaws and shit that didn’t age well, I love these two series.

Cap in particular stands out, really like this version, he’s believable in how he acts and behaves, his loneliness is much more pronounced than his mainline counterpart.

 

[Legacy_Lolcow_Hunter]

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Reread Ultimates 1&2

I have fond childhood memories of watching the animated movies and later reading them in the local library (and being way too young) and despite all the flaws and shit that didn’t age well, I love these two series.

I’m very indifferent when it comes to the Ultimate Universe of Marvel, there’s definitely a lot of stuff they promote that’s pretty cool conceptually such as making a another universe that’s friendly for new readers, but then it does crap like making Hulk a creepy horny cannibal who wants to shag sheets with Betty who treats Bruce Banner like shit, and well there’s obviously the thing where half of the characters are assholes expect for Thor, Wasp and Iron-Man if I remember correctly.

Though despite all that, I will say there’s stuff in that comic that promises something worthy of telling, and I believe the animated movie fulfilled what the comic wanted to achieve.

 

[Humble Architect]

I’m very indifferent when it comes to the Ultimate Universe of Marvel, there’s definitely a lot of stuff they promote that’s pretty cool conceptually such as making a another universe that’s friendly for new readers, but then it does crap like making Hulk a creepy horny cannibal who wants to shag sheets with Betty who treats Bruce Banner like shit, and well there’s obviously the thing where half of the characters are assholes expect for Thor, Wasp and Iron-Man if I remember correctly.

Though despite all that, I will say there’s stuff in that comic that promises something worthy of telling, and I believe the animated movie fulfilled what the comic wanted to achieve.

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Reimagining Iron Man as a dying man looking to do some good before he goes was great. Ultimate Tony was the heart of the team and his breakdown in the aftermath of the Galactus arc is one of the saddest things in that universe. You really got the sense that Tony, Steve and Thor were friends (with a neat political trinity too) the way those three are is how the main versions of the three should be, brothers to the end

Ultimate Hulk mostly sucks but I think the idea warrants another shot, removing the altars and taking a trait from all Hulks and making it less a split personality but Banner’s deepest thoughts/id is cool. Returning him to his grey villainous roots is a sound idea, they just needed to reign it in.

He is funny though, just a chud whose murders SHIELD keeps covering up

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The Ultimate Universe helped get me into Marvel, as it was just starting up around the time comics caught me, but quickly I abandoned it for the mainline universe except for Ultimate Spider-Man. Part of the issue is a big problem new superhero universes tend to have. New 52, 2099, Image, and even the Rippaverse quickly had this issue: Trying to do too much too quickly.

The creators never want to start small and grow out. They want everything to be just as big and epic as the mainline DC and Marvel continuities and it becomes exhausting and off putting as wave after wave of new characters, or new interpretations of old characters, are shoved into each story before we have time to learn who our main heroes are. Isom #1 is meant to introduce the character of Isom, then takes time away to set up Alpha Core and Yaira, characters who wouldn't get their first issues for another year or two and only served to detract from the story that's taken three issues and two years to tell, because issue two spent most of its page count introducing the supernatural side of things. Image was even worse, cramming new characters and expys of established heroes (Multiple versions in some cases) into issues that were consistently late.

The Earth One universe worked by keeping things stand alone and making the old continuity introduced slowly. By Superman volume three, we only have a handful of his rogues gallery introduced and three solid stand alone stories. Batman volume three crammed a bunch of crap in at the end, but that's because Johns knew this was likely going to be the last book. It's a shame that they're dead now, it could have worked if they'd just gotten them out quicker.

I have no interest in checking the new Ultimate verse out because every old one has burned me thus far. If it works, cool. If not, I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The Ultimate Universe helped get me into Marvel, as it was just starting up around the time comics caught me, but quickly I abandoned it for the mainline universe except for Ultimate Spider-Man. Part of the issue is a big problem new superhero universes tend to have. New 52, 2099, Image, and even the Rippaverse quickly had this issue: Trying to do too much too quickly.

The creators never want to start small and grow out. They want everything to be just as big and epic as the mainline DC and Marvel continuities and it becomes exhausting and off putting as wave after wave of new characters, or new interpretations of old characters, are shoved into each story before we have time to learn who our main heroes are. Isom #1 is meant to introduce the character of Isom, then takes time away to set up Alpha Core and Yaira, characters who wouldn't get their first issues for another year or two and only served to detract from the story that's taken three issues and two years to tell, because issue two spent most of its page count introducing the supernatural side of things. Image was even worse, cramming new characters and expys of established heroes (Multiple versions in some cases) into issues that were consistently late.

The Earth One universe worked by keeping things stand alone and making the old continuity introduced slowly. By Superman volume three, we only have a handful of his rogues gallery introduced and three solid stand alone stories. Batman volume three crammed a bunch of crap in at the end, but that's because Johns knew this was likely going to be the last book. It's a shame that they're dead now, it could have worked if they'd just gotten them out quicker.

I have no interest in checking the new Ultimate verse out because every old one has burned me thus far. If it works, cool. If not, I wouldn't be surprised.

well, everything in the current market's super-commodified to the point that it's kinda absurd. they keep shilling comics that don't even sell, like America Chavez. I'd get it if we were in some kinda '90s era thing where they went all in on what sold well.

But no, now they're trying to gaslight and shill what they wish sold well. Plus, comics are just vehicles for the mass media, with a focus on spectacle. Peter Parker ain't allowed to ever get happiness now. Tony Stark will never return to like Civil War era darker tony. Etc.

But, by god, they will turn someone gay every year.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Have any of you guys been reading any of the Ghost Machine books? I think they are pretty ok stories with great art so far.

 

[MirrorNoir]

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Reread Ultimates 1&2

I have fond childhood memories of watching the animated movies and later reading them in the local library (and being way too young) and despite all the flaws and shit that didn’t age well, I love these two series.
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Cap in particular stands out, really like this version, he’s believable in how he acts and behaves, his loneliness is much more pronounced than his mainline counterpart.

Ultimates 2 has aged like fine wine, especially Grand Theft America, though I can understand being driven to drink due to lazy fuck Hitch cauing there to be like 6-12 month gaps between issues (to the point that if I was Marvel, I would have said "fuck you and fuck Bendis" and permanently reassigned Bagley to Ultimates at least around the time Ultimates 1 was wrapping up. It's a story that would have been a 10/10 story of the decade and one of the all time top Avengers stories had Hitch's laziness not utterly derailed it.

Utimates 1 is horribly flawed and desperately needed a god-damn editor to do shit like cut out the entire Hank/Jan wifebeating shit, force Millar to use the Skrulls and the entire subplot about how Hitler was a Chitari puppet and how the Chitari did the Holocaust, and add more explicit but essential filler to set up Hawkeye and Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch and their joining the Ultimates along with making Ultimate War (which remains the best of the Ultimates 1 era stories) fit better into the narrative.

Also (since I haven't done this in a while) X-Men/Spider-Man updates

Amazing Spider-Man #50: The Living Brain (which now has a new body) uses a trigger phrase to cause Green Goblin identity to take over Norman and go evil and Peter admits that he was faking liking Norman and only was working for him so he can stop him when he turns evil again. But we find out that Norman forced Queen Goblin (who finally owned up to helping Kingsley turn Ned Leeds evil/Hobgoblin again) to use the device on Peter, which in turn leads to Norman brainwashing Peter into becoming Spider-Goblin again because Wells is dead set on trying to make Spider-Goblin an evergreen idea so he can get money and royalties off of it.

Fall of the House of X #5: Orchis finally falls as Storm shows up and beats Nimrod, with the plot point that Nimrod, in spite of spending all this time prepping for a final battle with the X-Men, retardedly never took into account Storm being involved. While Nimrod is destroyed, Revanche frees Omega Sentinel from her future self even though we were repeatedly told that Karima's personality was irreversibly erased and overwritten by her future self. Revanche keeps Rogue from killing Karima but they leave her to die but M (IIRC) retrieves her to get her to safety. Afterwards, one of the Mars mutants contacts Scott and Manifold and tells them about Enigma and how Scott has to do the power of love shit to give Jean the needed boost to one shot kill Enigma and the other dominions to end shit once and for all.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Part of the issue is a big problem new superhero universes tend to have. New 52, 2099, Image, and even the Rippaverse quickly had this issue: Trying to do too much too quickly.

Great post.

I've sperged on the "core/A-list" set of solo heroes/teams of DC and Marvel before precisely because of this, because even wise adaptions of the DCU/Marvel U in general still need to start small with only the most important characters. And even then I think the Big Two comics' universes themselves tend to lose track of this thought, lavishing too much attention on something new when keeping their core well-fed with stories, villains, or creators is far more important. Like for DC it's Supes/Bats/Wondy/Flash/Lantern and JLA/Titans, Marvel's Spidey/Cap/Iron Man/Thor/Hulk and FF/X-Men, yeah? Five solo books and two team books would be a lot for new readers to splurge into.

Ultimate Marvel to its credit did only have four titles to keep up with no matter how overstuffed they could be in the actual stories, which is IMO what helped make it so successful besides the then-freshness of the storylines inside. Return to those specific titles (Spidey, Avengers, X-Men, FF) in a Neo-Ultimate Marvel and for an Ultimate DC just make it.... Supes, Bats, Wondy solo books and a JL book featuring the rest of the League, maybe a Titans book if you want but Dick Grayson more prominent but he can safely be a regular in Bats' book. Four titles each.

Ultimates 2 has aged like fine wine, especially Grand Theft America, though I can understand being driven to drink due to lazy fuck Hitch cauing there to be like 6-12 month gaps between issues (to the point that if I was Marvel, I would have said "fuck you and fuck Bendis" and permanently reassigned Bagley to Ultimates at least around the time Ultimates 1 was wrapping up. It's a story that would have been a 10/10 story of the decade and one of the all time top Avengers stories had Hitch's laziness not utterly derailed it.

You had to remind me how aggravating the wait for Ultimates 1 and 2 were. A joke at the time ran that we got more Ultimates animated movies than we did issues one year. And the Ultimates were frequently guest-starring in Spidey and X-Men and used for a couple crossover mini-series like Ultimate Power (did I remember the name right?) precisely to keep them in the comic-buyers' eye because of Hitch's (lack of) work ethic.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I've sperged on the "core/A-list" set of solo heroes/teams of DC and Marvel before precisely because of this, because even wise adaptions of the DCU/Marvel U in general still need to start small with only the most important characters. And even then I think the Big Two comics' universes themselves tend to lose track of this thought, lavishing too much attention on something new when keeping their core well-fed with stories, villains, or creators is far more important. Like for DC it's Supes/Bats/Wondy/Flash/Lantern and JLA/Titans, Marvel's Spidey/Cap/Iron Man/Thor/Hulk and FF/X-Men, yeah? Five solo books and two team books would be a lot for new readers to splurge into.

Ultimate Marvel to its credit did only have four titles to keep up with no matter how overstuffed they could be in the actual stories, which is IMO what helped make it so successful besides the then-freshness of the storylines inside. Return to those specific titles (Spidey, Avengers, X-Men, FF) in a Neo-Ultimate Marvel and for an Ultimate DC just make it.... Supes, Bats, Wondy solo books and a JL book featuring the rest of the League, maybe a Titans book if you want but Dick Grayson more prominent but he can safely be a regular in Bats' book. Four titles each.

For DC it's really

Supes-Bats-Wondy-Flash-GL+ JLA/Titans. Then after those, it's some mixture of Aquaman/Plastic Man/Famous JLA-Titans Members/JSA. DC's still pretty Silver Age centric at times, but literally every relevant hero falls under the JLA-Titans-JSA tree anyways except for Doom Patrol (aside from Beast Boy).

for Marvel

Silver Age mainstays in general, honestly. Were they a mainstay in the first decade of marvel? Then they're all part of the core introduction of any marvel property being adapted, usually. Otherwise we get into the usual shenanigans. Add the Bronze Age/TV show X-Men lineup to whatever X-Men property is being adapted, on top of classic X-Villains like Apocalypse and Mojo. War Machine/Falcon/Luke Cage/Danny Rand get added to the Marvel world's background in some manner. Need more "street" heroes? Cloak and Dagger are often added. Also toss in Ghost Rider or Blade as needed.

Ultimate DC could honestly worth with Supes/Bats/Wondy/JLA book with a sorta anthology title to get Flash/Lantern/Dr. Fate/etc. established

You had to remind me how aggravating the wait for Ultimates 1 and 2 were. A joke at the time ran that we got more Ultimates animated movies than we did issues one year. And the Ultimates were frequently guest-starring in Spidey and X-Men and used for a couple crossover mini-series like Ultimate Power (did I remember the name right?) precisely to keep them in the comic-buyers' eye because of Hitch's (lack of) work ethic.

I don't even remember Hitch that well lmao.

Ultimates was a cool idea that just felt like it got bungled. I'd be glad to see it restarted and just have Miles go byebye.

The animated Ultimates cartoon movies. Oh man. I think that's how I experienced Black Panther for the first time.


Anyways, another point I have with the bloated universes of DC/Marvel is that every time they try to trim and prune them down, they often wind up not doing it all that well. I think Marvel hasn't had any major issues aside from trying to insert Ultimate Universe characters into mainline marvel, then not using them aside from Miles/The Maker.

DC did a decent job with the original crisis. My issue is that Infinite Crisis/Final Crisis didn't see any real use of the Multiverse. I think we had like 2-3 little story arcs in the JSA/JLA books in the mid-late 00s that used the Multiverse a little, but it wasn't much.

If you're gonna bring this shit back, at least use it. Countdown was garbage. Final Crisis was a bit of a schizo mess with all the tie-in miniseries. It felt like we shoulda had a few years of "wonder" with the Multiverse. Maybe have someone show up trying to manipulate situations in the background with multiversal resources. You're telling me we had a JSA arc involving a time rewrite into the Nazis winning and we didn't have Overman show up?

I'm just convinced that DC's powers that be have been drinking the retard juice since 1990.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

DC did a decent job with the original crisis. My issue is that Infinite Crisis/Final Crisis didn't see any real use of the Multiverse. I think we had like 2-3 little story arcs in the JSA/JLA books in the mid-late 00s that used the Multiverse a little, but it wasn't much.

Its weird because now that I think about it, the only person that really tried to play with the multiverse was Morrison

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Its weird because now that I think about it, the only person that really tried to play with the multiverse was Morrison

it's a great tool, but DC during the late 00s was kinda in some kinda clusterfuck. they seemed impatient and then you had the n52 era that kinda shat itself.

feels like Dan Didio kept trying to have his streamlined reboot, but not know what the fuck the fans want.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

it's a great tool, but DC during the late 00s was kinda in some kinda clusterfuck. they seemed impatient and then you had the n52 era that kinda shat itself.

feels like Dan Didio kept trying to have his streamlined reboot, but not know what the fuck the fans want.

I like the idea of a streamlined reboot for DC but they rarely do it right. Like the Leigon of Superheroes has had so many different versions within the last 20 years.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I like the idea of a streamlined reboot for DC but they rarely do it right. Like the Leigon of Superheroes has had so many different versions within the last 20 years.

the first legion's end in zero hour was kinda bullshit, but it was a decent enough send-off.

the need to have like 2 more "canon" legions after that was so dumb.

honestly, shoulda kept the Legion as they were.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I want an Abin Sur/JSA team up set in the 40's.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I want an Abin Sur/JSA team up set in the 40's.

closest we got was a story about Abin borrowing a KO'd Alan's ring for five minutes.

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

then you had the n52 era that kinda shat itself

I looked at the Guide, saw it had 3 or 4 universes entirely of Marvel pastiches, and decided it was not for me

 

[Humble Architect]

Its weird because now that I think about it, the only person that really tried to play with the multiverse was Morrison

That means nothing, Morrison and his ilk were the prototypes for the retards running the show now.

A faggot troon who’s only “talent” was doing drugs and waxing poetic about how much better the Silver Age was. Never forget that him, Millar and Waid were going to “One More Day” Clark and turn him into a cold, distant alien.

He even used the multiverse concept to lay the foundations for the woke shit (Obama Superman)