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Pixy Misa said:
Honestly, save for the few good parts of Rebirth I've heard about, I don't think Superman is having a good time anywhere. Be it movies, games, or tv.

I guess people like Injustice, but that's just an evil AU.

You would think their second biggest money maker besides Batman, would get more love. But not really. Bendis is just one more in the line of people that want to "make Superman more relevant" and fail at it badly.

Maybe the issue is that he needs better writers that actually like the character instead of people "fixing" what's not broken to try to make him more popular? Just saying
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Given the immensely good reception Superman was getting from Rebirth, probably the best the character had had anywhere for at least 10 years, it's even more bizarre that they brought in Bendis to shit all over it and make everyone not care again.
 
You know I'm wondering if the current bad state of comics, I think people like Bendis are just a symptom of a bigger issue.

Some of these characters are pushing 80 or 60 years since they were created. It's nothing but a miracle that DC and Marvel can still m*llk them, but it also explains why they are always so desperate to reinvent the wheel and attempt gimmicks to get our attention.

Superman reveals his secret identity, Captain America is revealed to be a nazi (and then not), Batman will marry Catwoman(actually no) and so on...

Don't get me wrong, I do think the classics still got potential, but I don't think it's possible to m*ilk them that long without a quality decrease between good stories. Unlike Manga, they plan to basically keep using the same characters for... well forever.
 
Almost done with The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, the social commentary is very much of Frank's time when he uses TV interviews throughout the pages to illustrate the rise of the 24 hour news cycle of the 80s where people are feed mostly sensational news instead of facts, the Harvey Dent arc is my personal favorite because of the way Batman sees Harvey as being the same, but with the monster inside him. The armor under his symbol or should I say "target" is a great idea.

There’s times where the art is actually really good but could be fixed up by a great inker and colorist like the panel where he’s back in the suit in the beginning. You can actually see where Jim Lee took some of his style from when it comes to drawing Batman. But then later one when it comes to the stuff when he’s fighting the joker, the way he draws Batman just isn’t very good at all. It’s a very strange book where certain things are drawn pretty well and kinda falls apart as time goes by in other areas like the Superman stuff in particular.
 
AnOminous said:
Frank never really liked Supes much and it shows.
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Which is odd considering how much he has been focusing on his daughter and son as of late. If you read the sequels to The DKR, all of them seem to focus on superman and family a lot more than Batman.

The DKR: The Golden child was all about Superman's kids, with Batwoman being more a side character. Batman didn't even show up at all.
 
“I want you to remember, Clark. In all the years to come, in your most private moments, I want you to remember, my hand, at your throat, I want you to remember, the one man who beat you.”

Damn. What a quote to remember. Even Garth Ennis wouldn't do Superman like that.
 
I'm curious what will happen when Batman and Superman enter the public domain in 2030 or so, since the copyrights will officially expire on them unless there is yet another extension to copyright laws, but seeing as we're only a few years away from Steamboat Willie lapsing into the public domain in 2024, and nobody's heard a peep from Disney over it yet, I'm not sure if we'll get yet another extension (and if we do, it might not be Disney lobbying for it) since only the material from the initial year of publication will enter the public domain.

With Mickey Mouse, it might not be a big deal for Disney this time since most of the stuff people associate with Mickey Mouse was introduced years after Steamboat Willie, but Batman is another story.

Certain elements like Robin, the Batmobile, and the majority of Batman's Rogues Gallery will still be copyright for decades to come, but anything from Batman that was introduced in 1939 would theoretically be fair game if Batman enters the public domain, which poses some interesting thoughts to ponder.

Unlike the majority of the classic mainstream superheroes, Batman can easily work outside of the standard DC Comics milieu and could be adapted to more original works if he were in the public domain. Anyone could publish their own Batman stories and so long as they didn't include later characters and concepts that are still under copyright and stuck to Batman and other original or public domain characters and stories, it would be completely legal.

TL;DR-Do you guys think AT&T/Warner will try and pull some Disney-tier copyright fuckery to make sure Batman and Superman never enter the public domain? I think they will definitely try, at the very least.
 
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Syaoran Li said:
TL;DR-Do you guys think AT&T/Warner will try and pull some Disney-tier copyright fuckery to make sure Batman and Superman never enter the public domain? I think they will definitely try, at the very least.
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Absolutely. There's just too much money involved for them not to lobby for an extension.

The only advantage DC has is that they will keep owning the trademark practically forever. So even if Superman and Batman become public domain, it will be hard for anyone to actually profit from them with merchandise or even title their movies/comics with those.

Copyright is supposed to protect authors, but as far as comic-book goes it really just protects the big corporations that screwed them one way or another. Heck Disney only became a huge corporation thanks to the public domain.

At this point, Copyright extensions just are stealing from the public IMHO.
 
CheezzyMach said:
Doesn't he write Supes as a government stooge? Even though Supes has gone against the US government several times in his history?
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Apparently Superman: Year One was his apology for his prior treatment of Superman. Superman joins the navy and eventually gets discharged from boot camp and goes on a weird adventure in Atlantis. I honestly completely forgot the events of the 3rd volume. I wouldn’t recommend it.
 
CheezzyMach said:
Doesn't he write Supes as a government stooge? Even though Supes has gone against the US government several times in his history?
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He did in The Dark Knight Returns, although arguably Superman was actually right.
 
AnOminous said:
He did in The Dark Knight Returns, although arguably Superman was actually right.
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Ironically Batman and Superman proper aren't that different despite Batman fanboys shitting on the Blue Boyscout.

They both respect the law and try to work within it's limits. Bats is just edgier.
 
CheezzyMach said:
Ironically Batman and Superman proper aren't that different despite Batman fanboys shitting on the Blue Boyscout.

They both respect the law and try to work within it's limits. Bats is just edgier.
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Well, the government didn't think Batman was working within the law. In fact, they were having Supes go arrest him.
 
Detrogen said:
Apparently Superman: Year One was his apology for his prior treatment of Superman. Superman joins the navy and eventually gets discharged from boot camp and goes on a weird adventure in Atlantis. I honestly completely forgot the events of the 3rd volume. I wouldn’t recommend it.
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That's because like through out most of the series nothing happens, Also I love that this series somewhat ironically because it unequivocally confirms that Superman had gross fish sex with Lori...hot
 
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Detrogen said:
Apparently Superman: Year One was his apology for his prior treatment of Superman. Superman joins the navy and eventually gets discharged from boot camp and goes on a weird adventure in Atlantis. I honestly completely forgot the events of the 3rd volume. I wouldn’t recommend it.
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I just came back from reading The Dark Knight Strikes Again. WHAT. THE. FUCK. I thought Frank's hate boner for Superman was too harsh but god damn Dick Grayson got it the worst. That comic was god damn terrible.

Going for The Long Halloween next and I'm going to pretend that events of Strikes Again is non-canon.
 
Zaragoza said:
“I want you to remember, Clark. In all the years to come, in your most private moments, I want you to remember, my hand, at your throat, I want you to remember, the one man who beat you.”

Damn. What a quote to remember. Even Garth Ennis wouldn't do Superman like that.
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Garth Ennis loves him some Superman. He's like the only one Garth won't actively shit on when he's writing about superheroes.

I loved his Hitman run and this is one of my favorite issues. Just Tommy fanboying over running into Superman and having a honest heartfelt conversation about being everyone's hero and the weight that it entails when people expect you to not fuck up.
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KingofNothing said:
Garth Ennis loves him some Superman. He's like the only one Garth won't actively shit on when he's writing about superheroes.

I loved his Hitman run and this is one of my favorite issues. Just Tommy fanboying over running into Superman and having a honest heartfelt conversation about being everyone's hero and the weight that it entails when people expect you to not fuck up.
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Ennis and Moore "get" Superman. Yes, he is essentially Jesus In A Cape. He can be a boring character with no challenges....if you're a shit writer. In the right hands, Clark is multi-dimensional character: an alien who exhibits the best traits of humanity, while struggling to maintain that humanity. A demi-god who has to deal with juggling his Human side (Clark), his super-hero side (Superman) and his alien heritage (Kal-El) as well as a job as a reporter, and a husband.

"For the Man Who Has Everything" showed that despite growing up on Earth, there was a side of Clark who desired the life on Krypton he never got the chance to live - happy with his parents and a wife and son, as well as how much it hurt him on so many levels when it was yanked from him and revealed to be a lie to keep him out of Mongul's way. It also showed the unbridled rage and power that Clark can unleash but fights to keep under control.

"Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" gave the Silver Age Clark the happy ending he deserved, as well as showcasing all the people who affected his life - both ally and enemy. In the end, many people died - Superman included - in order that Clark and his friends could live.

I also recommend "Red Son" and "All Star Superman" as well.
 
Zaragoza said:
I just came back from reading The Dark Knight Strikes Again. WHAT. THE. FUCK. I thought Frank's hate boner for Superman was too harsh but god damn Dick Grayson got it the worst. That comic was god damn terrible.

Going for The Long Halloween next and I'm going to pretend that events of Strikes Again is non-canon.
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I've read Strikes Again several times, in an effort to figure out what exactly Miller was trying to accomplish with it. It's such a weird book; it's like it's trying to be a fun goofy story but it's so openly contemptuous of the characters that it can't even manage to do that.

I will say that it's sequel, Dark Knight: The Master Race, is much better, though Miller is only a co-writer on that one and only does art on some of the side-stories. It's not a perfect story, by any means, but it's a step in the right direction.

Of course, that's without getting into the most recent chapter, which...well, yeah. The less said about that, the better.
 
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