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I was actually going to pick up a copy of Wytches, is it any good?

Wytches is pretty good. It almost follows the Goosebumps routine of character progression, but Jock’s art and Matt Hollingsworth’s colors really bring it to life.

@JimiHendrix My problem with The Batman Who Laughs thus far is that he doesn’t especially act much like the Joker or Batman. He’s just some really malicious guy who has a plan for everything. The Grim Knight got a one-shot to himself and acted more Batman-like than BWL acts in his entire miniseries. It just feels like they designed a costume and went from there.
 
I've found Scott Synder is really hit or miss in terms of quality. I'd like to say he's done more hits than misses, but with the prominence of Batman Who Laughs lately, it really shows off his faults.

I think the issue really comes from trying to make the dark multiverse such a big deal. I think it's a great resource for "what if" style stories and I've generally enjoyed the one-shots that explored those worlds, but at the end of the day, those characters/stories amount to "it's the same character you know, but with an evil gimmick." And for one shots/what ifs, it's okay to go with that style of storytelling, but if you're trying to tell a grand epic or a series of overarching stories with those characters, it falls flat.

Like Detrogen said, BWL has almost no traits of either character he's supposed to embody. Even the Batman "I'm prepared for everything" isn't really used particularly well. His plans tend to be pretty basic. It's not like we had a lack of intelligent Batman villains who rely on plans/tactics to beat Batman.

I think Synder just needs to take a step back. He clearly enjoys telling "big" comic stories, but he keeps trying to one up himself over and over again without taking time to really plan what he wants to do. On paper, his ideas could work, but they need to be fleshed out and the reader needs more time for them to sink in. If he keeps trying to do bigger and better things, they stop being monumental events and just become average and lose all their punch. What's worse, is these grand events also tend to have a lot of hype attached to them, so if something falls flat, it stands out a lot more than a lower stakes story.
 
yeah, aside from his edgyness, which I think is the reason he's pushing the dark multiverse so much, I also am kind of tired of the major events. first it was Dark Knights Metal where BWL is here and everything is going to become edgy forever and that lasted like 6 months. Then it was his run on Justice League, which was..it wasn't bad. But then we found out Perpetua was here, and who is she? she's the Dark Goddess who's going to turn everyone into monsters and everything will become edgy forever and that run lasted like 6 months.

And then BWL joined with Perpetua and now we're getting Death Metal which I think is stated to last for 4 months and everything is going to be super dark and edgy forever.

like I honest to god think Scott is a good writer with things like Black Mirror and Court of Owls, I even like the darker shit like DotF and Endgame, but god I'm tired.
 
I just read the first issue of a Spiderman mini series published back in 94. Spiderman the power of terror. It was a reminder of comics used to be. Superhero action busting bad guys, appearances by the new characters to boost recognition, even some Parker and MJ drama towards the back. I'm gonna try and find the other issues. There's only four a nearly 30 year old mini series managed to more satisfying than anything being made today could ever hope to be.
 
I've come to bitch about Harley Quinn. I honestly think she's such a wasted character, that she could've been really good. I actually really like Harley, just the problem is I only like the versions of her that isn't the fucking canon-version. I think White Knight Harley is great, I think Harleen's Harley is fantastic. I think the original 90s comic Harley is also pretty good.

I really like the versions of Harley that are the straight man to Jokers comedian. And I really hate the fact DC has decided Harley should just be the unfunny female counterpart to Marvel's Deadpool, I've tried so many fucking times to read Harleys recent stand alone comics and all I get is shit like her referring to her ass as a "fun factory" or how she has a catapult on the roof she uses to fling her pets shit at the neighbors called a "scatapult" get it? it's so funny and wacky. I fucking hate that this is who Harley is officially.

I honestly think Harley could've been so amazing if she had become a Batgirl, she actually was a Batgirl for all of 20 minutes in her original comic run and she did pretty good at it. She honestly has all the skills, she's an acrobat like Dick, which could've given them a bonding point, that's actually something I've never seen the two of them bring up.

She has the fighting skills, she's also borderline metahuman with her strength and a small healing factor. Just the whole "Harley needs to break away from Joker and she does this by keeping all the clown shit and running her own circus on coney island!" just...really doesn't land for me. I think her breaking away from Joker by siding with Batman would've been far more interesting. But DC didn't do that because ironically she got too big for Batman, so they tried spinning her off into her own thing and I think it's the worst thing to ever happen to her.

can you tell I just finished watching Birds of Prey?
 
Omg Fables is finally getting an omnibus edition this September!

I have only read the Cinderella series. Is the main title good? I understand they even include a murderous Goldilocks, Gepetto, and Scheherazade herself.
 
I've found Scott Synder is really hit or miss in terms of quality. I'd like to say he's done more hits than misses, but with the prominence of Batman Who Laughs lately, it really shows off his faults.

I think the issue really comes from trying to make the dark multiverse such a big deal. I think it's a great resource for "what if" style stories and I've generally enjoyed the one-shots that explored those worlds, but at the end of the day, those characters/stories amount to "it's the same character you know, but with an evil gimmick." And for one shots/what ifs, it's okay to go with that style of storytelling, but if you're trying to tell a grand epic or a series of overarching stories with those characters, it falls flat.

Like Detrogen said, BWL has almost no traits of either character he's supposed to embody. Even the Batman "I'm prepared for everything" isn't really used particularly well. His plans tend to be pretty basic. It's not like we had a lack of intelligent Batman villains who rely on plans/tactics to beat Batman.

I think Synder just needs to take a step back. He clearly enjoys telling "big" comic stories, but he keeps trying to one up himself over and over again without taking time to really plan what he wants to do. On paper, his ideas could work, but they need to be fleshed out and the reader needs more time for them to sink in. If he keeps trying to do bigger and better things, they stop being monumental events and just become average and lose all their punch. What's worse, is these grand events also tend to have a lot of hype attached to them, so if something falls flat, it stands out a lot more than a lower stakes story.

I found this picture I saved when I was reading Metal. It kind of sums up in a single image all the bad parts of Scott Snyder’s writing. Nobody who doesn’t like comics already is going to read this shit.

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I'm not entirely convinced it isnt a mean spirited stealth parody, since this looks exactly what a parody of woke marvel would look like.
Diversity as envisioned by a corporations think tank.

That's exactly what's going on.

This man...
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...wrote this in the 80's during a similar trend in what supposedly sells.
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Go up to current year(s) and this man retired...
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because...
Christopher Priest said:
So I got a call from DC, and they wanted to talk to me about Cyborg. I gave them the standard stump speech. I don’t want to be a “black writer.” When did I become a black writer? I used to be a guy who would write Spider-Man, Deadpool, and Batman. Why am I no longer qualified to write those characters?

Woke!
 
Omg Fables is finally getting an omnibus edition this September!

I have only read the Cinderella series. Is the main title good? I understand they even include a murderous Goldilocks, Gepetto, and Scheherazade herself.

Its okay. It has your bog standard "gritty fairy tales" plot, but overall its pretty solid up until issue 50 or so.

The covers, though, are kino all the way to the end.
 
yeah, aside from his edgyness, which I think is the reason he's pushing the dark multiverse so much, I also am kind of tired of the major events. first it was Dark Knights Metal where BWL is here and everything is going to become edgy forever and that lasted like 6 months. Then it was his run on Justice League, which was..it wasn't bad. But then we found out Perpetua was here, and who is she? she's the Dark Goddess who's going to turn everyone into monsters and everything will become edgy forever and that run lasted like 6 months.

And then BWL joined with Perpetua and now we're getting Death Metal which I think is stated to last for 4 months and everything is going to be super dark and edgy forever.

like I honest to god think Scott is a good writer with things like Black Mirror and Court of Owls, I even like the darker shit like DotF and Endgame, but god I'm tired.

Just saw an article that showed some preview art from Death Metal, which featured Apex Lex and Dr. Manhattan. Needless to say, Scott isn't planning on pumping the brakes anytime soon with major events. It really is a shame because I do think he can do "bigger" style comics pretty well, but I think he falls apart when he tries to get cosmic level big. Court of Owls would be my go to example of him doing a bigger comic well, without having to go completely over the top.
 
Just saw an article that showed some preview art from Death Metal, which featured Apex Lex and Dr. Manhattan. Needless to say, Scott isn't planning on pumping the brakes anytime soon with major events. It really is a shame because I do think he can do "bigger" style comics pretty well, but I think he falls apart when he tries to get cosmic level big. Court of Owls would be my go to example of him doing a bigger comic well, without having to go completely over the top.

i didn't need to see anymore previews for Death Metal after the Batman Tyrannosaurus was revealed.
 
Just finished Final Crisis it was some good shit. It's the endpoint of the DCU, the simplest story brought to its breaking point. I didn't find it as confusing as most did and the plot holes didn't me. On a story of this scale there's gonna be a few holes in things (ironic considering how holes play a big part thematically). As an event its more of a sequel to Jack Kirby's Fourth World and Grant Morrison's Batman then a sequel to COIE and IC, which may be upsetting to some people but I didn't mind. The first 5 issues do a good job creating an oppressive and bleak atmosphere until issue 6-7 split open the whole multiverse wide open to show hope.


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So I may be a little late to say this given how HBOs watchmen has pretty much gone down the flusher, but j was reading a comic from 2012 and there's an ad for before watchmen on the back
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remember when this.... yes this was the worst thing associated with the watchmen name? I mean aside the Zach synder movie? It feels like just yesterday comics problems were they were too violent and embracing the worst aspects of the days of the industry's past. But you know... between snowflake and safespace, Gotham high and Captain marvel and all the other bs going on with comics right now. I'd actually like them to be violent, sexist, badly drawn and overly edgy because at least then something would actually happen in them that. An almost be considered so bad it's good. That's how I look at the bad comics of the past.
 
Omg Fables is finally getting an omnibus edition this September!

I have only read the Cinderella series. Is the main title good? I understand they even include a murderous Goldilocks, Gepetto, and Scheherazade herself.

I read the series the whole way through. It's entertaining stuff; not exactly deep, thought-provoking work, but lots of fun. The start is a good bit of "children's stories, but edgy!" type of things, but that mostly works its way through after 20 or so issues. I think it's peak was probably "March of the Wooden Soldiers" (issues 19-27), though it stayed really strong through issue 75. Issue 75 more or less took the story to a natural conclusion, so it was a lot less directed story-wise for the remainder of the series. It was still good, but the stories were kinda all over the place. And the last major story line seemed to go on forever. Still, I'd definitely recommend the first half of the series.
 
I've come to bitch about Harley Quinn. I honestly think she's such a wasted character, that she could've been really good. I actually really like Harley, just the problem is I only like the versions of her that isn't the fucking canon-version. I think White Knight Harley is great, I think Harleen's Harley is fantastic. I think the original 90s comic Harley is also pretty good.

I really like the versions of Harley that are the straight man to Jokers comedian. And I really hate the fact DC has decided Harley should just be the unfunny female counterpart to Marvel's Deadpool, I've tried so many fucking times to read Harleys recent stand alone comics and all I get is shit like her referring to her ass as a "fun factory" or how she has a catapult on the roof she uses to fling her pets shit at the neighbors called a "scatapult" get it? it's so funny and wacky. I fucking hate that this is who Harley is officially.

I honestly think Harley could've been so amazing if she had become a Batgirl, she actually was a Batgirl for all of 20 minutes in her original comic run and she did pretty good at it. She honestly has all the skills, she's an acrobat like Dick, which could've given them a bonding point, that's actually something I've never seen the two of them bring up.

She has the fighting skills, she's also borderline metahuman with her strength and a small healing factor. Just the whole "Harley needs to break away from Joker and she does this by keeping all the clown shit and running her own circus on coney island!" just...really doesn't land for me. I think her breaking away from Joker by siding with Batman would've been far more interesting. But DC didn't do that because ironically she got too big for Batman, so they tried spinning her off into her own thing and I think it's the worst thing to ever happen to her.

can you tell I just finished watching Birds of Prey?

Look up Gotham City Sirens, it was one of the last books published before DC started their New 52 nonsense and created the modern Harley Quinn. In Sirens it follows Catwoman, Harley, and Poison Ivy following the events of Final Crisis up until the reboot, and is one of the better works trying to separate Harley from Joker.

Another good Harley Quinn story is, funny enough, the Injustice version of her. Both games have a prequel comic where she's a major character, and she's one of the principle characters in Injustice 2.
 
Is the Snyder movie considered that bad? I thought it was a reasonable job of adapting a hard-to-adapt series.
At the time the fanboys said it should never have been attempted. Before Dawn of justice synder got the worst flack from purists who sperged out about how so much was cut out and the pacing was too fast compared to the slow burn nature of the book. They've mostly shut up since then what with before watchmen and then the HBO show dragging it further through the mud. Not to mention it's possible to get a super ultra 4k director's cut with litteraly the whole book deleted, and new scenes added. Right on down to the motion comic tales of the Black frieghter intergraded into the movie.


Look up Gotham City Sirens, it was one of the last books published before DC started their New 52 nonsense and created the modern Harley Quinn. In Sirens it follows Catwoman, Harley, and Poison Ivy following the events of Final Crisis up until the reboot, and is one of the better works trying to separate Harley from Joker.

Another good Harley Quinn story is, funny enough, the Injustice version of her. Both games have a prequel comic where she's a major character, and she's one of the principle characters in Injustice 2.

The problem is ever since the new 52 they tried to turn her into DC's equivalent of Deadpool, more so as his popularity continued to grow apexing with the two movies getting made. When that didn't work they made a new character, toolbox is it? Who's just Deadpool wearing saw blades on his costume to be her new love interest. Yeas they litteraly made crossover shipping cannon just without using the actual character they didn't have the rights to.
 
Look up Gotham City Sirens, it was one of the last books published before DC started their New 52 nonsense and created the modern Harley Quinn. In Sirens it follows Catwoman, Harley, and Poison Ivy following the events of Final Crisis up until the reboot, and is one of the better works trying to separate Harley from Joker.

Another good Harley Quinn story is, funny enough, the Injustice version of her. Both games have a prequel comic where she's a major character, and she's one of the principle characters in Injustice 2.

yep, i've read both. I wrote that post at like, 3am so I didn't list everything, but yeah, her injustice 2 writing I think is a good mix between "wacky crazy" and the version I actually like. I don't super remember Gotham City Sirens, except for at the end she rejoins with Joker and it has great art. Oh and they beat up that midget Joker who tries to kill them with a spiked rubber chicken.
 
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