Spunt's helpful guide to Britain for fat Americans - Learn about Anglos so you can hate them better

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3. Healthcare

The Bri'ish are very good at inventing things. Specifically, they invent something, get it horribly wrong because they have no idea what they are doing, then other countries fix it and do it better. The British then insist that their way was better and continue doing the thing they were always doing it, and Britain becomes a shithole as a consequence because learning best practice from *spit* foreigners is tantamount to inviting Hitler to be the Queen or something (despite the fact that the Royal Family are already as German as a sausage made out of Panzers and football trophies, but shhh).

We invented trains. We then built our bridges too low, our tunnels too small and our tracks with curves that were far too sharp, making our railways the worst in the Western world and not economically feasible to fix. We invented countless sports (more on those in another post) and then the rest of the world started thrashing us at all of them. We invented America only to have America kick our asses. We invented capitalism and ended up having our economy bailed out by the IMF in 1976 (adjusting for inflation, it remains the biggest loan the IMF ever sent anyone and we were still paying it off until 2010).

And we invented socialised healthcare.

Is the British healthcare system better than the American one?

Yes. Is it very nearly the worst healthcare system in the Western world? Also yes.

This isn't because the NHS is good. It's because the American system is shit. Forget how it's funded for now. The US has the worst healthcare statistics anywhere in the West, however you measure it. Americans pay more (as a percentage of GDP) than anywhere else in the West for worse healthcare than anywhere else in the West. The worst doctor-patient ratio, the worst dignosis rates, the highest negligence and malpractice rates, the lowest recovery rates for almost every fatal disease, and the worst rates for preventing avoidable diseases.

Look at it this way. The operation I am currently recovering from was done entirely privately and funded (apart from $200 for the initial meeting with the surgeon) entirely by private insurance that costs me a whopping $15 a month. The amount the entire operation cost me and my insurers put together was less than HALF what it would have cost in the USA, and I would be statistically more likely to develop a complication or even die in the USA as well.

If I had (as an increasing number of desperate Brits are starting to do, including some of my friends) gone abroad to Romania or Turkey to have it, it would have cost half as much AGAIN and not been any riskier (seriously, if you're a Brit and you're stuck on an interminable NHS surgery waiting list or you don't trust sleepy NHS doctors to not remove the wrong organ, look into Romania - cheap, quality surgery in luxury surroundings is becoming a serious industry there and you will be treated like royalty rather than resource-sapping scum like you would in the filthy Soviet misery cubes they call NHS hospitals).

Most Brits don't understand the US healthcare system in the slightest. Whilst it is pretty bad, it's not as bad as your average Brit thinks it is. As far as we are concerned, if you show up bleeding on the doorstep of an American hospital, they will administer a paper bag test and rummage through your wallet for your credit cards. Fail either of those tests, and they chuck you back into the street to bleed out, then sue you for getting their steps dirty. Brits have no idea what Medicare or Medicaid are or what they do, and they think that Obamacare was an American NHS that would have solved every problem and that Bad Orange Man sabotaged it because he masturbates to dying children then smears their liver bile over his face for that fresh orange glow.

Why is this? It's because of the Labour Party and their allies in the BBC. Allow me to explain.

There are very few things that the Labour party have done that are still popular. They nationalised a vast number of industries (everything from holiday tour operators to road haulage, the railways, airlines and carmakers), and ran them all into the ground while the rest of the world surged past us. Until 1987, if you wanted a telephone, you had to apply to the Post Office for one and it would take months to be installed, if the installers weren't on strike which they usually were, and your phone would be shit. Labour enthusiastially promoted the uncontrolled trade union militancy of the 1970s (which reduced the UK to an official 3-day working week to save electricity at one point, so many coal miners and power workers were on strike) then openly opposed Thatcher's campaign of taming them in the 1980s. They opposed the Falklands war, and said we should just hand over our territory to any two-bit junta that invades it because something something Imperialism (even though the Falklands have been British since before Argentina even existed and if anyone was being Imperialist it was the Argies). Thatcher won that war in large part just to spite the Labour party and it made her massively popular (oh yeah, and the Americans didn't lift a finger to help - "An Attack on One is an Attack on All" my hairy 3-buttocked arse, and we'll remember that if the Chinese invade Guam or something).

The Labour party adopted an openly pro-Soviet attitude during the height of the Cold War. It later emerged from the Mitrokhin archives that Labour had been infiltrated by the Stasi and the KGB, and that Brezhnev saw Labour governments as a way to keep Britain weak and did whatever he could to get them into power - Thatcher on the other hand made the Soviets shit themselves in fear.

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(John Major not so much)

Then Blair brought you the chaos of Devolution and our reviled participation in the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Now of course the wokescolds have invaded Labour and call working-class Northerners racist for objecting when Pakistani rape gangs kidnap their daughters and use them as living sex toys. The same Pakistani immigrants welcomed into this country by, of course, the Labour party. Basically, everything of significance the Labour Party ever did is now hated by everyone.

Except the NHS.

Basically the NHS is now the only significant thing the British Left has done that people still like. And they only still like it due to a 75-year propaganda campaign that has even been adopted by the Conservatives because they are so frightened of being seen to be against it. The standard employment contract for most NHS workers makes criticising the NHS on social media a disciplinary offence. The American system (which remember the British think is even more barbaric than it actually is) is used as a boogeyman and presented as the only possible alternative whenever anyone dares to raise the possibility of even the slightest reform. There is a complete media blackout on systems such as those in Portugal, Australia, Japan, Singapore or Germany where a hybrid private/socialised system delivers better medical outcomes, lower costs for patients and infinitely less bureaucratic bullshit. But that would involve politicians from every party and the entirety of the media admitting they were wrong for the last 75 years so good fucking luck with that. And of course if people start to question whether a compulsory state-funded health service is a good idea, people start to ask awkward questions about the BBC's generous funding arrangements, so good luck getting the BBC to cover any of this properly. These threats were used by Labour for decades to make sure NHS staff dutifully voted Labour, something that became known as a part of Labour's "Client State" strategy - expand the public sector, then threaten people into voting for you by saying that the other lot will delete your job (the SNP have adopted this strategy very effectively in Scotland as well). As the largest single employer in all of Europe save the Russian military, with 1.6 million staff, this bought Labour a LOT of votes over the years.

Why the NHS is shit

Accident and Emergency (ER for 'muricans) is exciting and glamorous, and therefore is the only aspect of the NHS the media ever talk about. As budgets have become stretched, any attempt to cut back on A&E is met with screams of bloody murder from the media and interest groups. So the cuts go to less glamorous places instead. George Clooney never starred in an Emmy-winning drama about a diabetes clinic or a pain management clinic, so these services were quietly closed without a squeak from the usual suspects. But, denied the chance to manage their conditions, these patients would end up in A&E instead. It has got so bad that people are often told by their GPs to wait until their condition is bad enough to end up in hospital before seeing them again because there is no treatment or preventative medicine for them unless it's a total crisis. Of course it costs orders of magnitude more to treat these patients in A&E than in a local clinic, and in the meantime they get so sick they have to go on disability, impoverishing them and preventing them from paying any the taxes that fund the NHS. This media-driven, ass-backwards way of prioritising is fundamental to the way the NHS is run.

WARNING: You are entering a Joke Desert. Severe shortages of funny for several paragraphs. Stock up on chuckles before proceeding, you will fucking need them.

As a result, the NHS is only any good at treating acute (short-term) conditions. If you turn up with something that's bleeding or infected, you're probably going to get the treatment you need. But develop a chronic (long-term) problem, and you're probably fucked, because the NHS hasn't got a fucking clue what to do with you. The condition I'm being treated for privately right now is not rare, but in three years of trying to get the NHS to investigate my problems I got absolutely nowhere, got accused of making my symptoms up, and had a referral to the needed specialism over-ruled twice by my GP's boss without explanation, during which I became too sick to work full-time. Whilst my operation was funded by my insurance, much of my diagnostic work wasn't and I've had to pay thousands out of my own pocket to get to this stage. When I finally sat in front of the correct specialist consultant (a private doctor who had quit the NHS because they "wouldn't let him treat patients anymore"), he took one look at me and said "Jesus Christ, why didn't they send you to me years ago?" But we both knew the answer to that.

A friend of a friend was suffering from health problems that NHS doctors either failed to diagnose, or told him to his face that he was making up. He then went to medical school, qualified as a doctor, got a specialism, then gained the right to do private diagnostic tests on himself before diagnosing himself with his own condition. This entire process took a decade, and by the end of it the NHS had STILL not got past telling him that he had psychiatric problems rather than the serious bone disease he really had.

If you have a condition that the NHS cannot diagnose, particularly (but by no means exclusively) if you are female, the NHS will instead try to make you out to be a munchie, a pill-seeker or a malingerer. My best friend's cousin was suffering from explosive headaches and bizarre neurological symptoms including seizures, but because she tested negative for epilepsy, a diagnosis of Munchausen's Syndrome was placed on her record without her knowledge (and by a doctor who was not the qualified psychiatrist required to make such a diagnosis), and for years, every time she went to a GP she was either ignored or, on one memorable occasion, accused to her face of trying to get painkillers prescribed in order to sell them on to the local junkies. She scraped together every penny she had to get a private MRI scan, and lo and behold, twelve years after she first went to her GP about her headaches, it emerged she had a skull lining malformation that caused a bone spur to dig into her brain, and underwent emergency neurosurgery.

When she tried to get post-surgical painkillers, she was refused because Munchausen's Syndrome was STILL on her record and she had to make her own painkilers from imported Irish cough syrup and dark web tutorials. In a first world country.

The very worst area of the NHS is maternity and midwifery. The degree of neglect and negligence is astonishing. Another friend of mine had a particularly traumatic birth of her first child, and a few hours after the birth her stitches burst and blood started to gush out of her groin. She tried to summon doctors and nurses but was ignored. Her frantic husband went to the nursing station and refused to leave until he was seen, and instead of seeing what the problem was they threatened to have him arrested. By the time anyone checked on his wife, she had lost so much blood she was given a 50/50 chance of survival, fortunately fate was on her side that day.

Oh, and they wouldn't tell her what gender the baby was because the local Somalis were using that information to get backstreet abortions of little girls. In areas with large Muslim populations, it is now NHS policy to withold the sex of your own baby from you. But immigrants are the lifeblood of the country dontcha' know.

Another woman I once worked with told me how her daughter was born with her umbilical cord wrapped around her neck. It took so long for the NHS midwife to notice the problem and fix it that her now adult daughter suffered irreversibly brain damage and is now a drooling vegetable requiring 24 hour care and will never life anything like a proper life.

She was awarded £7000 ($9000) in compensation.

If you go into the Beauty Parlour, you will find VAST number of British "Munchies" and "Spoonies". Bearing the above in mind, how many of them do you think may actually genuinely have something wrong with them? Understand before you criticise. I genuinely believe for some of them that their weird behaviour is caused by a combination of undiagnosed and untreated neurological symptoms and the sanity-destroying effect of being told you are crazy every day when you are in genuine agony.

Oh yeah, let's talk about painkillers, and the body with the most Orwellian acronym in the country - the National Institute for Clinical Excellence - NICE. Nice is a "Quango", a peculiarly British kind of body that combines gigantic power with very little accountability. It is a set of bureaucrats appointed by politicians who have almost total power over some aspect of British life - equivalent perhaps to Federal Agencies in the US but much more secretive and unaccountable. NICE decides what NHS doctors are and aren't allowed to do, and in particular they determine what drugs or other treaments are allowed to be prescribed for which conditions.

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(I think this is their HQ)

NICE have reduced medicine to a series of flowcharts for diagnosis and treatment that NHS doctors have to follow or lose their careers, or even face criminal charges. If your symptoms don't quite match what's on the flowchart, you're not diagnosed. This is what happened to me - despite the latest medical literature clearly saying that my symptoms were not only not unheard of but also very common amongst people with my condition, it wasn't on the flowchart so no dice. The latest research enters a queue for NICE to pontificate over, which can take a decade and even then they'll probably fuck up. If they have an interest in medical research, as many do, your GP probably knows exactly what's wrong with you and what should be done about it, but is prevented by law from telling you or helping you. Britain's best doctors are quitting in droves in order to be able to actually treat patients, either in private practice or by going abroad.

In response to the media shrieking about the "Opioid Crisis" (which is only really a thing in the US), NICE decided last year that nobody without a formal diagnosis would get any painkillers any more. What with it often taking a decade or more (or often never, people go to their graves never knowing why they are sick and being told they are crazy until their condition kills them) for people with even relatively straightforward problems, this leaves hundreds of thousands of people with no legal way to deal with their pain and keep working. Worse, earlier this year, tens of thousands of chronically ill patients who DID have diagnoses had their painkiller prescriptions altered to between two thirds and half of what they were before. They were not told, nor did their GPs, for the most part, follow the required procedure for altering a patient's regular prescriptions, making it illegal. People only found out when they went to the pharmacy and only got a fraction of the pills they got the month before. You will find no mention of either scandal anywhere in the media because muh "envy of the world" and muh "opioid crisis".

It's not even a cost-saving exercise. Opioids are cheap as shit. Just the other day the BBC was crowing about how NICE had approved the use of a drug for a terminally-ill baby that cost £1.78m ($2.45m) a year. For a baby that was going to die. Yet that much money could pay for opioid painkillers for everyone who needs them, allowing them to work and pay way, way more than £1.78m in tax every year. Another example about how the NHS is ass-backwards and driven by media and politics, rather than by medicine or even money.

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"Yay, hundreds will die to give my tard baby another 3 months"

My old weed dealer from my London days told me that that, unlike a decade ago, more than half his clients are not the stereotypical thrill-seeking teenagers and wasted slackers, but working, professional people seeking a painkiller that will allow them to keep working, because good fucking luck getting disability if your medical records say you're a pill-seeker with nothing wrong with you, even if you are wracked by agony. Other dealers have quit selling weed and smack altogether to get into the UK's massive grey/black market for medicines. The government and Police keep smacking down online pill mills offering painkillers and sleeping tablets, but they spring up again, hydra-like, because there is overwhelming demand for their services - not from junkies, but from regular people in agony who don't fit into NICE's stupid fucking flowcharts.

If you are British, and you are unwell but undiagnosed, my advice is to learn about wild plants and how to get medicine out of them. Large numbers of people are now doing this, in much secrecy, amongst a media blackout and having to evade the Police while they do so. This is the state we are in now, we're building 200mph railway lines next to fields where our citizens are foraging for medicinal plants because the government won't allow doctors to treat them. There's no funny joke here. This is just Britain in 2021.

The way the NHS treats its patients is a walk in the park compared to how it treats its staff.

As a result of every single medical condition being funnelled into emergency medicine, hospital doctors are literally worked to death. If you are in A&E there's a very good chance that the doctor who sees you is a trainee who hasn't slept in four days and hasn't seen his supervisor in even longer. Legislation was recently passed to prevent hospital doctors working more than 100(!) hours a week. However, many such junior and trainee hospital doctors were promptly told by their managers (who work 36 hours a week for two or three times their salary) that if they didn't work 120 hours a week they wouldn't complete their placements and their careers would be over.

For the hard of math, there are only 168 hours in a week, and this 120 hours requirement doesn't include mealtimes, breaks or commuting. It's not clear whether this kills more doctors or more patients.

A nurse was forced to lift a 400 pound patient on her own into emergency surgery because he was flatlining and there were no hospital porters available. She fractured her spine in the process, was paralysed from the waist down and was bedbound for six months. When, still in a wheelchair, she attended her "return to work" meeting, she was confronted by seven NHS managers and HR drones. These people had prepared a presentation for her, estimating the number of patients they thought had died due to her six month "unauthorised" absence from work, and sacked her on the spot. Each and every one of those people earned at least three or four times what the missing hospital porters would have been paid to be on duty the night her employers put her in a wheelchair for life.

If a doctor has the temerity to quit all this madness and go into private practice, the NHS persecutes them and tries anything it can to strip them of their loicences to practice, in the guise of the General Medical Council. One doctor was hauled up in front of the GMC for "practicing midwifery" without the correct loicence by assisting in a birth at her neighbour's property - even though the patient in question was a Devonshire Saddleback Pig.

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(It probably voted Tory too, the LITERAL SWINE)

Of course, when an NHS doctor fucks up and kills someone, it's swept under the carpet.

I could tell you more. I could tell you about Stafford Hospital, where it was estimated that between 500 and 2000 people died from medical negligence in just three years from 2005-2008 (from a hospital serving a town of just 68,000 people) and it barely made the papers. If that many people had died on the entire country's railways in that time there would have been literal rioting in the streets (well, more rioting than usual), but because it was the NHS and because there was no smoking wreckage, nobody cared. A handful of people whose loved ones died finally got compensation of about $13,000 each after a decade-long battle. I could talk about how the NHS harboured the world's most prolific serial killer in Harold Shipman, protecting him while he killed anything up to 500 of his patients. I could talk about how David Cameron even used his own dead son to deflect accusations that he might reform the NHS. But I'm too depressed to continue even for a Brit.

Apologies for the relative lack of jokes in this one. It's very hard to make this situation funny, even when your sense of humour is so dark the Police kneel on its neck.

I can't breathe, indeed.
I don't know enough about the US system, but its definitely not nearly as bad as the bs you told us happens in the NHS. Our doctors aren't mired in red tape, are paid incredibly well, and have greater freedom to practice than the shit going on in the UK. Is our healthcare system shit? for 40% of the population, extremely so. for the rest, it isn't nearly as bad as the average horrors you described that go on in your system.
 
Is that actually correct? My recollection of comparative healthcare statistics is that the US was at the top for measures like medical outcomes and patient satisfaction with level of care, it's just expensive and most of the metrics that went into overall numbers were "how socialized are the costs of care" which, unsurprisingly, favors socialized systems.

If you want top of the line care, especially when it comes to cancer, the US is by and large Where You Go. A hospital my mom used to work in had a floor where all the signs were also in Arabic, because that's where the House of Saud came for treatment. "I have to go to America for surgery" is a recurring plot element in Japanese fiction, because your local access to actual good care, rather than the bare minimum, is conditioned on your ability to pay under the table, or on having personal connections to the owners of the hospital.

Is that due to quality of care, or because the system is flooded with diabetic COPD cases who are more complication than human?
American Healthcare is considered poor because it's ridiculously unequal, with some of the best healthcare imaginable (that's unbelievably expensive) and at the same time large swathes of atrocious care. At the same time, we pay exorbitant amounts of public money for two highly inefficient systems, Medicare and Medicaid, which when I last checked, account for 45% of the federal budget (while total defense spending is around 20). Medicaid is especially horrific, as most normal doctors don't accept it, and many Medicaid patients end up going to the ER, which inflates prices. The biggest failure of our system is that it's essentially a battleground between competing interest groups, with the APA and big pharma pushing for the newest treatments (and higher expenditures) versus the insurance companies pushing for reductions in pricing and, failing that, reductions in available benefits.
 
Is the American system inefficient? Well, compared to what? It's anecdata but I've never had one of these stories of things going undiagnosed for years happen to myself, my friends, or my family - unless a publicly-funded Veterans' Administration hospital was involved…
Actually, funny you should mention that...

I'm a US Army vet AND former VA employee, so I've had a fair amount of experience with Stateside government healthcare. For almost a year, I was having recurring chest pains. I wound up in the ER a number of times, with growing frequency; each time I was given painkillers, told GOOD NEWS it wasn't my heart, and sent home. Eventually, it got to the point where I was winding up in hospital every other week, until one day, in the ambulance, delirious with pain and feeling like my chest was about to explode like that scene in the movie Alien, the radio dispatch told us that the VA's EKG machine had the good graces to break down, so for liability purposes they insisted on diverting me to the local, private, teaching hospital. It was the first time I'd been sent somewhere other than the government hospital.

Ninety minutes later, the private practice doctor attending that night told me I had several massive gallstones, and put in a recommendation for surgery.

Of course, the surgery was going to be handled by the VA. So I waited. And waited. And waited. My liver started to get damaged, I had to stop eating for days on end, and trips to the hospital had increased to twice a week on average. At one point, about two months in, an office worker called out of the blue to give me a new available date, and when the call went to voice mail and wasn't returned promptly that afternoon (I was actually in the ER again at that point, writhing in pain), she got very angry and threatened to take me off the surgery list.

And then, when the surgery actually came through, wouldn't you know it? It just so happened that several of the VA's surgical machines had broken down, and no one was able to clean them. The estimate was about six months before the surgical equipment got cleaned, so once again, I got my ass diverted to the private hospital - which slotted me in for surgery three days later, and had me on my feet and right as rain within another two.


Also anecdata, but as someone who's had to deal with both private and government healthcare, I can say that it's very nice to pay no more than my taxes for cold medicines, stomach pills, and the occasional Thank You For Your Service holiday turkey. If I didn't have the VA, and were instead reliant on the local walk-in clinic (filled to the brim with poors and junkies; it's the sort of place where somebody's seen fit to post a sign out front saying "Please do not physically assault the staff! Assault and battery is a crime, and the police will be called!"), then I'd probably go insane, possibly even to the point of trooning out. But at the same time, if something medically serious is going on, I hope and pray to all the Gods in Olympus that my plucky little government hospital's stuff is broken, so they send me to a Big Person hospital instead.

(further anecdata: I'm a British migrant myself - yes I am a filthy immigrant - and one of the reasons my family decided to fuck off out of the UK was because they had enough money to afford their own healthcare and were sick to death of how shit the dental services were. "Patient satisfaction" != "actual quality care")
 
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Actually, funny you should mention that...

I'm a US Army vet AND former VA employee, so I've had a fair amount of experience with Stateside government healthcare. For almost a year, I was having recurring chest pains. I wound up in the ER a number of times, with growing frequency; each time I was given painkillers, told GOOD NEWS it wasn't my heart, and sent home. Eventually, it got to the point where I was winding up in hospital every other week, until one day, in the ambulance, delirious with pain and feeling like my chest was about to explode like that scene in the movie Alien, the radio dispatch told us that the VA's EKG machine had the good graces to break down, so for liability purposes they insisted on diverting me to the local, private, teaching hospital. It was the first time I'd been sent somewhere other than the government hospital.

Ninety minutes later, the private practice doctor attending that night told me I had several massive gallstones, and put in a recommendation for surgery.

Of course, the surgery was going to be handled by the VA. So I waited. And waited. And waited. My liver started to get damaged, I had to stop eating for days on end, and trips to the hospital had increased to twice a week on average. At one point, about two months in, an office worker called out of the blue to give me a new available date, and when the call went to voice mail and wasn't returned promptly that afternoon (I was actually in the ER again at that point, writhing in pain), she got very angry and threatened to take me off the surgery list.

And then, when the surgery actually came through, wouldn't you know it? It just so happened that several of the VA's surgical machines had broken down, and no one was able to clean them. The estimate was about six months before the surgical equipment got cleaned, so once again, I got my ass diverted to the private hospital - which slotted me in for surgery three days later, and had me on my feet and right as rain within another two.


Also anecdata, but as someone who's had to deal with both private and government healthcare, I can say that it's very nice to pay no more than my taxes for cold medicines, stomach pills, and the occasional Thank You For Your Service holiday turkey. But at the same time, if something medically serious is going on, I hope and pray to all the Gods in Olympus that my plucky little government hospital's stuff is broken, so they send me to a Big Person hospital instead.

(further anecdata: I'm a British migrant myself - yes I am a filthy immigrant - and one of the reasons my family decided to fuck off out of the UK was because they had enough money to afford their own healthcare and were sick to death of how shit the dental services were. "Patient satisfaction" != "actual quality care")
Once again, the VA gives someone a second opportunity to die for their country.
 
It's on my bookshelf, definite recommend. He's also a very funny guy, he literally quit the NHS to become a comedian, I guess because crying and laughing are similar on a biological level.
I'd take the book with a pinch of salt personally. The entries start around '07-'08 (I forget) which was around the time he was writing and recording his second album with Suman Biswas. He makes it sound like he was working 100+ hours a week, but he apparently had time to make an album? I imagine a lot of doctors have to put up with the stuff he talks about, I just don't think a lot of the book happened to Dr. Kay.
 
3. Healthcare

The Bri'ish are very good at inventing things. Specifically, they invent something, get it horribly wrong because they have no idea what they are doing, then other countries fix it and do it better. The British then insist that their way was better and continue doing the thing they were always doing it, and Britain becomes a shithole as a consequence because learning best practice from *spit* foreigners is tantamount to inviting Hitler to be the Queen or something (despite the fact that the Royal Family are already as German as a sausage made out of Panzers and football trophies, but shhh).

We invented trains. We then built our bridges too low, our tunnels too small and our tracks with curves that were far too sharp, making our railways the worst in the Western world and not economically feasible to fix. We invented countless sports (more on those in another post) and then the rest of the world started thrashing us at all of them. We invented America only to have America kick our asses. We invented capitalism and ended up having our economy bailed out by the IMF in 1976 (adjusting for inflation, it remains the biggest loan the IMF ever sent anyone and we were still paying it off until 2010).

And we invented socialised healthcare.

Is the British healthcare system better than the American one?

Yes. Is it very nearly the worst healthcare system in the Western world? Also yes.

This isn't because the NHS is good. It's because the American system is shit. Forget how it's funded for now. The US has the worst healthcare statistics anywhere in the West, however you measure it. Americans pay more (as a percentage of GDP) than anywhere else in the West for worse healthcare than anywhere else in the West. The worst doctor-patient ratio, the worst dignosis rates, the highest negligence and malpractice rates, the lowest recovery rates for almost every fatal disease, and the worst rates for preventing avoidable diseases.

Look at it this way. The operation I am currently recovering from was done entirely privately and funded (apart from $200 for the initial meeting with the surgeon) entirely by private insurance that costs me a whopping $15 a month. The amount the entire operation cost me and my insurers put together was less than HALF what it would have cost in the USA, and I would be statistically more likely to develop a complication or even die in the USA as well.

If I had (as an increasing number of desperate Brits are starting to do, including some of my friends) gone abroad to Romania or Turkey to have it, it would have cost half as much AGAIN and not been any riskier (seriously, if you're a Brit and you're stuck on an interminable NHS surgery waiting list or you don't trust sleepy NHS doctors to not remove the wrong organ, look into Romania - cheap, quality surgery in luxury surroundings is becoming a serious industry there and you will be treated like royalty rather than resource-sapping scum like you would in the filthy Soviet misery cubes they call NHS hospitals).

Most Brits don't understand the US healthcare system in the slightest. Whilst it is pretty bad, it's not as bad as your average Brit thinks it is. As far as we are concerned, if you show up bleeding on the doorstep of an American hospital, they will administer a paper bag test and rummage through your wallet for your credit cards. Fail either of those tests, and they chuck you back into the street to bleed out, then sue you for getting their steps dirty. Brits have no idea what Medicare or Medicaid are or what they do, and they think that Obamacare was an American NHS that would have solved every problem and that Bad Orange Man sabotaged it because he masturbates to dying children then smears their liver bile over his face for that fresh orange glow.

Why is this? It's because of the Labour Party and their allies in the BBC. Allow me to explain.

There are very few things that the Labour party have done that are still popular. They nationalised a vast number of industries (everything from holiday tour operators to road haulage, the railways, airlines and carmakers), and ran them all into the ground while the rest of the world surged past us. Until 1987, if you wanted a telephone, you had to apply to the Post Office for one and it would take months to be installed, if the installers weren't on strike which they usually were, and your phone would be shit. Labour enthusiastially promoted the uncontrolled trade union militancy of the 1970s (which reduced the UK to an official 3-day working week to save electricity at one point, so many coal miners and power workers were on strike) then openly opposed Thatcher's campaign of taming them in the 1980s. They opposed the Falklands war, and said we should just hand over our territory to any two-bit junta that invades it because something something Imperialism (even though the Falklands have been British since before Argentina even existed and if anyone was being Imperialist it was the Argies). Thatcher won that war in large part just to spite the Labour party and it made her massively popular (oh yeah, and the Americans didn't lift a finger to help - "An Attack on One is an Attack on All" my hairy 3-buttocked arse, and we'll remember that if the Chinese invade Guam or something).

The Labour party adopted an openly pro-Soviet attitude during the height of the Cold War. It later emerged from the Mitrokhin archives that Labour had been infiltrated by the Stasi and the KGB, and that Brezhnev saw Labour governments as a way to keep Britain weak and did whatever he could to get them into power - Thatcher on the other hand made the Soviets shit themselves in fear.

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Then Blair brought you the chaos of Devolution and our reviled participation in the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Now of course the wokescolds have invaded Labour and call working-class Northerners racist for objecting when Pakistani rape gangs kidnap their daughters and use them as living sex toys. The same Pakistani immigrants welcomed into this country by, of course, the Labour party. Basically, everything of significance the Labour Party ever did is now hated by everyone.

Except the NHS.

Basically the NHS is now the only significant thing the British Left has done that people still like. And they only still like it due to a 75-year propaganda campaign that has even been adopted by the Conservatives because they are so frightened of being seen to be against it. The standard employment contract for most NHS workers makes criticising the NHS on social media a disciplinary offence. The American system (which remember the British think is even more barbaric than it actually is) is used as a boogeyman and presented as the only possible alternative whenever anyone dares to raise the possibility of even the slightest reform. There is a complete media blackout on systems such as those in Portugal, Australia, Japan, Singapore or Germany where a hybrid private/socialised system delivers better medical outcomes, lower costs for patients and infinitely less bureaucratic bullshit. But that would involve politicians from every party and the entirety of the media admitting they were wrong for the last 75 years so good fucking luck with that. And of course if people start to question whether a compulsory state-funded health service is a good idea, people start to ask awkward questions about the BBC's generous funding arrangements, so good luck getting the BBC to cover any of this properly. These threats were used by Labour for decades to make sure NHS staff dutifully voted Labour, something that became known as a part of Labour's "Client State" strategy - expand the public sector, then threaten people into voting for you by saying that the other lot will delete your job (the SNP have adopted this strategy very effectively in Scotland as well). As the largest single employer in all of Europe save the Russian military, with 1.6 million staff, this bought Labour a LOT of votes over the years.

Why the NHS is shit

Accident and Emergency (ER for 'muricans) is exciting and glamorous, and therefore is the only aspect of the NHS the media ever talk about. As budgets have become stretched, any attempt to cut back on A&E is met with screams of bloody murder from the media and interest groups. So the cuts go to less glamorous places instead. George Clooney never starred in an Emmy-winning drama about a diabetes clinic or a pain management clinic, so these services were quietly closed without a squeak from the usual suspects. But, denied the chance to manage their conditions, these patients would end up in A&E instead. It has got so bad that people are often told by their GPs to wait until their condition is bad enough to end up in hospital before seeing them again because there is no treatment or preventative medicine for them unless it's a total crisis. Of course it costs orders of magnitude more to treat these patients in A&E than in a local clinic, and in the meantime they get so sick they have to go on disability, impoverishing them and preventing them from paying any the taxes that fund the NHS. This media-driven, ass-backwards way of prioritising is fundamental to the way the NHS is run.

WARNING: You are entering a Joke Desert. Severe shortages of funny for several paragraphs. Stock up on chuckles before proceeding, you will fucking need them.

As a result, the NHS is only any good at treating acute (short-term) conditions. If you turn up with something that's bleeding or infected, you're probably going to get the treatment you need. But develop a chronic (long-term) problem, and you're probably fucked, because the NHS hasn't got a fucking clue what to do with you. The condition I'm being treated for privately right now is not rare, but in three years of trying to get the NHS to investigate my problems I got absolutely nowhere, got accused of making my symptoms up, and had a referral to the needed specialism over-ruled twice by my GP's boss without explanation, during which I became too sick to work full-time. Whilst my operation was funded by my insurance, much of my diagnostic work wasn't and I've had to pay thousands out of my own pocket to get to this stage. When I finally sat in front of the correct specialist consultant (a private doctor who had quit the NHS because they "wouldn't let him treat patients anymore"), he took one look at me and said "Jesus Christ, why didn't they send you to me years ago?" But we both knew the answer to that.

A friend of a friend was suffering from health problems that NHS doctors either failed to diagnose, or told him to his face that he was making up. He then went to medical school, qualified as a doctor, got a specialism, then gained the right to do private diagnostic tests on himself before diagnosing himself with his own condition. This entire process took a decade, and by the end of it the NHS had STILL not got past telling him that he had psychiatric problems rather than the serious bone disease he really had.

If you have a condition that the NHS cannot diagnose, particularly (but by no means exclusively) if you are female, the NHS will instead try to make you out to be a munchie, a pill-seeker or a malingerer. My best friend's cousin was suffering from explosive headaches and bizarre neurological symptoms including seizures, but because she tested negative for epilepsy, a diagnosis of Munchausen's Syndrome was placed on her record without her knowledge (and by a doctor who was not the qualified psychiatrist required to make such a diagnosis), and for years, every time she went to a GP she was either ignored or, on one memorable occasion, accused to her face of trying to get painkillers prescribed in order to sell them on to the local junkies. She scraped together every penny she had to get a private MRI scan, and lo and behold, twelve years after she first went to her GP about her headaches, it emerged she had a skull lining malformation that caused a bone spur to dig into her brain, and underwent emergency neurosurgery.

When she tried to get post-surgical painkillers, she was refused because Munchausen's Syndrome was STILL on her record and she had to make her own painkilers from imported Irish cough syrup and dark web tutorials. In a first world country.

The very worst area of the NHS is maternity and midwifery. The degree of neglect and negligence is astonishing. Another friend of mine had a particularly traumatic birth of her first child, and a few hours after the birth her stitches burst and blood started to gush out of her groin. She tried to summon doctors and nurses but was ignored. Her frantic husband went to the nursing station and refused to leave until he was seen, and instead of seeing what the problem was they threatened to have him arrested. By the time anyone checked on his wife, she had lost so much blood she was given a 50/50 chance of survival, fortunately fate was on her side that day.

Oh, and they wouldn't tell her what gender the baby was because the local Somalis were using that information to get backstreet abortions of little girls. In areas with large Muslim populations, it is now NHS policy to withold the sex of your own baby from you. But immigrants are the lifeblood of the country dontcha' know.

Another woman I once worked with told me how her daughter was born with her umbilical cord wrapped around her neck. It took so long for the NHS midwife to notice the problem and fix it that her now adult daughter suffered irreversibly brain damage and is now a drooling vegetable requiring 24 hour care and will never life anything like a proper life.

She was awarded £7000 ($9000) in compensation.

If you go into the Beauty Parlour, you will find VAST number of British "Munchies" and "Spoonies". Bearing the above in mind, how many of them do you think may actually genuinely have something wrong with them? Understand before you criticise. I genuinely believe for some of them that their weird behaviour is caused by a combination of undiagnosed and untreated neurological symptoms and the sanity-destroying effect of being told you are crazy every day when you are in genuine agony.

Oh yeah, let's talk about painkillers, and the body with the most Orwellian acronym in the country - the National Institute for Clinical Excellence - NICE. Nice is a "Quango", a peculiarly British kind of body that combines gigantic power with very little accountability. It is a set of bureaucrats appointed by politicians who have almost total power over some aspect of British life - equivalent perhaps to Federal Agencies in the US but much more secretive and unaccountable. NICE decides what NHS doctors are and aren't allowed to do, and in particular they determine what drugs or other treaments are allowed to be prescribed for which conditions.

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NICE have reduced medicine to a series of flowcharts for diagnosis and treatment that NHS doctors have to follow or lose their careers, or even face criminal charges. If your symptoms don't quite match what's on the flowchart, you're not diagnosed. This is what happened to me - despite the latest medical literature clearly saying that my symptoms were not only not unheard of but also very common amongst people with my condition, it wasn't on the flowchart so no dice. The latest research enters a queue for NICE to pontificate over, which can take a decade and even then they'll probably fuck up. If they have an interest in medical research, as many do, your GP probably knows exactly what's wrong with you and what should be done about it, but is prevented by law from telling you or helping you. Britain's best doctors are quitting in droves in order to be able to actually treat patients, either in private practice or by going abroad.

In response to the media shrieking about the "Opioid Crisis" (which is only really a thing in the US), NICE decided last year that nobody without a formal diagnosis would get any painkillers any more. What with it often taking a decade or more (or often never, people go to their graves never knowing why they are sick and being told they are crazy until their condition kills them) for people with even relatively straightforward problems, this leaves hundreds of thousands of people with no legal way to deal with their pain and keep working. Worse, earlier this year, tens of thousands of chronically ill patients who DID have diagnoses had their painkiller prescriptions altered to between two thirds and half of what they were before. They were not told, nor did their GPs, for the most part, follow the required procedure for altering a patient's regular prescriptions, making it illegal. People only found out when they went to the pharmacy and only got a fraction of the pills they got the month before. You will find no mention of either scandal anywhere in the media because muh "envy of the world" and muh "opioid crisis".

It's not even a cost-saving exercise. Opioids are cheap as shit. Just the other day the BBC was crowing about how NICE had approved the use of a drug for a terminally-ill baby that cost £1.78m ($2.45m) a year. For a baby that was going to die. Yet that much money could pay for opioid painkillers for everyone who needs them, allowing them to work and pay way, way more than £1.78m in tax every year. Another example about how the NHS is ass-backwards and driven by media and politics, rather than by medicine or even money.

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"Yay, hundreds will die to give my tard baby another 3 months"

My old weed dealer from my London days told me that that, unlike a decade ago, more than half his clients are not the stereotypical thrill-seeking teenagers and wasted slackers, but working, professional people seeking a painkiller that will allow them to keep working, because good fucking luck getting disability if your medical records say you're a pill-seeker with nothing wrong with you, even if you are wracked by agony. Other dealers have quit selling weed and smack altogether to get into the UK's massive grey/black market for medicines. The government and Police keep smacking down online pill mills offering painkillers and sleeping tablets, but they spring up again, hydra-like, because there is overwhelming demand for their services - not from junkies, but from regular people in agony who don't fit into NICE's stupid fucking flowcharts.

If you are British, and you are unwell but undiagnosed, my advice is to learn about wild plants and how to get medicine out of them. Large numbers of people are now doing this, in much secrecy, amongst a media blackout and having to evade the Police while they do so. This is the state we are in now, we're building 200mph railway lines next to fields where our citizens are foraging for medicinal plants because the government won't allow doctors to treat them. There's no funny joke here. This is just Britain in 2021.

The way the NHS treats its patients is a walk in the park compared to how it treats its staff.

As a result of every single medical condition being funnelled into emergency medicine, hospital doctors are literally worked to death. If you are in A&E there's a very good chance that the doctor who sees you is a trainee who hasn't slept in four days and hasn't seen his supervisor in even longer. Legislation was recently passed to prevent hospital doctors working more than 100(!) hours a week. However, many such junior and trainee hospital doctors were promptly told by their managers (who work 36 hours a week for two or three times their salary) that if they didn't work 120 hours a week they wouldn't complete their placements and their careers would be over.

For the hard of math, there are only 168 hours in a week, and this 120 hours requirement doesn't include mealtimes, breaks or commuting. It's not clear whether this kills more doctors or more patients.

A nurse was forced to lift a 400 pound patient on her own into emergency surgery because he was flatlining and there were no hospital porters available. She fractured her spine in the process, was paralysed from the waist down and was bedbound for six months. When, still in a wheelchair, she attended her "return to work" meeting, she was confronted by seven NHS managers and HR drones. These people had prepared a presentation for her, estimating the number of patients they thought had died due to her six month "unauthorised" absence from work, and sacked her on the spot. Each and every one of those people earned at least three or four times what the missing hospital porters would have been paid to be on duty the night her employers put her in a wheelchair for life.

If a doctor has the temerity to quit all this madness and go into private practice, the NHS persecutes them and tries anything it can to strip them of their loicences to practice, in the guise of the General Medical Council. One doctor was hauled up in front of the GMC for "practicing midwifery" without the correct loicence by assisting in a birth at her neighbour's property - even though the patient in question was a Devonshire Saddleback Pig.

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Of course, when an NHS doctor fucks up and kills someone, it's swept under the carpet.

I could tell you more. I could tell you about Stafford Hospital, where it was estimated that between 500 and 2000 people died from medical negligence in just three years from 2005-2008 (from a hospital serving a town of just 68,000 people) and it barely made the papers. If that many people had died on the entire country's railways in that time there would have been literal rioting in the streets (well, more rioting than usual), but because it was the NHS and because there was no smoking wreckage, nobody cared. A handful of people whose loved ones died finally got compensation of about $13,000 each after a decade-long battle. I could talk about how the NHS harboured the world's most prolific serial killer in Harold Shipman, protecting him while he killed anything up to 500 of his patients. I could talk about how David Cameron even used his own dead son to deflect accusations that he might reform the NHS. But I'm too depressed to continue even for a Brit.

Apologies for the relative lack of jokes in this one. It's very hard to make this situation funny, even when your sense of humour is so dark the Police kneel on its neck.

I can't breathe, indeed.
Top stuff - surprised you didn't mention that case where a midwife ended up pulling a baby's head off after the baby came out the wrong way, and she had the incredibly bright idea to tug on it to get it out. As far as I'm aware, the midwife responsible got away with a slap on the wrist, and is still part of the NHS to this day.
 
I've only ever heard bad things about the NHS. Taking a decade to diagnose something is absolute bullshit and shouldn't be happening in a supposedly first world country.

I'm Australian and as you said we do have a hybrid healthcare system but even the solely public side is leagues better. Slight PL but i used to live in a town where the only public hospital serviced the entire region and was incredibly busy because of it. Even though wait times could be long, like 7-8 hours depending on the day, you still got bloods and scans done and medicated to be comfortable while results come in. You might not get a bed but you were seen and you're problems diagnosed and referred to specialists to be seen soon after discharge. Obviously follow up gets done by your GP who gets you're info from the hospital.

This system does have it's own issues but after hearing about the lack of any redeeming qualities in the NHS makes me extremely glad to have it.
 
When the nurses fuck up and kill someone it's even worse, at least the Doctors name is on the charts try filing a claim against the 5-10 nurses who ignored a patient so bad they develop bedsores and severe contact dermatitis from their own piss. It happens far more often than people realise but mostly to people that have no friends or family that come visit so you rarely hear a peep about it. I expect it bumped up Covid death substantially since all visitors were banned.

£1.7m for that kids drugs is an actual drop in the bucket compared to the prices they pay for all the bullshit irrelevant to patient care. The NHS like all government schemes is a money pit, It's in their best interest to spend more money than they have on shit they don't need so they can say at the next funding review "we don't get enough money" it's a great tool for whatever political party is out of power.

For example I had an acquaintance who worked as a groundskeeper/gardener at a hospital he asked his manager for some wood stain for an old picnic table (according to him perfectly fine just needed sanding and staining) instead his managers boss bought new picnic tables for nearly £1500 each.
The NHS is a job making scheme. Worked that out a couple of years ago. The 7th largest employer in the world?
It's an MLM and FML, no dissing the NHS for their employees?
Lucky that social media is not a thing that I use.
Top stuff - surprised you didn't mention that case where a midwife ended up pulling a baby's head off after the baby came out the wrong way, and she had the incredibly bright idea to tug on it to get it out. As far as I'm aware, the midwife responsible got away with a slap on the wrist, and is still part of the NHS to this day.
It was a doctor who did that and it happened in Northern Ireland. She was at the end of a 48 hour shift.
The people assisting the Dr tried to get her to stop but she didn't listen.
I did not sleep when I learned of it, that night..
It still makes me feel ill thinking about it.
 
I've only ever heard bad things about the NHS. Taking a decade to diagnose something is absolute bullshit and shouldn't be happening in a supposedly first world country.

I'm Australian and as you said we do have a hybrid healthcare system but even the solely public side is leagues better. Slight PL but i used to live in a town where the only public hospital serviced the entire region and was incredibly busy because of it. Even though wait times could be long, like 7-8 hours depending on the day, you still got bloods and scans done and medicated to be comfortable while results come in. You might not get a bed but you were seen and you're problems diagnosed and referred to specialists to be seen soon after discharge. Obviously follow up gets done by your GP who gets you're info from the hospital.

This system does have it's own issues but after hearing about the lack of any redeeming qualities in the NHS makes me extremely glad to have it.
Hard agree. When I had an attack of acute pancreatitis, an ambulance was there in twenty minutes and I got pain relief straight away. At the hospital I had to wait a couple hours for a bed to be available, but in that time I was put in a separate section of the ER where two nurses had their eyes directly on me. No problems getting pain relief once I got a bed either, I don't remember the first three or so days because I was out of my tiny brain on fentanyl. My entire hospital stay of eleven days and eventual surgery was entirely on Medicare. Even the medications that I took independent of the pancreatitis were dispensed by the hospital pharmacy during my stay. They asked me to sign some forms, show some ID, and that was it. Smooth as. I have no idea of what any of this cost the tax payer, because I didn't see even an estimate of the bill.

EDIT: Should probably add that I'm in a capital city and likely have a huge advantage over someone out in the country. If I'd had to rely of the Flying Doctors I'm sure my experience would have been a lot less smooth. Nevertheless, I do heartily recommend the Australian healthcare system model to anyone who cares to ask.
 
I've wondered about why the women were so wretchedly ugly for a long time. Historically, it wasn't the case.

My best explanation is that Britain is a victim of its success: the pretty women followed their enterprising husbands who left for the colonies. Australia, New Zealand, Canada, SA and America don't seem to suffer so overwhelmingly from gorgons with flappy tits.

You could throw in a few other points too: their squalid diets, the repellent Ganguro style, the emulation of the worst forms of American culture. Does anyone have a better hypothesis?

Additionally, Theodore Dalrymple is worth a read, if you take an interest in the general moral and intellectual decay of Blighty.
Also, the inbreeding. I went to secondary school with at least three girls here in the UK who’ve had offspring with their cousins, all white. And one girl with her stepbrother too but that doesn’t count…

ETA: The comments on the NHS here are accurate. I’ve had both brilliant and awful experiences with them, ranging from my last surgery going smoothly and having a private room to recover in, to being told to have a paracetamol and stop being dramatic when my appendix ruptured.
 
ETA: The comments on the NHS here are accurate. I’ve had both brilliant and awful experiences with them, ranging from my last surgery going smoothly and having a private room to recover in, to being told to have a paracetamol and stop being dramatic when my appendix ruptured.
I've shared @Spunt 's posts with some of my family and they agree they're hilarious and accurate.

My sister has experienced firsthand what Spunt has described. After an ear operation, she was refused pain medicine. When my sister went to bathroom, the receptionist insinuated that she was a pillhead. Finally, she went to a specialist, who asked at once, "Haven't you been offered any pain killers?".
 
I'd take the book with a pinch of salt personally. The entries start around '07-'08 (I forget) which was around the time he was writing and recording his second album with Suman Biswas. He makes it sound like he was working 100+ hours a week, but he apparently had time to make an album? I imagine a lot of doctors have to put up with the stuff he talks about, I just don't think a lot of the book happened to Dr. Kay.
I know a lot of doctors and from what they have said his experiences were typical - also, gynecologists don't work quite the hours of some specialisms - the number of midnight fanny emergencies is relatively low, compared to other organs.

I was in a band with a junior hospital doctor, and we just about made it work, though he needed a deputy for gigs when his shifts were swapped around at short notice. As to how you do that working 120 hours a week, the answer is amphetamines.

EDIT - speaking of hospitals, I'm back in at 5am tomorrow so no posts for a bit.
 
Solid post as usual Spunt. Like most people in this thread I fucking loathe the current version of the NHS, and I can share my own horror stoires of it. Like how my mum went in for a simple herniated bowel surgery, and ended up losing almost all of the abdominal wall muscle because they fucked it up so badly. Or how my dad's consultant almost doubled the dosage of one of his meds, and somehow the GP surgery didn't notice for an entire fucking year and carried on prescribing him the wrong dosages.
I always find it amusing that almost everyone in the UK has, or knows of, their own NHS horror stories but still put the thing on a pedestal and refuse to consider any changes, especially when they attribute everything to muh ebil Tory NHS cuts, like it's not wasting money at a depressing rate. Also found it funny when I first moved to the states and all of the liberals I knew were shocked when we talked about healthcare and they found out that instead of advocating for the US to become more like the NHS, I argued the NHS should go the opposite route.

Another thing it might be worth mentioning in terms of the NHS (especially here on the Farms) is the Gender Identity Development Service, although honestly this could get it's own post. For anyone who doesn't know the GIDS (also known as the Tavistock Clinic after it's initial location, and the Trust that runs it) is the only clinic for potential underage troons in the entire UK. As you can imagine the combination of the NHS being shit and troons being insane combine into a spectacular autistic shitshow. Highlights include:
1) A 2 year wait list for an appointment after referral (regardless of your thoughts on troons 2 years from referral to appointment for any medical service is a fucking joke)

2)A comically high turnover of staff who just up and fucking quit. Bonus points for the ones with the stones willing to say why they're really quitting (overdiagnosis of troonism, complaints of "muh transphobia" being used to shutdown dissent etc)

3)The Bell report, which was a whistleblower produced report written by a Dr who worked at the clinic for ~25 years, which stated the place was a fucking joke, rushing people into medical treatments without regard for, or understanding of the potential lifelong consequences. Naturally we can't have a person daring to speak out about either of our most sacred cows, the NHS and troons, so people promptly tried to silence him. There's an interesting interview with him here for anyone interested, suprisingly balanced for something written in the leftist rag that is the Guardian

4)The most recent Care Quality Commission report which listed the place as Inadequate (PC way of admitting it's a fucking dumpster fire)

5)Most hilariously the case of Bell vs Tavistock. This is a request for a judicial review (a quirk of UK law where people can request courts look into the powers of and decisions made by a public body), brought originally by a parent with a kid on the waiting list and a former nurse of the clinic, who was later replaced by a FtM troon who de-transitioned a couple of years after treatment there.
They argued that kids under 16 were not competent to make decisions on shit like hormone blockers and other "treatments" for troonism, as they are unable to understand the long term consequences, and therefore incapable of giving informed consent. Somewhat surprisingly the court agreed with them, thus immediately causing untold asspain to troons and troon enablers everywhere.
Case is currently under appeal, and oral arguments were heard a few weeks ago, although a final ruling isn't expected for quite a while. In the meantime the NHS has been forced to change their policies about referring kids for hormone blockers, meaning even if the appeal is eventually successful hopefully at least some of the kids will have had long enough to reconsider fucking their life up in the meantime.

One thing I would take issue with in your post though is this bit Spunt:
(oh yeah, and the Americans didn't lift a finger to help - "An Attack on One is an Attack on All" my hairy 3-buttocked arse, and we'll remember that if the Chinese invade Guam or something).
While it's true they didn't participate as a combatant (which is probably a good thing given the potential that would have had to draw the Soviets in), they did provide a fair amount of other exceptionally useful help. They allowed us to use their facilities on Ascension island, including diverting a supertanker to refuel the fleet (which is a good thing since some of the ships were empty by the time they got that far). They were quietly willing to lend us a replacement if we lost our carrier, which was potentially extremely important. Most crucially they give us a bunch of the latest generation Sidewinder missiles, which is the only reason the Argentine airforce didn't sink the entire fleet, instead of just some of it.
If you want to shit on anyone for not helping us during the war start with the fucking frogs, who had to be bullied out of helping the Argies (and who continued to do so anyway), or the fucking Israelis who were proactively helping the Argies because their PM was still assblasted about us clamping down on him and his terrorist buddies during the Mandate.
 
American Healthcare is considered poor because it's ridiculously unequal, with some of the best healthcare imaginable (that's unbelievably expensive) and at the same time large swathes of atrocious care. At the same time, we pay exorbitant amounts of public money for two highly inefficient systems, Medicare and Medicaid, which when I last checked, account for 45% of the federal budget (while total defense spending is around 20). Medicaid is especially horrific, as most normal doctors don't accept it, and many Medicaid patients end up going to the ER, which inflates prices. The biggest failure of our system is that it's essentially a battleground between competing interest groups, with the APA and big pharma pushing for the newest treatments (and higher expenditures) versus the insurance companies pushing for reductions in pricing and, failing that, reductions in available benefits.
Yeah Medicaid has problems, but a lot of these problems for the patient are dependent on the Medicaid clinic. One of the biggest problems with Medicaid is that it gives clinics a fixed reimbursement for a single procedure regardless of other factors, unlike private insurance where the clinic or the hospital can dictate the price. Naturally, this cuts off a lot of clinics who would otherwise accept Medicaid patients. This leads to most Medicaid clinics having to cut costs in order to stay afloat, including physician salaries, essentially leaving only 3 types of physicians to work at a Medicaid clinic. The first are people who actually want to work with Medicaid patients/aren't concerned about the salary, physicians that can't get a job anywhere else, or physicians in charge of a residency program. Residents are essentially the US's version of Jr Docs, where they make 1/5-1/4 of a regular physicians salary for 4-6 years depending on the specialty, but are able to practice medicine under the supervision of an attending physician. Those clinics essentially have several physicians for the price of one, and can see much more patients to overcome the fixed reimbursements, while the attending gets a higher salary for helping to educate the residents

Medicaid covers a lot, and if you actually get a good doctor you can actually much more procedures and tests done than you would under private insurance. I have a relative who runs a residency program at a mixed Medicaid/private insurance clinic, and is able to essentially test for everything on Medicaid patients, but is forced to make do with less tests on private insurance patients because the insurance company will want justifications for tests. These tests may be for specific conditions or may appear to be of limited benefit and they won't reimburse the clinic without a good reason for these tests. The problem, is that most Medicaid clinics are run by the second group of physicians, who typically do the bare minimum, or are incompetent at worst, so they end up missing a lot of conditions that results in the patient ending up in the ER. There are also referral schemes, where a doc will refer a patient to his buddy the specialist, so he can make money off of what is a minor condition that probably didn't need a referral in the first place.

Costs for medication is another major problem. There have been a lot of new treatments that have come out in the past decade or so that are extremely effective in treating complicated conditions. Monoclonal antibodies, for example, for diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, or several new antivirals that turned Hepatitis C from a chronic lifetime condition to one that's curable with a 12 week prescription. The issue is that the costs for these medications are astronomical for a lot of reasons. One of the biggest is the cost of development. It can cost somewhere between 1 and 2 billion dollars and 10-15 years to bring a new medication to market mostly due to the extensive testing and research required to make sure it is safe to use on humans. At any point during this process, the research can be shut down if the drug is unsafe causing a massive investment loss. It also doesn't help that a lot of medication developments are funded through public research grants to universities and are picked up by pharmaceutical companies for a lot cheaper than the cost of development. I think the best option at this point is to allow patients to import their medications from other countries, hopefully forcing the costs of medications down, but Trump's EO on that got overturned by Biden, so who knows how this is going to turn out.
 
Had my second round of surgery and shouldn't need any more. I'm not dead, though I live in Bongland which is similar but with worse food.

Also added a poll to see what you want me to sperg about next.
It's got to be the Beeb next. They are one half of the reason why worshipping the NHS is the new state religion.
 
OK looks like the Beeb is winning so far but I'll leave the poll open for a bit because this operation kicked my ass a lot more than the last one. Came round from the gas in the worst pain of my life, turns out the bit the needed to remove had been so badly inflamed for so long (thanks to the glorious NHS ignoring it for four years) it had adhered to everything around it and they had to wrench it out pretty hard.

But this is a private hospital, so when I started screaming and thrashing about they gave me Fentanyl rather than Amitryptiline (the antidepressant they gave my mum when they misdiagnosed her terminal blood cancer as "fibromyalgia" ) so whilst I am not currently in any pain I am currently suffering from a pronounced inability to Sneed.

Researching the Beeb article will also take a while. They're a sneaky bunch who alter articles all the time without owning up to it (even fucking Vice leave a note if they edit an article after publication) and present entirely different versions of articles depending on your IP address, so they're really hard to pin down.
 
Since it hasn't been covered already, I'll do a post about:

The London Underground

The London Underground, often simply called the Tube, is Greater London's rapid transit system, essentially our answer to something like the New York Subway (or rather their answer to the Tube since the first Tube line opened in 1863 and the first NY Subway line opened in 1870. Get fucked yanks).

The Tube consists of a series of tubes 11 lines, with 270 stations and serves about 5 million people a day. While that might seem like a lot, the Tube's only the 12th busiest metro in the world, trailing China, Japan, Russia, South Korea, the US, Mexico and France. Although considering the UK's smaller than most of those countries, it's more of an achievement than it may seem at first blush.

As alluded to above, the Tube's been in operation in various forms since the mid-19th century and several aspects of it, like the Underground logo, Tube cars and the map have become an iconic part of British culture. During the First and Second World Wars, Tube stations were used as bomb shelters during air raids, and Doctor Who fans from around the world will probably recognise it from the classic story The Web of Fear where Yeti invade the tunnels (no, really).

The Tube map itself is a pretty ingenious piece of design. Unlike New York, which was built on a grid system, London's layout is a lot more chaotic, but the Tube map makes it surprisingly easy to navigate because (to steal an observation from Bill Bryson) the designer realised that when you're underground you have no sense of your bearings, so the map is constructed as a simple layout of stations that bears no relation to above ground geography. Here's the tube map:

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And here's a geographically accurate one:

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Yikes.

Although this does create the problem of not giving passengers a proper sense of distance meaning they can often waste time taking the Tube when it would be much faster to walk.

Beyond that, the Tube has the same problems every other underground system has - it's filthy, smelly, infested with hobos and buskers and the trains and platforms can get hideously overcrowded during rush hour. More recently we've had to reckon with Extinction Rebellion protestors gluing themselves to train cars and leaving commuters disappointed and frustrated that the train car didn't just drive off with them still attached.

What sets the Tube apart in unpleasantness though is undoubtedly the heat.

Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't rain all the time in Britbongistan, and particularly in the South, where London is, we can have some nasty heatwaves. During the summer, temperatures on the deep Tube lines (i.e. most of them) easily rises above 30 degrees Celsius, and have been known to get as high as 47. It's now become a famous adage that this is above the legal limit for transporting livestock, and for once that isn't just sensationalism - it's actually true. On a summer day, taking the escalator down into a tube station can feel very much like descending into the pits of Tartarus.

This wasn't always the case - in the early days of the Tube, it was advertised as a place to keep cool. The trouble is, the tunnels are surrounded by clay and over the years this has formed a heat sink. The clay temperature was originally around 14 degrees Celsius, but this has now risen to a base temperature of about 19-26 degrees Celsius.

You may ask: "Why don't you get air conditioning installed?" Well, some of the above ground lines like the Metropolitan and District Line do in fact have air conditioning. But for the deep Tube lines this is more of a problem - the train cars are too small to carry a proper air conditioning system and because of the size of the tunnels, replacing them with larger ones isn't an option. That doesn't change the fact that the problem's gotten so bad that installing a giant ice cube in the train cars is under serious consideration.

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As for the individual Tube lines themselves, if I went into detail about every single one of them, this post would be far too long, so I'll restrict myself to the ones I have some experience of:

The Central Line

The Central Line is the busiest Tube line in London, as most of the popular stops for commuters are on it, and while it's fast and there's a train every minute, it's also horribly overcrowded. The heat problem I mentioned is probably worst on this line and there was one summer where I had to get it to work every day. I suffer from hyperthyroidism which, among others things, means I don't do well in heat. Whenever the temperature gets above 15 degrees Celsius, I usually start sweating uncontrollably, so after being packed like a sardine into a metal tube with temperatures into the forties, I'd show up to work looking like I'd jumped in the Thames. Yesterday, I took the missus into Central London for lunch. We wanted to take the Metropolitan line, which has air conditioning, but it wasn't operating because most of the staff are self-isolating due to Covid. Instead, we were forced to take the Central Line, and on the way back, the heat got so bad she vomited. I'd say avoid this line if you possibly can, but convenience makes fools of us all.

The Bakerloo Line

The Bakerloo Line isn't the oldest line on the Tube by a long shot (it's actually the fourth newest) but it feels like the oldest because the train cars haven't been upgraded since 1972. The fact the line's colour is brown and has the word Loo in the title is rather appropriate because it's essentially just one long shitstain spanning across London. It's the dirtiest, ricketiest and smelliest line I've ever been on. The only cool thing about it is the Baker Street station which has tributes to Sherlock Holmes all over the walls, but that's just one stop out of 25.

The Waterloo and City Line

Affectionately known as the Drain, this line only has one stop on it, and is responsible for carrying commuters (usually bankers and the like) straight from Waterloo train station to Bank, London's imaginatively named financial district. I've never actually used this one myself, but the queue for it was always so huge I wondered why the people using it didn't just walk - the journey only covers about a mile and a half and walking that or getting a taxi would surely be faster.

Docklands Light Railway

This isn't really a Tube line, but I'll include it here as an honourable mention since it's on the Tube map. Not much to say about this one - it's a magical sky train with no driver. What's not to like?

Having been on Subway systems in quite a few countries, I can comfortably say the Tube does not compare well, so in conclusion, it's yet another thing we can add to the list of things Brits do terribly.

If this post is too TL;DR for you, Adam Kay sums it up pretty well:

 
Spunt, this is fantastic, I have laughed thoroughly, the ability to condense the NI issue to 1 Kiwi post is just pure talent. I wish you a speedy recovery.

On the Catholic and Protestant issue...

regarding NI, when you go there, it is useful to note places have 2 names, that would be the Catholic one and the Protestant one. Some even have 3. Londonderry (P), Derry and/or Free Derry (C), Free Derry also relates to the Catholic residents part of Derry which is in NI, never ever find yourself here. And yes, the people that know the difference will immediately judge you on which you use. British accent? errrr..... try visiting Belfast instead.

Another thing they use which I dont know has any basis in truth is that is by surname, Mc = Catholic (Irish), Mac - Protestant (Scottish). Still, these arent people who probably want a good natter about this stuff. Moving on to Scotland.

in Glasgow, there are 2 main football teams, Celtic (C) and Rangers, (P), Celtic wear green and Rangers wear blue. This is to be noted if you are in Glasgow. However, dont want to beaten and instead really want to be called a faggot? Then support Partick Thistle - the non sectarian club, which will have Rangers and Celtic fans mocking you alike.

On the subject of colour, there are many football teams in the EFL. Many cities have at least two, traditionally, the red team was the catholic team and the blue team was the protestant team. This is not really relevant till you are in Manchester and Liverpool. It doesnt run true now but it is part of history.

if you are thinking, good grief, when does the issue of whether Daddy Pope or Mummy Queen is the bestest end

You cannot be catholic and be in the Royal Family, Autumn Philips converted straight away after it was decided marriage was on the cards. For those not a fan of Royal family or Megan, they had blacks into the Royal Family before Catholics. The Queen is noted as "Defender of the Faith" it is part of QE full title, this is inscribed in our coins.

There has been to date no Catholic Prime Ministers, Tony Blair had to keep his papal swticheroo hidden till much after stepping down. Ian Duncan Smith, whilst Catholic and the rival PM, this was in the Tony Blair years so he had as much chance of becoming PM as the BBC is of impartiality.

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Dungeness: Europe's largest shingle area. Home of the UKs largest variety of flora and fauna. It has a nuclear power station on the beach there which is still active. Also there is the grave to two Polish spitfire pilots (since Spunt shows interest on this subject) who lost their lives. There is also some war architecture called the concrete ears which are quite interesting.

Bristol: Major drug import site, the M4 corridor is lined with Heroin they say. The M4 is the main road between Bristol and London.

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Immigration:
I would agree that largely the issue is about the quality of the people coming over, we moved away from the top tiers and now anyone can come and is welcome, which means, that even the Polish are getting a bad name now along with everyone else. I worked in a high European workforce (90% up) of mainly Polish, Lithuanian, Albanians, Romanians and Bulgarians. Slave labour absolutely exists and is prevalent. I would argue that long gone are the days of usual crime and extortion, human trafficking is where it is at now.

Also, I found myself bemused at colleagues asking HR "How many sick days do I have left to take?" UK's companies often allow you up to 10 days sick full pay over a year.

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Food:
I am going to have to disagree with KFs on this but I still like you anyway. The food isnt bad, in fact a lot of it is good, but no one can cook. That is the problem imo. If you think about good food, often it is made by people who have a culture and tradition of home cooking all the time, Italians, Iranians, Bangladeshi's - their families cook non stop and learn how to do it and commit to the process. The English on the whole, are enamoured by the words "Best cooked in Microwave".

Cheddar cheese, tbh most UK cheese, the cheese is good. Melton Mowbray pies, Fish and Chips, Eton Mess, Custard, Banoffee pie, Beef Wellington, Quiche, Cottage pie, etc all great, but finding one well cooked.... good luck.

on the matter of food, I would tell anyone to stick to curries, fish and chips and kebabs. You have to go out your way for it to be bad or be very unlucky.
 
Beyond that, the Tube has the same problems every other underground system has - it's filthy, smelly, infested with hobos and buskers and the trains and platforms can get hideously overcrowded during rush hour. More recently we've had to reckon with Extinction Rebellion protestors gluing themselves to train cars and leaving commuters disappointed and frustrated that the train car didn't just drive off with them still attached.
Literally gluing themselves to train cars? What are they hoping to achieve by doing that?

in Glasgow, there are 2 main football teams, Celtic (C) and Rangers, (P), Celtic wear green and Rangers wear blue. This is to be noted if you are in Glasgow. However, dont want to beaten and instead really want to be called a faggot? Then support Partick Thistle - the non sectarian club, which will have Rangers and Celtic fans mocking you alike.
So these teams will actually screen people for their religious beliefs before recruiting them? Are there no anti-discrimination laws against that sort of thing, or does everyone just look the other way? In the US, and I imagine in most first-world countries, that sort of thing would be illegal as fuck.
 
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