Stable Diffusion, NovelAI, Machine Learning Art - AI art generation discussion and image dump

[doodoocaca]

Something like this would be unheard of just 10 years ago, so I wouldn't be so hard set on a developing technology's limitations. You can shrug it off now but in another 10 years we'll probably have art that's 99% indistinguishable from real human art, maybe even AI writing too.

You ever notice how we're always x years away from Fusion?

 

[Glowing Goldfish]

So I think for now, a good amount of artists indie artists will be fine. Give it 5-10 years though and things will be different

Something like this would be unheard of just 10 years ago, so I wouldn't be so hard set on a developing technology's limitations. You can shrug it off now but in another 10 years we'll probably have art that's 99% indistinguishable from real human art, maybe even AI writing too.

I don't think an AI (from this era, doomer thoughts still contiune)

See? This is what i meant.

 

[LiquidKid]

I mentioned it before, but here are some pixel art attempts I did. Some came closer than others.

Spoiler: Pixel art

Side note, wtf is up with the hamburger thing? Is this some meme I don’t get? Nearly every time I ask a friend for a prompt the always say “eating a hamburger” and it always gets annoying, especially since the AI does not do eating well.

 

[Cubanodun]

The great tragedy of AI art is that we are going to lose Artcows, so sad

 

[Foxxo]

So the tool giantess fetishists are using to create their own softcore porn got an update?



Twitter is split between the fetishists and the artists on this tool; the fetishists want romantic-era nut material, while the artists want attention.

 

[maguyver16]

The great tragedy of AI art is that we are going to lose Artcows, so sad

Can ai replicate autism?

Now that I think of it, Chris was actually on to something about "hand-made art"

 

[NoReturn]

Is there a good name for things like this, recognizable as the source image, until looked at up close? A couple were thrown around, but never hear any good ones stick.
Also I did make these ones a while ago in SD 1.4. The key is to adjust noise in img2img until sometimes you get a good result, and other times you don't. Also PFP made in DALL-E
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And another of that same source.
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[Manul Otocolobus]

My friend, don't despair. None of this AI art stuff is going to matter after the bombs drop and we're all blasted back to pre-industrial society. People like me who push buttons for a living will have to adapt or die quickly, but people like you who can work a trade with physical matter will flourish… after we re-attain some level of sustainable food production, anyway. Your future is as bright as an atomic explosion.

My TEMPEST Compact Mac from 1991 will work after the bomb is dropped, assuming it isn't near the hypocenter. It helps sometimes to have relatives that glow so bright they could be seen from space.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

...is there a model trained on medieval art?

 

[g55c]

...is there a model trained on medieval art?

Stable Diffusion 1.4 itself can handle most normal artwork.

 

[attractive_pneumonia]

Artists who are put in danger by AI-generated art:
Anybody who exclusively makes "stock image" art or vague high-level concept art.

Artists who are NOT put in danger by AI-generated art:
Anybody who makes specific artwork and direct requests from clients (i.e., most artists)

Not to power level, but I work as an artist and I've been examining this stuff for a while now to see what it will do to my job. The result I've landed on is "not much", and it has actually already made my job easier. If somebody needed a generic "spooky forest" for a backdrop in a slide presentation, they no longer need to hire an artist for that. However, if they need art of a specific character doing a specific thing (like for video game or movie concept art) they absolutely still need a real life artist for that. Long story short: If a google image search or stock image can satisfy your need for art, AI generation can handle it.

I've tried for hours to recreate existing characters via AI, and while the results are fun, I can never quite get what I want. It's essentially a fan art generator in that regard. All this could change in ten years when things improve and image repositories get larger, but for now I don't feel threatened as an artist yet.

My current avatar is a good example of work that would never have been done by an artist. Its a simple avatar made in SD specifically for Halloween and will be discarded a week or two into November. Its nice, its vague and something I never would have paid for.

I think professional artist will have no problems adapting to this machine art era, its the people at the bottom of the totem pole that will be crushed out. I'll use the Pathfinder series as an example:


The Pathfinder RPG games use portraits like this to represent its characters, same with older games such as Pillars of Eternity, Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate. The main characters, villains and some of the main storyline NPC will have well made portraits. But when we start getting to side characters that have maybe one or two bits of dialogue like a vendor, the portrait window is empty. What I expect will occur in the future is that professional artist will create a style model for art in these RPG video games and the model will be mass producing various iterations which first have a manual selection done of maybe 1000 or so portraits out of large batches, which are already in the look and feel of the game, and do touch up work on things like the clothing, hands and maybe facial positioning. In this regard it would probably reduce and increase work as expectations rise, no more will empty portrait panes be tolerated and the artist will be hustling to touch up hundreds of one-off AI created character portraits.

Those whom are already established will probably end up with more work as they copyright models for use and get commissioned to touch up work, people will almost certainly become more familiar with specific artist and likely consumption will increase. Its the people on the lower end that will get crushed out, creating a feast and famine condition because the bar set by this AI driven art is already pretty high and the gap in skill between child scribbling with crayons and high end art work on a professional level is huge. I fear this will have an enfeebling effect over the course of a decade as new artist just don't see any point in honing skills to a professional grade.

 

[Tree]

unless we EMP the whole planet

Good suggestion.

Or destroying every hard drive that has the source code to it and line up everyone who ever used it against a wall.

Also an acceptable solution.

I'll say my doomsday prediction - Every world government will treat owning such an AI development tool as the same as having illegal pornographic material with the same penalty and social stigma, this will be pushed hard by every media source who will see the ability of people to bypass the monetary wall as a massive threat, as well as propaganda nullification tool.
Academic research into the field will effectively be stopped and all the potential will be wasted since god forbid people will be able to make their own Star Wars cartoon without fiving Disney money.

You're retarded; money is faker and gayer by the day. Nobody will care so long as the general public (particularly groups who have the natural ability to form civil society with minimal oversight) can be kept sedated and disabused from taking their collective destiny into their own hands. All the current power cares about is ensuring this does not threaten their control, and they will readily use it to further secure it. Increasingly they actively ensure profits and security for companies that would otherwise suffer and lobby against their dictates. There is no monetary wall, and their propaganda is already ubiquitous and unavoidable, as your beliefs are proof of. They will embrace this as they have embraced everything else that destroys man.

 

[Null]

...is there a model trained on medieval art?

you don't need specific models for most styles. I've noticed that themes like knights and warriors have ludicrously good results.

 

[Telemeter]

My current avatar is a good example of work that would never have been done by an artist. Its a simple avatar made in SD specifically for Halloween and will be discarded a week or two into November. Its nice, its vague and something I never would have paid for.

I think professional artist will have no problems adapting to this machine art era, its the people at the bottom of the totem pole that will be crushed out. I'll use the Pathfinder series as an example:
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The Pathfinder RPG games use portraits like this to represent its characters, same with older games such as Pillars of Eternity, Icewind Dale and Baldur's Gate. The main characters, villains and some of the main storyline NPC will have well made portraits. But when we start getting to side characters that have maybe one or two bits of dialogue like a vendor, the portrait window is empty. What I expect will occur in the future is that professional artist will create a style model for art in these RPG video games and the model will be mass producing various iterations which first have a manual selection done of maybe 1000 or so portraits out of large batches, which are already in the look and feel of the game, and do touch up work on things like the clothing, hands and maybe facial positioning. In this regard it would probably reduce and increase work as expectations rise, no more will empty portrait panes be tolerated and the artist will be hustling to touch up hundreds of one-off AI created character portraits.

Those whom are already established will probably end up with more work as they copyright models for use and get commissioned to touch up work, people will almost certainly become more familiar with specific artist and likely consumption will increase. Its the people on the lower end that will get crushed out, creating a feast and famine condition because the bar set by this AI driven art is already pretty high and the gap in skill between child scribbling with crayons and high end art work on a professional level is huge. I fear this will have an enfeebling effect over the course of a decade as new artist just don't see any point in honing skills to a professional grade.

Why do you hate tumblrinas?

 

[Fomo Hoire]

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I love him Please please pleaaaaaase let this be our next mandatory April Fool's avatar

I remember a couple of years ago having read an article on top 10 jobs not being replaced by AI. The top job not being replaced was "artists".

Welp.

Where do artists sell their services? Something like fiverr but I imagine there's something more specialized? I'd like to watch the ecosystem burn. Maybe Patreon?

Ai has poor understanding of three-dimensional space around characters that create awkward scenes and poses. Experienced artists are able to tell which are ai and which are human, but some ai work is bewilderingly good.

I've heard people say similar about women. I wonder if there will be screeches of the AI being misogynist for disproportionately replacing women, or if they sidestep that because of the implications of such a complaint.

Is there a good name for things like this, recognizable as the source image, until looked at up close?

I don't know of one, but that sounds like a good start to an ARG. Too bad the consensus seems to be the tech is too dumb for an ARG scale project...

I mean lets be real, when computer graphic design went mainstream I am certain artists in the traditional sense freaked out.

Hell just industrialization in general.

Yes, I understand that industrialization produces useable items instead of art. But the way YouTube is shilling traditional cultural production of paper and cloth at me, you'd think they're art too. Really the only difference between the two is the prestige.

 

[Jewthulhu]

Holy fucking shit is that a bushman?

Now I can see an AI's weakness. G U N S

Has anyone tried to get it to generate an image of a gun alone?

AI will realize consciousness once it starts truly realizing it's own faults and shortcomings, even if it does so subconsciously. Part of the human condition is being despite oneself, and (as far as we know), AI is not self aware enough to be "naked and ashamed".

Ironically enough that would make it less useful.

Different debate for a different thread, I guess; but I think you're anthropomorphizing a simple pattern matching/replication algorithm a bit too much

I mentioned it before, but here are some pixel art attempts I did. Some came closer than others.

Spoiler: Pixel art

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Side note, wtf is up with the hamburger thing? Is this some meme I don’t get? Nearly every time I ask a friend for a prompt the always say “eating a hamburger” and it always gets annoying, especially since the AI does not do eating well.

Honestly makes me appreciate good pixel art more.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

I doubt my piece of shit computer could handle something like this, but it could be fun to generate my own trash waifus instead of relying on artists not drawing porn.

 

[doodoocaca]

We got cold or any other kind of (energy positive, shut up about Farnsworth fusors) fusion yet?

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[Freezard]

Being somebody artistically inclined, I can't say I'm very happy about all this, and I don't even make money off of my stuff. I can understand why professional artists are apoplectic. On one hand, it's impressive technology, and autistically screeching at it like a luddite doesn't help anybody, and doesn't end up slowing things down any , but on the other, I have concerns that are not exactly easy to see in the short term.

See, technological revelations in the past always had their opponents just because of the way new technology spurs a process called Creative Destruction- there's always going to be somebody with something to lose because of the nature of specialization caused by the division of labor. An automatic screw-making machine wouldn't hurt a generalist blacksmith much, but it would screw over the humble screwsmith, for example. Some historical cases include when the Moveable Type Printing Press began to spread through Europe, Ottoman sultans took measures to prevent its spread, banning printing in Arabic, and the first printing press in Ottoman lands only came around in 1727, and its operation was so strictly monitored. Ibrahim Muteferrika, the enterprising owner and operator of the press, only managed to print seventeen books between 1729 and 1743, and only another seven until the family gave up the business in 1797. It took until the later part of the 19th century for Ottomans Empire to move forward on this- until then the majority of book production was performed by scribes hand-copying them. Of course, this kept the scribes employed- but also, the people more concerned about the dissemination of knowledge were Islamic Scholars- they were the ones most closely monitoring what could and could not be printed, given its potential. They were no idiots who had no understanding of what they restricted. They knew exactly why and how to disrupt what could prove to be a terrible blow to their societal position. Control of knowledge and skill is extremely powerful. Subversion of a skillset is similarly threatening.

To include a more western example, in 1571 during the reign of Queen Elizabeth, the English parliament issued "An Act for the Continuance of the Making of Caps"

that every person above the age of six years (excepting "Maids, ladies, gentlewomen, noble personages, and every Lord, knight and gentleman of twenty marks land") residing in any of the cities, towns, villages or hamlets of England, must wear, on Sundays and holidays (except when travelling), "a cap of wool, thicked and dressed in England, made within this realm, and only dressed and finished by some of the trade of cappers, upon pain to forfeit for every day of not wearing 3s. 4d.

Said caps are known as Monmouth Caps- and they were not just ordinary woolen caps, despite their unassuming, penis-like appearance.

You see, it is an unassuming workman's cap, vital for laborers, soldiers, and sailors...made in England. The prior Cappers Act of 1488 forbid the wearing of foreign-made caps in England and Wales. Combined with a requirement for everybody to own a cap, it doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here.
Not long after, a man called William Lee, returning in 1583 from education at the University of Cambridge to become a priest in Calverton, noticed something. Making a lot of caps required a shit ton of hand-knitting, a laborious process to make dozens of caps with. As an educated man, when he saw his mother and sisters up all evening knitting, he began to think- as he wrote,

"If garments were made by two needles and one line of thread, why not several needles to take up the thread?"

Six years later the "stocking frame" knitting machine was ready. William Lee traveled to London with his new machine, excited to gain an audience with the Queen with what he thought was surely a magnificent invention. However, when Parliament arranged the meeting...he didn't get what he expected. The Queen observed to him-

"Though aimest high, Master Lee. Consider thou what the invention could do to my poor subjects. It would assuredly bring them to ruin by depriving them of employment, thus making them beggars."

Devastating news, as he was refused a patent- and thus the chance to gain from invention. Lee was not deterred yet. He went to France to try and find interest there, but was similarly unable. France, for those with knowledge of a little history, was not more forward thinking than Bongland, especially then. He returned to England later to try and convince King James I, Elizabeth's successor...who refused as well. Needless to say, it wasn't because the royalty thought the machine was crafted by Satan, though not to produce satin. They were very concerned that displacing a quantity of workers such as weavers and knitters would cause unacceptable political upheaval.

Now we don't produce caps on a large scale using hand knitting anymore, so something did eventually happen. The source of the term "Luddites" were artisans who feared being displaced and economically ruined, and thus protested and rioted over the mechanization of processes such as weaving. They were unsuccessful, as artisans do not hold political power like monarchs do, and were unable to stop the process of industrialization.

Similar cases crop up later during the Industrial Revolution- by countries who famously lagged behind and failed to progress. Industrialization drew people to cities and away from noble estates. Austria-Hungary never fully mechanized textile weaving, even by the first world war. Obviously, refusing to move forward out of fear of being displaced only causes you to be weaker than those unafraid of the change brought about by creative destruction- so no forward thinking sort would advocate for that.

So that's the benefit. Maybe you're wondering now why I could be against the rapid progress being made here. Well, for one, I'd very much like to make my passion a means of gain and not have to distract myself with doing other work. Welcome to the human condition, artoids. The other thing is more abstract, and more pertinent rather than just whining. Recently I've been seeing a lot of doomsaying- a lot of discouragement amongst artists. Users of algorithm art programs often care very, very, very little about the intellectual property of artists. A tweet went around recently of somebody screencapping an artist's stream and putting it through an algorithm to "finish" it before they could. I very much doubt the work most AI is trained on was given over willingly by the artists who made said work. "What's the point?" many ask. Well, on an individual level, we do not make art solely for profit. We make it to express ourselves and improve ourselves. AI Art is no individual expression, it's a program drawing upon many, many human experiences and expressions and presenting it given a prompt. To say it's soulless is a bit a mischaracterization- given that it would not exist without the work of many artists.

However, the idea of "why bother if somebody can hit a button and do far better than I can now, and equivalent to what I need to work for years to even begin to replicate" is a Creative Poison that I don't think any programmer types working on these actually respect, and I doubt they bother to ponder it too deeply. After all, artists are bunch of entitled, moody, uppity pricks. Who cares what they think? Creating anything gives a reward of pride, but more importantly, a reward of money, to be able to earn one's bread, is incredibly motivating. When creation is no longer profitable...why create? It becomes solely an endeavor of pride. We see a disincentive to creativity, and lacking incentives to do something is how you bring about death.

To put it shortly, I have a great concern that this is the start of a process that will lead to the death of the human will. AI doesn't actually make anything new- it must draw on human achievement to create, and I do think that humanity will do what it has always done and merely change, perhaps things will even get better than they were before without the limitations that were unthinkable to be rid of before, but I think it's worth considering that a severe wounding of the human drive to create might have disastrous consequences on our motivations to advance. "Why Bother?" Then, we became unmotivated to do anything, and shrink and recoil in lack of purpose until extinction, though the death of the soul and mind will long proceed the death of the body.

That probably won't happen. I just think it's best to keep a worst case scenario in mind.

As said before, artists don't exactly have large amounts of political sway, but it's not like artists will go away either. I don't even think they'll reduce in quantity. The ideas and execution are the merit behind whatever comes out of hitting a button or painting with a brush, after all. Blockbuster died when Netflix rose and hopefully somebody slaughters Netflix soon because good fucking Lord. Artists just need to adapt- times were incredibly easy for artists recently, and now, they might not be anymore. Oh well. Nothing to fear from them.

After all.

No artist has ever been responsible for vast political upheaval in rejection of the direction of society...right?

Spoiler

 

[NoReturn]

"Kiwi Farms" in Greek art style using a NON-curated model.

The same prompt using one focused on pretty girls