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Owlman3 said:
Yeah, this seemed like a REALLY bad decision. It just feels like it’ll just Yara Flor in name, but her personality and story arcs will just be copy-pasted from Donna or Cassie, similar to how CW Barry Allen took so much from Wally.

Why does DC keep giving CW permission to ruin their shit?
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i don't think donna or cassie have that much going for themselves that doesn't involve the Titans.
 
I'm surprised they're still making new CW DC shows. Their ratings are like a third of what they were a few years ago. With Arrow and Supergirl ending I figured they were in the process of wrapping the shows up, not adding in new ones. I think even Marc Guggenheim jumped shit to go develop a Green Lantern series for HBO (which will probably suck because that guy is a complete hack).
 
Tor Lugosi said:
I'm surprised they're still making new CW DC shows. Their ratings are like a third of what they were a few years ago. With Arrow and Supergirl ending I figured they were in the process of wrapping the shows up, not adding in new ones. I think even Marc Guggenheim jumped shit to go develop a Green Lantern series for HBO (which will probably suck because that guy is a complete hack).
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if it's a kyle rayner show then the sheer amount of dead girlfriends and kyle getting raped should be something.
 
Supposed to be about Guy Gardener, Jessica Cruz, Simon Baz, and Alan Scott.

Of course it has to be the gay Alan Scott. Again, I reiterate: Marc Guggenheim is a hack and the show will be shit.
 
i've been trying for the past month to read through Cassandra Cain's original batgirl run and it's...kinda not good?

Like there are good moments, Issue 33 if I recall, the birthday one? Is pretty good.

But the fact the writer immediately took a character who's entire premise is "show don't tell" and immediately write in a reason for her to be able to speak and the fact no one seems to know what to actually DO with her..is..kinda bad?

like I'm 35 issues in and what has actually happened? She fought Lady Shiva. David Cain was arrested. And....she kissed Superboy? Like that's really it. Overall I'm just kinda disappointed because I really like the IDEA of Cassandra, but so far the best I've seen her written was in James Tynions Detective run.

I am unsure if I will continue with her run or switch to Gotham Knights. The art has gotten remarkably ugly and the sudden switch to "you know what Cass needs? a fat dick in her" isn't very interesting. I get the reason for Barbara to push her to have a more normal life, that makes perfect sense, but the rather sudden "hey you need to get laid" is off putting.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Supposed to be about Guy Gardener, Jessica Cruz, Simon Baz, and Alan Scott.
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Actually, I don’t think Simon or Jessica will appear. At least it’s what I heard.

I heard it will be Alan, Guy, and an original character as the main lanterns. But I could be wrong.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Supposed to be about Guy Gardener, Jessica Cruz, Simon Baz, and Alan Scott.

Of course it has to be the gay Alan Scott. Again, I reiterate: Marc Guggenheim is a hack and the show will be shit.
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of all the JSA characters to turn gay, Alan Scott is the least believable on account of how much time DC spent discussing his heterosexuality.

JimiHendrix said:
i've been trying for the past month to read through Cassandra Cain's original batgirl run and it's...kinda not good?

Like there are good moments, Issue 33 if I recall, the birthday one? Is pretty good.

But the fact the writer immediately took a character who's entire premise is "show don't tell" and immediately write in a reason for her to be able to speak and the fact no one seems to know what to actually DO with her..is..kinda bad?

like I'm 35 issues in and what has actually happened? She fought Lady Shiva. David Cain was arrested. And....she kissed Superboy? Like that's really it. Overall I'm just kinda disappointed because I really like the IDEA of Cassandra, but so far the best I've seen her written was in James Tynions Detective run.

I am unsure if I will continue with her run or switch to Gotham Knights. The art has gotten remarkably ugly and the sudden switch to "you know what Cass needs? a fat dick in her" isn't very interesting. I get the reason for Barbara to push her to have a more normal life, that makes perfect sense, but the rather sudden "hey you need to get laid" is off putting.
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some people just got lazy.
 
Czargon the Red said:
of all the JSA characters to turn gay, Alan Scott is the least believable on account of how much time DC spent discussing his heterosexuality.
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The only reason I think they turned Alan gay was because the New 52 continuity didn't have his gay son Todd (aka Obsidian), so this was the next best way to fulfill the Token Gay slot.
 
Sorry if it's already been said but I just got up to date on the current run of spider-man, and what the fuck it's actually good?

They finally let kraven die again, black cat isn't a bitch anymore, some of my favorite z-listers gog and gibbon got some solid emotional moments, and now they're undoing OMD? I thought it was just gonna be more "Peter squanders every opportunity in life and then acts like a little whiny baby bitch about it" like it's been for the last 20 years but this is actually fun. Just a shame that the art sucks half the time.
 
TenMilesWide said:
Sorry if it's already been said but I just got up to date on the current run of spider-man, and what the fuck it's actually good?

They finally let kraven die again, black cat isn't a bitch anymore, some of my favorite z-listers gog and gibbon got some solid emotional moments, and now they're undoing OMD? I thought it was just gonna be more "Peter squanders every opportunity in life and then acts like a little whiny baby bitch about it" like it's been for the last 20 years but this is actually fun. Just a shame that the art sucks half the time.
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The latest villains are a revived Sin Eater and a new guy named Kindred, and they've been very effective at making Pete's life hell. The reveal of Kindred's real identity managed to actually surprise me, and I can usually see this shit coming a mile away. (I won't spoil it for you guys, so go find out for yourself).
 
TenMilesWide said:
Sorry if it's already been said but I just got up to date on the current run of spider-man, and what the fuck it's actually good?

They finally let kraven die again, black cat isn't a bitch anymore, some of my favorite z-listers gog and gibbon got some solid emotional moments, and now they're undoing OMD? I thought it was just gonna be more "Peter squanders every opportunity in life and then acts like a little whiny baby bitch about it" like it's been for the last 20 years but this is actually fun. Just a shame that the art sucks half the time.
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Is it Nick Spencer writing? Much like Dan Slott, he is terrible on social media, but has written some really good stuff. I don't usually read Spider-Man, but his Superior Foes of Spider-Man series was great.
 
Water-T said:
The only reason I think they turned Alan gay was because the New 52 continuity didn't have his gay son Todd (aka Obsidian), so this was the next best way to fulfill the Token Gay slot.
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either that or the new 52 earth 2 thing.

It's kinda funny considering Alan Scott's entire thing is that he's gotten kids and multiple marriages. Maybe They could have made Johnny Thunder gay?

nah, that wouldn't have worked out too well.
 
The new Spider-Man series is hit or miss for me depending on the arc, to be honest I'm pretty sure it only gets as much praise as it does because it's not Slott, but it's heading in the right direction. They're teasing that OMD might be completely undone, and if they do that all the shitty writing from OMD to now doesn't matter because we might get fresh blood to write the Parker marriage. If they don't undue it and were just fucking with us I'm not even going to read pirated Spider-Man anymore, I'll just read 80s issues and cry.
 
JimiHendrix said:
i've been trying for the past month to read through Cassandra Cain's original batgirl run and it's...kinda not good?

Like there are good moments, Issue 33 if I recall, the birthday one? Is pretty good.

But the fact the writer immediately took a character who's entire premise is "show don't tell" and immediately write in a reason for her to be able to speak and the fact no one seems to know what to actually DO with her..is..kinda bad?

like I'm 35 issues in and what has actually happened? She fought Lady Shiva. David Cain was arrested. And....she kissed Superboy? Like that's really it. Overall I'm just kinda disappointed because I really like the IDEA of Cassandra, but so far the best I've seen her written was in James Tynions Detective run.

I am unsure if I will continue with her run or switch to Gotham Knights. The art has gotten remarkably ugly and the sudden switch to "you know what Cass needs? a fat dick in her" isn't very interesting. I get the reason for Barbara to push her to have a more normal life, that makes perfect sense, but the rather sudden "hey you need to get laid" is off putting.
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I felt like the high point of the Batgirl series was probably the Shiva fight, and it seemed like it really didn't know where it wanted to go after that. She was just sorta...there. I kept going with it because I like Damion Scott's art, but it sounds like you've gotten to the point where he left, at which point there really wasn't much of anything left to recommend it. Maybe it got better later, but I'd given up by then. I vaguely remember Gotham Knights being okay around that time, but I couldn't tell you anything that actually happened in it, so it obviously didn't stick with me too much.
 
I can't imagine said:
I vaguely remember Gotham Knights being okay around that time, but I couldn't tell you anything that actually happened in it, so it obviously didn't stick with me too much.
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well, i've read Stephanie Browns batgirl run. Read all of Nightwing I care to read. read as much of Cassandra I think I might care to read, at least in this instance, maybe I'll check out her other comics. Read all of batman rebirth and new 52.

so I'm running out of shit on the list.
 
I know a lot of people who hated the last twenty-ish years of Spider-Man that are now back to enjoying it. It's almost enough to get me back into the character... but I'm a huge continuity fag and skipping almost twenty years of stories bothers me. I've tried reading post-OMD stories a lot over the years but there was always something that annoyed the shit out of me that made me go back to dropping it, be it a horrible story arc or the constant loser manchild characterization of Peter during that era.

As for Batgirl, I remember largely liking Kelley Puckett's run on it. He wasn't great at story telling (iirc, he finally 'fixed' Cassie's inability to speak via a random guy just happening to have the ability to rewire brains) but I liked his characterizations of Cass, Babs, and Stephanie. I remember also getting bored of it around the 'Cass has a crush on Superboy' shit but his run ends shortly after that anyway, which led to a revolving door of writers and around that time they killed off Spoiler for a while, too. From what I remember, Puckett had some stories that DC nixed which led to him quitting. One in particular I remember him talking about was Cassandra finding religion. No idea how that would've turned out but it would have at least been interesting, especially relative to the slog that the book became after he left.
 
Flaming Carrot said:
Is it Nick Spencer writing? Much like Dan Slott, he is terrible on social media, but has written some really good stuff. I don't usually read Spider-Man, but his Superior Foes of Spider-Man series was great.
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Killing off Natasha was stupid
 
HeyYou said:
The new Spider-Man series is hit or miss for me depending on the arc, to be honest I'm pretty sure it only gets as much praise as it does because it's not Slott, but it's heading in the right direction. They're teasing that OMD might be completely undone, and if they do that all the shitty writing from OMD to now doesn't matter because we might get fresh blood to write the Parker marriage. If they don't undue it and were just fucking with us I'm not even going to read pirated Spider-Man anymore, I'll just read 80s issues and cry.
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I think that the majority of Slott's stuff is just average at best.
I can't imagine said:
I felt like the high point of the Batgirl series was probably the Shiva fight, and it seemed like it really didn't know where it wanted to go after that. She was just sorta...there. I kept going with it because I like Damion Scott's art, but it sounds like you've gotten to the point where he left, at which point there really wasn't much of anything left to recommend it. Maybe it got better later, but I'd given up by then. I vaguely remember Gotham Knights being okay around that time, but I couldn't tell you anything that actually happened in it, so it obviously didn't stick with me too much.
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Batgirl was always a fun idea, but I think Cassandra Cain required more nuanced talent in writing after the Shiva fight. I really don't like the whole Terror Titans bullshit.
JimiHendrix said:
well, i've read Stephanie Browns batgirl run. Read all of Nightwing I care to read. read as much of Cassandra I think I might care to read, at least in this instance, maybe I'll check out her other comics. Read all of batman rebirth and new 52.

so I'm running out of shit on the list.
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take a drink for every Bat protege. SOme of them are kinda forgettable.
Tor Lugosi said:
I know a lot of people who hated the last twenty-ish years of Spider-Man that are now back to enjoying it. It's almost enough to get me back into the character... but I'm a huge continuity fag and skipping almost twenty years of stories bothers me. I've tried reading post-OMD stories a lot over the years but there was always something that annoyed the shit out of me that made me go back to dropping it, be it a horrible story arc or the constant loser manchild characterization of Peter during that era.

As for Batgirl, I remember largely liking Kelley Puckett's run on it. He wasn't great at story telling (iirc, he finally 'fixed' Cassie's inability to speak via a random guy just happening to have the ability to rewire brains) but I liked his characterizations of Cass, Babs, and Stephanie. I remember also getting bored of it around the 'Cass has a crush on Superboy' shit but his run ends shortly after that anyway, which led to a revolving door of writers and around that time they killed off Spoiler for a while, too. From what I remember, Puckett had some stories that DC nixed which led to him quitting. One in particular I remember him talking about was Cassandra finding religion. No idea how that would've turned out but it would have at least been interesting, especially relative to the slog that the book became after he left.
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they're really reverting OMD? Shiet.

Also yeah, Slott's spidey was kinda boring since it felt like someone trying to force a pre-marriage SPidey. For 20 years. . .

Batgirl's whole ability to speak the language of violence would have been interesting if we had a really good writer/artist team to do an entire arc, without dialogue.
Jelly Duvall said:
Killing off Natasha was stupid
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didn't they revive the Black Widow a while back?
 
I'm glad to hear the Spidey books have been better. I'm actually kinda excited if they really are leading into undoing One More Day. (That was the moment I dropped Spider-man and Marvel books as a whole. Swore I'd never come back as long as it stood.)

I'm really digging the idea that Kindred is the real Harry Osborn. He died all those years ago and knows Peter made a deal with the devil due to his soul being sent to hell. Also, that the Brand New Day Harry is just a clone or illusion due to the devil pact.

As for DC, I've been going through the Bronze Age Batgirl collection. I've been really enjoying it and I'm really bummed just how bad Barbara has been written since her return to the cowl with the nu52. The Gail Simone run was really weak/medicore and everything since Burnside has been sjw and woke central. I really want a book that does her right. Not reverting her to Orcale and not having her be the Robin relationship/sex bicycle.

Any good Indie recommendations? I've been in the mood for a good fantasy/dark fantasy lately. Something that has good action, blood, cheesecake, etc. Something Conan/Red Sonja-ish perhaps?
 
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